------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 32 Today's Topics: RE: for greg of lex [ "Hogan, Greg" ] synchroVortex [ cmeyer@cybmotion.com (Chris Meyer) ] Mutator [ Jeff Schwartz ] Jest whut the heck duz he be meanin' [ vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) ] Re: Finally Fully Vortexed!!/ Midi-i [ inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) ] Consumer products [ Mark J HEWINS ] hello and greetings to the loop list [ BobbyZZZ@aol.com ] just a thought.... [ BobbyZZZ@aol.com ] Musicianship, live technique, etc... [ "A.S.P." ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:56:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: for greg of lex Message-Id: <9702131902.AA04603@beryllium.lexicon.com> ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 1997 1:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: for greg of lex hey greg hogan.. wussup with your email - i couldn't send you directly. it keep looping back to me ! virtual echo...anyway - thanks a million - got the package in the mail. You rule !! >andre (east) Hi Andre, What address were you sending to? I have not been aware of any problems. Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: cmeyer@cybmotion.com (Chris Meyer) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: synchroVortex Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As a cross between the DIN-sync and more-on-the-Vortex threads... In my live set-up, I already have the sampler/drum machine (a Studio 440 with sampled percussion loops, triggered at the head with the on-board sequencer) set up to put out a logic pulse on every downbeat. It has many clock divisions on output too. I'd like to get the Vortex to auto-synchronize to it, without relying on my frenzied taps in the middle of a song. Anyone come up with a nice logic pulse to switch closure circuit that will work with the Vortex's tap pedal input? We were thinking a relay might be the very best... - CM P.S. Re: Interesting things in feedback loops: I am about to receive a Sherman Filterbank, a weird dual filter with envelopes, envelope follower, LFO, ring modulator, and distortion to process sampled loops etc. as they repeat; a device like this might be interesting to make loops evolve as well. A more sane (and stereo!) version of such a box might also be the Mutronics Mutator - check out www.bluesystems.com/products/outboard/mutator.html for some info. \ Chris & Trish Meyer/CyberMotion: Motion Graphics Design & Effects \ cmeyer@cybmotion.com & cybertrish@aol.com fax: (818) 598 3957 \__________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:54:28 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mutator Message-ID: <3303FE14.12E@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yow! I just checked out the Mutator home page, and it seems like an insane piece of gear, like a Lovetone Meatball and a Vortex combined! I have extremely little knowledge of analog synthesis, despite owning & loving a Roland GR-300, so I don't really comprehend all that this thang can do. Any suggestions for books or web sites to teach me the difference between a VCO and a VCA without hurting my tiny brain? How about ways for a poor Ohioan to get his hands on the crazy effects units the Brits seem to be pumping out? -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:27:13 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mutator Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 2/14/97 Jeff Schwartz wrote: >Yow! I just checked out the Mutator home page, and it seems like an >insane piece of gear, like a Lovetone Meatball and a Vortex combined! Tell us Jeff, where is this Mutator home page???? While your surfing you might check out the Fingerpaint site at: www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html Any feedback is appreciated. Peace, patrick :-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_-:-:_- Patrick Smith ..... Patrick@his.com .... ... .. . *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ Solaris Guitar Trio .. .. . .. .http://www.xdc.com/solaris/ :-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_-:-:-:_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:39:00 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mutator Message-ID: <330521C4.1A39@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mutator home page is at http://www.bluesystems.com/products/outboard/mutator.html Patrick Smith wrote: > > On 2/14/97 Jeff Schwartz wrote: > > >Yow! I just checked out the Mutator home page, and it seems like an > >insane piece of gear, like a Lovetone Meatball and a Vortex combined! > > Tell us Jeff, where is this Mutator home page???? > -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Finally Fully Vortexed!!/ Midi-izing it ??? Message-Id: <199702151716.MAA26732@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" holy crap, loopman !! i finally got my Vortex manual and footswitch. I had been using the V and loving it ANYWAY - but i have entered the world of using my morph pedal and finally running in stereo (Esssential, essential!!) WOW - this unit is ridiculous. I mean - as i said i loved it already - the warm tone quality, transparency, and wide range of sounds. i mean - it has that oomph - that seems to only come from good footpedals (boss esp. ) no matter how expensive your rack gets. but this thing has it. Also - stupid stupid me - i didn't realize you could "step" thru programs !! even tho it says STEP in the back panel (Duh). But i will propose some possibilities for the midi-izing discussion. (by the way , fearful anti-midi few, MIDI is simply a glorified switching protocol - an overgrown pulse-type footswitch, usually used to tell a device to turn a note on/off, vol incrementation, whatever. And the all-important "program-change" well- i have to descend into my lab - and try this - but i'll report back to you ... would the Scholz rockman Octopus work to induce a "step up" in the vortex ?? I haven't used mine in a while but it has 8 outputs, which can be toggled on the front panel. Each combination of 8 ons/offs can be saved as a program. Also - i hava a midi- midigator - (any owners out there ?? web info?) and i remember seeing in their accessories info that you could order a series of different modules that could send out various "analog" pulses to do a variety of switching. i bet one of these would work - any probably with any midi pedal at that - anyone know where these could be scarde up ?? is midigator (Lake Butler) back in biz - or is someone responsible for the catalog inventory ??? Help !! peace- andre , east ps - hope you all saw mr torn's home studio in the latest "musician" mag - the one on touring with metalli-U2 on the cover... I love him to death - but why does DT go out of his way to point out "NO MIDI" in a room littered with samplers, MIDI KEYBOARD, hi-tech digital effects, footswitches, Computers, drum machines, etc. am i missing something ??? aren't these all tools - useable by everyone from Madonna to Wendy Carlos with differing results ?? who cares anyway - everything past the naked sound of a voice and clapping hands is technologically based, let's not fool ourselves, fool ourselves, fool, fo,f ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:32:52 +0100 From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jest whut the heck duz he be meanin' Ma? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi David. Mebbe you could comment on this issue on the looplist or even to me. It's a confusing deal to so many............................................... Posted on the looplist 1/15 From: andre ................................................................................ ps - hope you all saw mr torn's home studio in the latest "musician" mag - the one on touring with metalli-U2 on the cover... I love him to death - but why does DT go out of his way to point out "NO MIDI" in a room littered with samplers, MIDI KEYBOARD, hi-tech digital effects, footswitches, Computers, drum machines, etc. am i missing something ??? aren't these all tools - useable by everyone from Madonna to Wendy Carlos with differing results ?? who cares anyway - everything past the naked sound of a voice and clapping hands is technologically based, let's not fool ourselves, fool ourselves, fool, fo,f............. Thanx. Looping away in Boulder Co.,B.P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:19:25 -0800 From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Finally Fully Vortexed!!/ Midi-izing it ??? Message-Id: <199702151819.KAA06687@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am using the Vortex with a Roland GP100 preamp. This preamp has the ability to send out 2 distinct control messages which in conjunction with a "Y" cable and footpedal can be used to engage either the bypass-step or tap-A/B switchers using midi controller messages. By the way, I also use a VG-8 and a Boomerang and am very excited by the sounds I have been able to create and manipulate. My three main sources of noise are a Fender Strat with a built-in GK2A pickup, an old Rickenbacker Lapsteel, and my all time favorite Ebow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:05:32 GMT From: Mark J HEWINS To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Consumer products Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970216080147.3ecfa820@musart.sonnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all >ps - hope you all saw mr torn's home studio in the latest "musician" mag - >the one on touring with metalli-U2 on the cover... I love him to death - but >why does DT go out of his way to point out "NO MIDI" in a room littered with >samplers, MIDI KEYBOARD, hi-tech digital effects, footswitches, >Computers,drum machines, etc. am i missing something ??? aren't these all >tools -useable by everyone from Madonna to Wendy Carlos with differing >results ??who cares anyway - everything past the naked sound of a voice and >clappinghands is technologically based, let's not fool ourselves, fool >ourselves,fool, fo,f............. One could comment that all electronic sound processing out of 'off the shelf' black boxes isn't experimental. Just marketing and consumerism. But it's all fun; and we shouldn't ever deny that. P&L>M MARK HEWINS < http://www.musart.co.uk/hewins.htm > (try the new CHORD PICKER) < http://www.musart.co.uk/chords.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 04:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hello and greetings to the loop list... Message-ID: <970216041128_983981295@emout10.mail.aol.com> hi! i am a guitarist named bobby devito, and currently record and perform with an ambient electronic guitar project called LVX NOVA. i have been enjoying the list so far, and have always loved looping and working with delays since the 70's. please take a graze at our LVX NOVA website at: http://virtu.sar.usf.edu/~devito to see and hear what our current CD sounds like. we are being signed at this very moment, and our CD will be avaliable worldwide in about 8 weeks...but if anyone on the list wants a copy, i have less than 100 of the advance CD's still left from the first pressing for only $5. it's 72 minutes of guitar and analog synths, exotic percussion, and serpentine bass. i am currently trying to get my live rig together and am having a hard time deciding between the Oberheim Echoplex and the TC 2290 delay for my looping needs. anyone like to help a newbie on the list? may peace and happiness rain down on you all :-) bobby devito/lvx nova ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: just a thought.... Message-ID: <970216140918_138288507@emout18.mail.aol.com> hello again all! i noticed that one of my old friends is on the loop list here, mr. bob phelps up there in boulder, CO....i would heartily recommend that ANY guitarist/composer check out what BP has to say, his viewpoint and insight is really fresh and almost untainted from the "music biz"....as well as being a fine guitarist himself.....he and i went to college together, and performed in some unusual ensembles. and BP is also very helpful if any of you have any questions about some of the larger issues that surround us in this big impressionist painting we call LIFE...as well as MUSIC. rock on, BP! bobby devito lvx nova http://virtu.sar.usf.edu/~devito ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: "A.S.P." To: Loophedz Subject: Musicianship, live technique, etc... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Loopers, I have some thoughts I'd like to share with you and I'd like to get your input on them, if you have any. First of all, when working with other musicians, how important is communication while playing, especially when all of the material is 90 to 100% improvised? I mean like giving each other cues, or just staying in touch with the other guy/guys to see where they're at. The reason I bring this up is that I've noticed that when I work with my new partner, that we almost never make eye contact and musically I'm finding it hard to connect - it seems like we're having two monologues rather than a conversation. I know that in some types of music this is desireable, but I can't imagine that this will have satisfying results when this is the only way people work together. Secondly: I'm beginning to understand breaks in composition. I mean dead spaces, quiet spaces, quieter spaces - increasing dynamic range. When we work together, one recipe we use is one person will do a complex drone, the other will do rhythmic sequential stuff. One problem I've been having is that the music just goes on and on and there aren't any breaks... it feels like a need to keep the music going no matter what, and this seems really tiring after a while, like "hey, we're trying to overload your circuits, relentlessly". I find it easier to work with people's attention when one takes down the levels and gives their brain a chance to breathe, then re-engaging them in the process. I'm very interested in how you loopers deal with this, since looping essentially means endless music. Romeo F. PS: A little side note - I was asked to provide some sound installations for an event I was also playing at. I decided to come up with some audio "fountains". I made a tape of my modular synthesizer, plus mixing in some other tape material. The idea was to play them on some custom tape decks that will play a cassette endlessly, in mono, not repeating the music for 4 hours. I also kept in mind that these "fountains" would be playing in quieter spaces, away from the main events where people might be relaxing or having conversations, so I made a point of letting the music play, but then recording - often minutes - of dead silence or very quiet passages. The music would stop as some fountains do periodically. I was hoping this would provide both entertainment and relaxation or refuge. --------------------------------