------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 277 Today's Topics: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Messag [ admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail ] DIE! DIE! DIE! [ Kim Flint ] Re: DIE! DIE! DIE! [ Tom Bickley ] Re: Re: PMC-10 [ Marzzz ] FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) [ Jonathan Brainin ] Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One [ Leonardo Cavallo ] Re: Re: PMC-10 [ "future perfect" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:34:27 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00035 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:31:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27792 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:32:29 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaFk-0002V2-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:37 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675037@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"kEcKrD.A.cCC.qDHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:34 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00026 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:30:12 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27572 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:28:38 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaC1-000282-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: <19971221012455.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-Ip: [209.17.137.83] From: "Gambaude Palliard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Rich/Amoeba Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:24:54 PST Resent-Message-Id: <"wb1Ci.A.uwB.jAHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Hi all, Robert Rich's name doesn't seem to come up very often on this list, however many must be familiar with his solo or collaborative works (with Steve Roach and others) and know that his music is very loop-based (a spring 97 issue of Keyboard, I believe, had a little feature on him, & mentioned use of several Jamdudes). I have a copy of his 1997 cd Watchful for sale. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested. Some info on the cd follows. happy looping, Gam On Watchful, Amoeba presents a cinematic 48-minute document of corrupted memories, recurring dreams, and personal crises in extreme close-up. Watchful is a strange trip along a very twisted path. The tracks: Inside It's a big world out there, and you're keeping a copy of it in your head FYI. Opening with simple hand drum and guitar, Inside explodes into a panorama of swirling guitars and Djimbes. Skin Where do you end and the rest of the world begin? Rich dwells psychotic over the "fragile line between blood and air." Hans Christian's cello adds a smooth and unsettling film over Davies' guitar pulse. Out there. Origami Instrumental featuring Davies on slow-motion guitar and Rich on alien woodwinds. Can't Find My Feet (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) The wind blows so hard that a simple walk up the block ignites an identity crisis. Stark voices by Ivy Barry set against on Rich's wind-blown vocals sends a shiver down your spine. Guitars and cellos swarm, rinse, and hang dry. Ignoring Gravity Is lucid dreaming the favorite pasttime of the collective unconscious majority? Dunno, but courtesy of Rich, this vessel is more than just a nice place to visit. Don Swanson (of L.A. art-rock ensemble The Telling) brings the snare and cymbals. Water Vapor The blue sky has become a pool reflecting the ceiling of a cold, damp cave. Rich supplies a courteous warning on lap steel. Desolation W.S. Burroughs once said "Thou shalt not be such a shit you don't even know you are one." Rich's vocals and Davies' guitars take it personally, and lacerate in unison. A new all-time low. Big Clouds Squelching voices dance and play as the storm subsides amid bursts of drums and blasts from within the pan pipes. Saragossa (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) Inspired by, among other things, the film, The Saragossa Manuscript. Pull on a single strand and the whole damn sweater unravels. Any Other Sky Catatonia in Catalunia. One minute you're on the east coast, the next on the west. You wake up to discover your address book has been out of date for 20 years. Splendid rhythms from Davies and Swanson and sax pedal tones from Scott Wright tune your head to receive Rich's mantra: "Doesn't matter." Watchful The titles role at the end of a 45-minute movie. Overhead power lines rattle. Piano and guitar discuss. Rumbling bass concurs now and then. Assume crash positions. "I've seen the future, and it is slow." - A.Harris, San Francisco 1990 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:14:31 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DIE! DIE! DIE! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" wow, really sorry about that! Damn glad I checked my mail when I did, or it would have gotten really scary..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Bickley To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DIE! DIE! DIE! Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, looping works better as auditory rather than conceptual net art. Thanks for saving us, Kim! -Tom On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > wow, really sorry about that! Damn glad I checked my mail when I did, or it > would have gotten really scary..... > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > * disciplined reading * * haiku structures perception * tbickley@artswire.org * disciplined writing * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:19:26 EST From: Marzzz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-ID: <2b229476.349c8ac0@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/97 8:25:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > I think >if someone were to make put out another midi pedal now, it would either be >something cheap and straightforward to compete with the DMC ground control, >or something more expensive and powerful to compete with the AllAccess. Wow, I guess I really started something here with my innocent question! I was basically just looking for a midi pedal so that I don't have to also get the Echoplex pedal, but it looks like the Echoplex pedal may be more cost efficient. I was planning on checking out a Ground Control to handle the TriAxis and the TC Electronics efx (as well as the Echoplex, but it looks like no go) and hoping I wouldn't be surrounding myself with pedals. Speaking of the Echoplex, a call to Thoroughbred Music gave me the info that they won't have Plexes available for about 6-7 weeks, as I would have figured from what was posted here previously. Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:21:48 -0500 From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-ID: <01BD0DA6.6E6CD3C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday, December 20, 1997 6:56 PM, Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] wrote: > Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a > built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 > charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. > >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x > >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an > >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for > >me because it is a desk/table > >top controller. > > if you've got loops going, your hands should be free some of the time, right? > > >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over > >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways > >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various > >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the > >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of > >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. > > Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about > getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my > feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. Right now, Manny's can special-order a new PC1600x for under $300. Or they have the previous model, the PC1600, in stock for ~$280. (You can buy an OS upgrade for the PC1600 to bring it current with the PC1600x.) Go to the Peavey web site to check out the feature list on this pup. It's way, way powerful. (I'll be getting a PC1600x next month.) Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:03:06 -0700 From: Scott Archambault To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC-200 Message-ID: <349CB11A.58A7@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a > built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 > charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. Wow. Where can you can get a FC-200 at that price? I just paid $320 for mine today (the only one they had sealed in a box) at Guitar Center. And that was after the asshole salesman tried to sell me one without batteries (it comes with six AA batteries as a power source) and one without a manual as "new." I don't know why I keep shopping there... But anyways... The FC-200's seem to be getting harder and harder to come by... buy yours now! It's a great resource. Scott Archambault metaphor@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, How about ART's X-15 Ultrafoot. I used one for years and it worked pretty well. They have one used at the Ithaca Guitar works in Ithaca NY.I think they're on the web. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:28:06 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Time and accuracy Message-ID: <19971221092803671.AAB62@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi About accuracy for loop time, lately I'm creating my loops to a midi clock from a cheap drum machine. The drumachine is synced slave to my jamman and the only output of the click goes to my earphone. No sound out from the speakers, only the loop of my lines. I wear a mono earphone at low volume to have the chance to perfectly hear the music. My loops are incredibly better since I've been using this method. To begin, Just sing mentally the phrase you're going to play starting and stopping the rec/tap function at the desired points. Don't play until the synced click start in your ears! Then you have a perfect time reference for more rythimc things, pulsing at the time you choose singing your part previously. I think this could be a good method for live solo looping performance or for syncing other instruments too. Think that drummers play to a click since stone age. Why not us loopers? But if you wanna be free live you could use just as a practice method. ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:28:04 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One Message-ID: <19971221092803671.AAA62@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 18.01 19/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Gentle Readers- > >As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, >the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the >recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville >plant. Hi Tom I'd like to see as soon as possible one of yours informative post titled "How To Buy an Echoplex in Europe". Am I onlyd dreaming? What's about CE? Could be possible to order the unit from those USA stores, bypassing CE control? thanks leo PS Have the new units still that little thermal problem or it was fixed? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:30:50 -0500 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-ID: <01bd0df3$2011e6a0$7ef1ffd0@future-perfect> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The X 15 only works on one midi channel, making it useless in controlling multiple processors. Also, (and I had one for a few years when I only had one FX unit, and ART SGE that made horrific noises...) the CC pedals had like 10 steps, so it was impossible to send smooth messages. The old ones, like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. Almost as bad as the Plex's beige color. Dave EIchenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Music must be heard for it to become real, and to be born into our world" -Robert Fripp >Hey, > >How about ART's X-15 Ultrafoot. I used one for years and it worked pretty >well. They have one used at the Ithaca Guitar works in Ithaca NY.I think >they're on the web. > >Mark. > > --------------------------------