------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 278 Today's Topics: Christmas question [ Malhomme Olivier ] Re: Re: PMC-10 [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC- [ Dpcoffin ] Re: Re: FC-200 [ Dpcoffin ] RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #26 [ David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Christmas question Message-ID: <349CF941.B40@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For you all I would need a few informations and an advice. I would like to buy a new reverb because the one I already have are too bad (ie: ART SGE mach 2, Midiverb 4, DSP 1287). These reberbs have a too much dinstiguable sound. I'd like a ransparent kind of space processor. I'd like to hear the "size" of the place in thereverb, not the reverb itself. The bad thing is, I don't have much money. I could not go far from about 500 bucks. Magazine tests led me to choose 3 competitors: Lexicon Alex, Lexicon reflex, and Yamaha REV-500. 1) Can you tell me how much these are in the USA (an average STREET PRICE) if one can... 2) Does any one sees reasons why I would choose one over the others (not to mention some new model advice in that line of price. Thanx to everyone in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:21:42 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: replace Message-ID: <349CFBC3.6527@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it me? I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just to replace a part of a loop while it is still running..` Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either.` Maaybe I can't read too, but please I need explanations! Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:35:10 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:DIE.... Message-ID: <349CFEEA.4197@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Never thought we could have real trouble with feedback loops... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:37:15 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Buying in Europe Message-ID: <349CFF67.1C6A@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not buy it in the States, and get it through things like UPS?... That save the CE thingie anyway... Nope? " I'd like to see as soon as possible one of yours informative post titled "How To Buy an Echoplex in Europe". Am I onlyd dreaming? What's about CE? Could be possible to order the unit from those USA stores, bypassing CE control? thanks leo" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:43:23 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC-200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971221124323.25cf3250@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a >>> built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 >>> charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. >>Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get >>over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. >Wow. Where can you can get a FC-200 at that price? I just paid $320 >for mine today (the only one they had sealed in a box) at Guitar >Center. The FC-200's seem to be getting harder and harder to come by... buy >yours now! It's a great resource. Over in the UK there's a few companies bundling FC200's free with GX700's, ie GX700+FC200 for about $500. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:46:52 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replace Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971221124652.0b3f689a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Olivier asked: >Is it me? >I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just >to replace a part of a loop while it is still running.. >Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either. Either you're not, or we both are - it never occured to me either! This is going to completely rewrite my Xmas plans... Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:57:30 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >> >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >> >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >> >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >> >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >> >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. >> >> Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about >> getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my >> feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. > >Right now, Manny's can special-order a new PC1600x for under $300. Or >they have the previous model, the PC1600, in stock for ~$280. (You can buy >an OS upgrade for the PC1600 to bring it current with the PC1600x.) Go to >the Peavey web site to check out the feature list on this pup. It's way, way >powerful. (I'll be getting a PC1600x next month.) > I've had a PC 1600 for about 3 or 4 years now, it's an incredibly handy little piece. Here's a few uses I've found for it: A real-time system exclusive programmer for a Yamaha DX-7 synth, which makes the DX generate some REALLY sick sounds, a million miles beyond the tinkly fake rhodes... A real-time programmer for the LXP 1 and 5. A controller surface for mixing in Deck, Studio Vision, etc. This one I just figured out. I can plug the output of the LFO or Envelope Generators of my modular system into one of the pedal inputs, and convert it to a MIDI controller. Great for syncing effects to the LFO. I paid about $380 for it, and it's been very worth that. I haven't upgraded to the 1600x software yet, but I understand it fixes one of the major problems I've found with the unit: the original 1600 can't calculate system exclusive checksums, which limits it's use as a sys-ex controller to gear that doesn't require checksums. It seems like just about every new synth uses checksums, so this is pretty bothersome. Actually, some of the new Peavey gear is really impressive. I have their SP/SX sampler combo, which is a great sounding, small and cheap sampler, and the SPAF Analog Filter, which was on the market several years before the current rage for anything analog, and sounds excellent. Also, a friend has their (rather expensive) tube pream in his studio, and I'm quite impressed with the sound. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:21:48 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: replace Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:21 AM 12/21/97, Malhomme Olivier wrote: >Is it me? >I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just >to replace a part of a loop while it is still running..` >Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either.` >Maaybe I can't read too, but please I need explanations! >Olivier Malhomme It's the "Punch-In" loop mode, the left side of the selector dial. In this mode, the recording starts as soon as you punch the tap switch (or footswitch). In the other mode, recording starts at the next loop boundary. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:36:12 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:30 AM -0500 12/21/97, future perfect wrote: > The old ones, >like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. >Almost as bad as the Plex's >beige color. Hey, that's classic Oberheim beige! jeez, no repect for tradition..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:37:07 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 4:30 AM -0500 12/21/97, future perfect wrote: >> The old ones, >>like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. >>Almost as bad as the Plex's >>beige color. Hey I have one of these, barely used that I'm willng to part with if anyone is interested. ( The Art X-15 that is.) Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:33:40 EST From: Dpcoffin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-ID: <412555c9.349da756@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sounds like maybe a a pretty outa-site pedal (for studio use anyway) would be an FC-200 controlling a PC 1660x...I don't have either one, of course--Anybody got any sense of how they would work together? My idea is that the Roland could just put some of the faders and buttons from the Peavey on the floor, thereby overcoming any of the limitations of the Roland's implementation... whaddaya think? dpc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:29:05 EST From: Dpcoffin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: FC-200 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Can the FC-200 be set up to send out commands on different MIDI channels, such as: 2 switches send program changes to unit A and two other switches send different commands to unit B? Coolest thing on paper about the 200 seems to be the SIX cv pedal jacks in back... Thanks David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:39 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #260-#280... Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F530A78@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain Good lord! This is the kind of loop from hell that I've always feared! D UNDO -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 8:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #268 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: Jane, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!!!!!! >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:24:47 -0800 From: cdrynan@sequeltech.com (Chris Drynan) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com" Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <01BD0EBB.731CEA70@post34.sequeltech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Remove me from this list!!!1 -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #238 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re[2]: PMC-10 >> << Message: Resetting the Vortex? >> << Message: Re: Jmman sighted >> << Message: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One >> << Message: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One: WAIT >> << Message: rfc-1 midigator >> << Message: Re: PMC-10 >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:24:47 -0800 From: cdrynan@sequeltech.com (Chris Drynan) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com" Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <01BD0EBB.739A30C0@post34.sequeltech.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD0EBB.739A30C0" Remove me from this list!!!1 -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #238 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re[2]: PMC-10 >> << Message: Resetting the Vortex? >> << Message: Re: Jmman sighted >> << Message: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One >> << Message: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One: WAIT >> << Message: rfc-1 midigator >> << Message: Re: PMC-10 >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:38:10 -0500 From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Fw: Lake Butler Mitigator pedal $150 Message-ID: <01BD0ED6.AD295800@jbrainin@interactive.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD0ED6.AD30F920" In case anyone's interested... TriTeck wrote in article <19971222043100.XAA05630@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > Lake Butler Mitigator Pedal - > Good shape, Exp. pedal input,manual included... > as used by Lou Reed & Smashing Pumpkins... > Popular among keyboardists too (i.e.David Rosenthal) > includes pedal, power supply and manual.....only $150.00!!! > > triteck@aol.com 732-870-6801 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:51:03 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Message-Id: <9711228828.AA882823863@mail.amsinc.com> Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ferret by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:48:37 EST Return-Path: Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkBrm-0004d9-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:42:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0ED6.AD295800@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Fw: Lake Butler Mitigator pedal $150 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:38:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 Resent-Message-ID: <"o4xykC.A.SLE.UYqn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:42:10 -0800 Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:noname 1 (????/----) (00022CDE) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:20:11 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Using the Vortex Live Message-ID: <01BD0EDC.6D7DD900@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm finally going to be able to use my Vortex in a live situation on New Year's Eve. Does anyone have any tips on using it with a Top-40 band? Here's my signal flow: Guitar | SansAmp PSA-1 --> Volume Pedal --> Vortex | Marshall 8004 Power Amp | | 12" EV 12" EV The volume pedal and Vortex are in the PSA's effects loop. Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com --------------------------------