------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 282 Today's Topics: Time Machine Antics [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown] [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] loopingkeys...to sharkey [ R & T Cummings ] stereoizing mono with Vortex [ Michael Peters ] RE: stereoizing mono with Vortex [ "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" ] Re: Lexicon [ Dpcoffin ] Re: Lexicon [ Tom Lambrecht ] Re: somebody using QT-MID-MOV to hav [ Kim Flint ] One For Sale [ Ed Drake ] Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine spott [ Adam Levin ] delays that slowwww [ Andrew ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:57 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Time Machine Antics Message-ID: <000601bd156a$a51e8780$1822dacf@sgoodman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 at a local guitar store that features used equipment. I got my 7.6 Time Machine for $125 via the Recycler, a used equipment paper (that's also ONLINE at http://www.recycler.com) back in 1992... and it's still ticking! >I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more current looping device. Thus my enthusiasm for the 7.6, given my own relatively destitute status. >Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? Most definately yes. On the unit, with the loop set to be long, and the feedback to the loop set all the way up, is the best way to recreate the tape loop effect we all strive to achieve. There are, mind you, only 16 layers in the unit, thus 16 cycles is ones limit with the loop open. You must open the loop to put stuff into it - and remember to close it so that everything you wanted to keep doesn't just cascade off the top of the stack. This is best achieved with a footpedal, though doable with the ol' fingers on the front panel too. >Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative atmospheric music. > >The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. Pfeh and kibosh! Let me be the first (or one of many) to invite you to my website. ALL of the music produced and posted at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios is done using the 7.6 Time Machine in the signal path. Have a listen and you'll be able to tell if what I'm producing is close to what you want to hear in a looping device. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:06:17 EST From: KULTBOX To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: alex! 179 new-chicago Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hey guyz: guitar center chicago (villa park) a burb has the lexicon alex for 179 new..they only have a few left........ just wanted to pass on the newz... -r ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:23 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown] Message-ID: <34A98846.1F84F6C2@mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------84C9C8CFEC084FBF35F730E7" Return-Path: <> Received: from chmls04.mediaone.net ([24.128.1.114]) by mw.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA24840 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:46:36 -0500 Received: from mail1.noc.netcom.net (mail1.noc.netcom.net [204.31.1.150]) by chmls04.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12857 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (mail-whi.pirnie.com [207.93.215.211]) by mail1.noc.netcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02137 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com ([10.1.1.15]) by mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 253 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with internal id SAA00190; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:49:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:49:01 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199712302349.SAA00190@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SAA00190.883525741/mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com" The original message was received at Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:54 -0500 from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com [10.1.1.211] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- <1wordsman@pirnie.com> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <1wordsman@pirnie.com>... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: innerspace@mediaone.net Received: from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com [10.1.1.211]) by mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00160 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:54 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net Received: from mw.mediaone.net ([24.131.1.17]) by mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 137 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:47:57 -0500 Received: from mediaone.net ([24.131.4.70]) by mw.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA24762 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <34A98788.B211AB1@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:45:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1wordsman@pirnie.com Subject: digitech time machine loopers forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey-how ya doin? I'm a recent addition to the loop forum, but I'm well versed in looping through a number of different little toys. I read your message about the Digitech time machine. You said you could get one of the 4.3 sec. units. Over the last five or six years I've had access to both the 3 sec. and 7.6 sec. units, and frankly, I find the digitech time machine's(although very noisy) to be more flexible and user friendly than the lexicon jam man or any other "modern" looper. Don't have time to go into detail now, but I'd love to babble about how much fun these units are to play through. One thing you should be aware of... there are four units in the time machine series. I believe that the 3.0 & 4.0 versions don't have the sample trigger capability that the longer delay units have, and I've grown to love the ability the time knob gives you over creating cool loops from a guitar source. good luck, gotta go. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:15:37 -0500 From: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Subject: loopingkeys...to sharkey Message-ID: <199712302016_MC2-2D8E-F848@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yes, we amateurs are finally killing pop music by taking it for ourselves! ;-) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:17:05 +0000 From: BUYO-BUYO-IGOR To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: somebody using QT-MID-MOV to have loops Message-ID: <34AA29B1.6B3C@db3.so-net.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'm new to this list and writng from Japan. Using 68k-Macintosh and love to to run several QuickTime Movies at once to have different length of loops get mixed forever. I also love Microtuned music and when running MIDI files...there will be a bunch of bend-data flowin in to QT-musical-instruments. What happening when different bends get onto the same MIDI channel? Simply the same with a sound module receiving a lot of MIDI-ins? Or will there be virtual sound modules for each QT-mid-mov file? THANX ------ BUYO-BUYO-IGOR @ SaRiGaMa' Oil Vending Orchestra http://www.dtinet.or.jp/~buyobuyo gianthead@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:50:10 EST From: Marzzz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (non-loop content) Triaxis doc Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/30/97 4:33:37 AM, Kim wrote: <> Correct about the manual. You cab call Mesa Boogie and they will send you a copy. The Lead 1 Red mode was changed with version 2.0 to be a Dual Recto type tone, and since last august was modified some more so that the tone was richer and less buzzy, especially in the upper harmonics. All TriAxis have been shipping this way since last August. Older 2.0 versions can be updated to the "Phat Mod" for $75 plus shipping, 1.0 versions may be more expensive. If you like the Lead 1 Red mode the way it is, I would advise NOT getting the Phat Mod. For me, I didn't like the Lead 1 Red mode, and much preferred the Phat Mod version after I had it installed. Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 06:10:26 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: stereoizing mono with Vortex Message-ID: <199712310610_MC2-2D9B-8712@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I have some mono (or not very stereo) recordings which I'd like to stereo-enhance a little to make them more interesting for headphone listening. I have a Vortex but I'm not very experienced with it yet. Does anyone have Vortex settings for such a purpose? The effect should not be too dramatic. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:16:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Time Machine Antics Message-Id: <199712311316.IAA20180@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ditto on Stephen's enthusiasm/ I have a Jammie and an RDS 8000 (rack mount 8 sec.--same as 7.6) and love them both--the Time Machine is a great unit for the bucks and has knobs for real-time tweakability not to mention chorusability and flangeing--things I CAN"T do with the Jammie --if you want to do a pedal with knobs, the DOD delay pedals are about $100 discounted for 4 secs. of loops (got one of those too, but like the time machine much better) The Zoom ppedal packs alot of power into a pedal, but you have to SCROLL :( I LIKE KNOBS drone on~~~~Tom >>I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 >at a local guitar store that features used equipment. > > >I got my 7.6 Time Machine for $125 via the Recycler, a used equipment paper >(that's also ONLINE at http://www.recycler.com) back in 1992... and it's >still ticking! > >>I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more >current looping device. > >Thus my enthusiasm for the 7.6, given my own relatively destitute status. > >>Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? > > >Most definately yes. On the unit, with the loop set to be long, and the >feedback to the loop set all the way up, is the best way to recreate the >tape loop effect we all strive to achieve. There are, mind you, only 16 >layers in the unit, thus 16 cycles is ones limit with the loop open. > >You must open the loop to put stuff into it - and remember to close it so >that everything you wanted to keep doesn't just cascade off the top of the >stack. This is best achieved with a footpedal, though doable with the ol' >fingers on the front panel too. > >>Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative >atmospheric music. > >> >>The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 >or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time >machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears >to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. > > >Pfeh and kibosh! Let me be the first (or one of many) to invite you to my >website. ALL of the music produced and posted at >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios is done using the 7.6 Time Machine in the >signal path. Have a listen and you'll be able to tell if what I'm producing >is close to what you want to hear in a looping device. > >Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:28:51 EST From: PJBMHB To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time Machine Antics Message-ID: <1090cc9.34aa4895@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i have had the zoom 508 for a few months now and am very happy with it. the 4 seconds of sampling is very cool and i like the fact that you can adjust the treble content of the echoes to give it a more realistic sound. sound-wise, i would say that the zoom clobbers the digitech. i had a rds 3600 that would really cut off the top-end of any signal i fed it. the zoom only does this if i want it to. the zoom also has a tap delay feature which is really cool. with the combined looping capabilities of the zoom and my 32 second jamman i am in loop heaven. (whatever that means!) =-O pj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:21:52 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: stereoizing mono with Vortex Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8EEC@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Michael Peters asked:"I have some mono (or not very stereo) recordings which I'd like to stereo-enhance a little to make them more interesting for headphone listening. I have a Vortex but I'm not very experienced with it yet. Does anyone have Vortex settings for such a purpose? The effect should not be too dramatic." Michael, My suggestion is to start with Choir A. Bring all parameters to 0 except for MIX, OUTPUT and MOD FX LVL which should all be set to 64. I have not tried this but I expect that it should work well for what you are looking for. Please let me know what you think or what you come up with. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Message-ID: <971231103844_2049102881@mrin39.mx> <> If all you're getting for your bucks is 4 sec, why not get a new Zoom 508 pedal? It does a lot, plus has 4 sec of delay for about $100. 4 sec. is plenty for long slow, meditative explorations that are still rhythmic, IMHO. You can also get (when ever they actually ship) a DOD delay pedal that does 8 sec for about $100. I think it's the 98 pedal, or something. check out their website for more info...) dpc dpc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:11:58 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: stereoizing mono with Vortex Message-ID: <199712311112_MC2-2D9B-C7ED@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >My suggestion is to start with Choir A. thanks Greg, I'll give it a try. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:41:44 EST From: HOTAIRKONG To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Your message about the Lexicon Vortex was forwarded to me by Ric Hordinski. I am interested in purchasing the unit if it has not been sold. Please contact me at this email address or call (503)819-5664. Thankyou Soft Landings Kong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:34:24 EST From: Dpcoffin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Message-ID: <940e9b3b.34aaba62@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <> Odd. I believe he was the one who bought my Vortex...sorry, anyway. It's gone! good hunting! dpc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Message-Id: <199801010015.TAA26765@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:34 PM 12/31/97 EST, you wrote: ><>> >Odd. I believe he was the one who bought my Vortex...sorry, anyway. It's gone! >good hunting! >dpc > > > I have one myself, but not for sale . . . the madness reigns unchecked--maybe the Loopers ought to bankroll a Jamman--Vortex reissue . . . drone on ~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:40:12 EST From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: submision for the 3rd tape/CD project Message-ID: <6fe7a47e.34abd4fe@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ENAT asks; where do I send the tape. Send your tape to: John Peters 15 9th ave. N.W. Kasson, Minnesota I'll be sending out more information later. Adios, and Happy New Year to all of you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:08:52 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: somebody using QT-MID-MOV to have loops Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:17 AM +0000 12/31/97, BUYO-BUYO-IGOR wrote: >Hi! >I'm new to this list and writng from Japan. >Using 68k-Macintosh and love to to run several QuickTime Movies at >once to have different length of loops get mixed forever. that's a cool idea. I never thought that. Although I've actually done basically that many times in a non-musical way, for stress testing concurrency situations on media processors for pc's.... >I also love Microtuned music and when running MIDI files...there will >be a bunch of bend-data flowin in to QT-musical-instruments. >What happening when different bends get onto the same MIDI channel? >Simply the same with a sound module receiving a lot of MIDI-ins? >Or will there be virtual sound modules for each QT-mid-mov file? I guess I don't know what a mac would do, but I'm sort of curious. Have you tried yet? I would expect Quicktime to act like a single sound module, with pitch bend affecting everything on a given channel. So I would expect the two movies to interfere with each other. Maybe not though, I'm not really sure. let me know if you find out.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:42:12 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: One For Sale Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a message I just received, I thought it was something someone here might be interested in. I assume it is a JamMan for sale. Happy New Year everyone ! Ed >From: RBadillo >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:54:18 EST >To: ejmd@erols.com >Subject: One For Sale >Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > >Hello Ed. I bought one a few months ago. I don't really use it much. It's >mint. If you know anyone intrested in buying it I'd like to sell it for $350 >plus shipping. Theres no extra memory in it. Thanks. > Roberto >Badillo > (954) >428-1624 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine spotted Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII See http://www.wheatonmusic.com/digitech.htm -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:52:43 -0000 From: Andrew To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <01BD182D.57921BB0.andrew@bocs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow loopers, Sorry to be banging on about gear again, but I must know the answer... What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can slow down the input signal ? I understand the Lex PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech ? ) too, but are there any others ? I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like a varispeed has been turned down ( or up for Munchkin dialogue ) I believe the slowing down of input to be a great thing for these times, as we speed towards the millenium. Hopefully the 'kids' will be 'hip' to it too. Go raibh maith agat, ('Thanks to you' in the Gaelic ) --------------------------------