------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 279 Today's Topics: Re: Time and accuracy [ Mark Sottilaro ] Question Re: Looping Microphone [ Drumworker ] Re: short delay, black tape [ Randy Jones ] Seasonal Greetings and an Invitation [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Janis Ian, jamwoman [ pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) ] ***Happy Holidays*** [ Theatre of the Mind ] Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) [ Fmplautus ] Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) [ Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time and accuracy Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Leo, Try this, program a whole song of drums into your drum machine and have it play out to the mains as you loop to it. I've been doing live shows with other musicians with this method for a while and it works great. Mark. On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > hi > > About accuracy for loop time, lately I'm creating my loops to a midi clock > from a cheap drum machine. The drumachine is synced slave to my jamman and > the only output of the click goes to my earphone. No sound out from the > speakers, only the loop of my lines. I wear a mono earphone at low volume to > have the chance to perfectly hear the music. My loops are incredibly better > since I've been using this method. > > To begin, Just sing mentally the phrase you're going to play starting and > stopping the rec/tap function at the desired points. Don't play until the > synced click start in your ears! Then you have a perfect time reference for > more rythimc things, pulsing at the time you choose singing your part > previously. > > I think this could be a good method for live solo looping performance or for > syncing other instruments too. Think that drummers play to a click since > stone age. Why not us loopers? > But if you wanna be free live you could use just as a practice method. > > ciao > leo > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, future perfect wrote: > ) the CC pedals had > like 10 steps, so it was impossible to send smooth messages. The old ones, > like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. > Almost as bad as the Plex's > beige color. Ok, let's face it, ART's faux '80s Ocean Pacific/Miami Vice was terrible. And I finally traded my SGX2000 for the Digitech 2112 when I finally realized the there just wasn't any good way to get the ART to sound good. (it did make some pretty kooky sounds, though) However, the CC had 256 steps and was fine for smooth (as smooth as MIDI constant control gets) CC. It was the ART gear itself that did a bad job dealing with the CC messages. I'm also pretty sure that you could set them to send multipal channels by doing some weird set up procedure, but I'm not sure of that. Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works wonders. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:06:05 -0500 From: Joe Miklojcik To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: short delay, black tape Message-ID: <349EC82D.D8D98F00@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just spent several sessions playing into an incredibly short delay (500 ms, 100% feedback). I play synths, not guitars. Obviously, a longer, "playable" delay is on my wish list, but for the time being I'm having fun. To make up for the relatively short loop length, I find myself playing a longer phrase over and over again by hand. My favorite trick so far is to get a sound with a percussive click or spit right at the beginning and play it in time with the loop over and over. The click "smears" into something really interesting. I read once that the human ear perceptrons use the first 1/20th of a second of a sound to assess a new sound; is it a predator? Is the microwave dinner finished cooking? Is my girlfriend pounding on the doors? I think that when this 1/20th of a second is messed with, it has odd effects on people. Also, the looping makes what the brain might initially detect as an important sound more of a background sound as time goes on. Play a pattern of clicks and pops that really grab you into a loop. Then, wait for the sheer quantity of repetitions to allow your mind to let go of it. Blur the loop into something less aggressive -- perhaps with more bass tones. Later, play the inital pop/click pattern back into the loop again, you will evoke an "AHA!" response. Any other things like these I should try? Warning: the rest has little to do with looping: > Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator > Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works > wonders. I apply such treatment to everything, regardless of it's inital beauty. I suffer from this horrible disease where if I see words in front of me, I can't play music. Everything gets taped over except for a the small words that label the useful controls. Glad to see that black tape is a fetish others have as well. (Joe Miklojcik) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:32 EST From: Drumworker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question Re: Looping Microphone Message-ID: <8460b513.349ed16f@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm compiling a list of microphones that would be suitable for use when looping with Steel Pan - small condenser and unidirectional (to avoid unwanted sound in the loop). Is any one familiar with the AudioTechnica #AT 4049? Would that be a good choice of mic for this use? Any other suggestions? Thanks all! Paul O. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:16:59 -0600 From: Randy Jones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: short delay, black tape Message-id: <3.0.32.19971222151651.00714574@texas.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah Paint it black... Black Velcro Tape is even better. You can have you pedals crawl up the wall and sit on your ceiling by putting velcro stripes in your home studio. I can play several pedals this way using elbows, Peg heads, foreheads, knees as well as feet and toes. You can load your crossbow with those suction tipped arrows and shoot the auto wah into existence perched in its vertical velcro position. Avail at office depots type places. You can even take your computer apart and velcro the parts on the wall attached by their cables. Makes upgrading really a plug and play operation. Randy Jones At 03:06 PM 12/22/97 -0500, Joe Miklojcik wrote: >I have just spent several sessions playing into an incredibly short delay (500 >ms, 100% feedback). I play synths, not guitars. Obviously, a longer, >"playable" delay is on my wish list, but for the time being I'm having fun. To >make up for the relatively short loop length, I find myself playing a longer >phrase over and over again by hand. > >My favorite trick so far is to get a sound with a percussive click or spit >right at the beginning and play it in time with the loop over and over. The >click "smears" into something really interesting. I read once that the human >ear perceptrons use the first 1/20th of a second of a sound to assess a new >sound; is it a predator? Is the microwave dinner finished cooking? Is my >girlfriend pounding on the doors? I think that when this 1/20th of a second is >messed with, it has odd effects on people. > >Also, the looping makes what the brain might initially detect as an important >sound more of a background sound as time goes on. Play a pattern of clicks and >pops that really grab you into a loop. Then, wait for the sheer quantity of >repetitions to allow your mind to let go of it. Blur the loop into something >less aggressive -- perhaps with more bass tones. Later, play the inital >pop/click pattern back into the loop again, you will evoke an "AHA!" response. > >Any other things like these I should try? > >Warning: the rest has little to do with looping: > >> Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator >> Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works >> wonders. > >I apply such treatment to everything, regardless of it's inital beauty. >I suffer from this horrible disease where if I see words in front of me, I >can't play music. >Everything gets taped over except for a the small words that label the useful >controls. >Glad to see that black tape is a fetish others have as well. > >(Joe Miklojcik) > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:38:33 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Seasonal Greetings and an Invitation to Listen Message-ID: <00c801bd0f54$3fd90a60$cd22dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! I'm happy to be able to find the time to post this between working the old year out of our systems, and using real mail (gasp!) to send out packages... This Tuesday, December 23, at 9pm PST, a tradition begun last year continues: Every Christmastime a new ambient music composition is posted on the EarthLight Studios web page (http://www.earthlight.net/Studios), and made available to verified charities on a fee-waived basis. For example, incidental between-sets music at a charitable event, or soundtrack content for public television (you get the idea). This year's edition is called "One Night's Flight"; you're invited to enjoy it in RealAudio format at the EarthLight Studios home page, at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - We've even put up the lights and such for the holidays, and all it needs is you to visit, and listen. The best of this season to all of you, and yours! Stephen Goodman * It's here! Really! No, really! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:11:20 EST From: JFOG10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 'nother Vortex FOR SALE Message-ID: <1fb3981.349f722a@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi kids.....been busy and haven't posted in a while, so I'm sorry to be just schilling something...I'll add something more constructive soon ;) Lexicon Vortex Morphing Multi-effects unit for sale.......good condition...with manual and power supply.....great sounding, creative unit.........$200 or possible trade for TC electronics Chorus , a decent midi module for my MAC or Fender Mexican Jazz Bass........ Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:48:52 From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Janis Ian, jamwoman Message-ID: <1896@mainstring.win.net> Janis Ian is known and respected as a folk/pop singer-songwriter, but of late her live performances have incorporated a range of electronics. Here is an excerpt from an article in Acoustic Guitar magazine (February 98 issue)... < For vocal looping and effects, she has a Lexicon Jamman, a Digitech Vocalist, and a Yamaha SPX-900. Vocal looping has been a part of her show ever since the Breaking Silence album, and it can be quite spectacular. "We were doing a little bit of call and response stuff with an SPX years ago," she recalls. "My soundman started doing it on 'Ride Me Like a Wave'. And then when I started working with Philip Clark, my Australian sound guy, we were talking about, Wouldn't it be great if we could sample but didn't have to deal with a sampler? I called [a dealer] to ask whether there was anything like that, and he said 'Yeah, there's this great thing called the JamMan and it's really cheap.' And so we got one and boy, it was just an awesome thing. So we started using one, and now we're looking for more because they stopped making them." > PK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:47:44 -0500 From: Theatre of the Mind To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ***Happy Holidays*** Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971224164744.006859c4@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everyone, Just want to say how much I've enjoyed the streams of the L.D. for the past year and wish everyone H A P P Y H O L I D A Y S and a L O O P Y N E W Y E A R Mark b. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:57:17 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Message-ID: <001c01bd10b6$e7d30320$c722dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best of wishes and all fine things of the season to all of you...! Come on by and view my Christmas card to evvybuddy, since I obviously cannot post it here (though that'd be neat, huh?) I've linked in to autoplay my Christmas song, "One Night's Flight" (RealAudio), by the way. :) http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:50:36 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Using the Vortex Live Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mark: The LoOpDoctOrs are completely addicted to playing live with the Vortex. In fact some might say that without the Vortex, the Docs are simply a pulse in search of a morph, that said, the most important thing with the Vortex is to try, if possible, to run it in stereo. Perusing your equipment set up, it sounds like you're using a single head Marshall, so we would suggest trying to get the Vortex feed into the PA mixer if the pa is in true stereo. Not that you can't have fun with a Vortex in mono...but there are a lot fewer calories. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:22:58 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-ID: <26e7348c.34a2a484@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Dave: Thanks for you Peavy post. On a more detailed level, have you tried controlling the Jamman or Vortex or Echoplex with the PC1600 thingy? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:13:23 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi Dave: > >Thanks for you Peavy post. On a more detailed level, have you tried >controlling the Jamman or Vortex or Echoplex with the PC1600 thingy? > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs Well, not really. I didn't have the Echoplex long enough to really get too deeply into the MIDI implementation, and since the Vortex doesn't have MIDI, there's really nothing you could control from the Peavey. I have considered writing a Jamman control patch, using the buttons on the Peavey to send patch changes, but haven't as yet. One thing I have found is that using a MIDI to CV converter (my Doepfer modular includes one), you can plug the CV output into the pedal input on the Vortex, and control morphs via MIDI. I'm wondering if you could use gate voltages into the tap pedal input to MIDI sync the vortex. Unfortunately, all my gear is packed away right now because of my impending move, and it may be a week or 2 before I can set it all up again. I'm starting to feel withdrawal already. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:08:50 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971225130850.00a3f100@global.california.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's cool! Does anyone make a standalone MIDI to CV converter? At 11:13 AM 12/25/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >One thing I have found is that using a MIDI to CV converter (my Doepfer >modular includes one), you can plug the CV output into the pedal input on >the Vortex, and control morphs via MIDI. I'm wondering if you could use --------------------------------