------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: Re: wake up [ Floyd Miller ] Re: wake up! [ MiqSk8@aol.com ] Bay Area Gig [ Doug Michael ] Re: wake up! [ lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) ] My Self-Introduction to This Group [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Re: wake up! [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: wake up! [ Chris Chovit ] Re: wake up! [ "James Reynolds" ] Re: wake up! [ "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up Message-Id: <199703141543.KAA08985@omni1.voicenet.com> Yawwwwwn... Strettttttttch.... Good morning loopers :) I'd just like to say I'm finnaly beginning to feel comfortable with the footpedal. It really takes some practice to get the feel of the buttons under foot. I was thinking of replacing the switches with something that has a little better tactile response. But it is so hard to find sources other than catalogs - and you can't feel a swtich in a catalog. Has anyone tried alternate switches in the pedal? Any suggestions? - Floyd Miller P.S. Looking forward to the looper's show here in Philly. I hope my schedule will settle down and I can make it. P.P.S. - any news on the new PAL, Kim? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <970314113134_-1237815858@emout10.mail.aol.com> i've noticed a lot of silence on several lists this week... well i finally got my manual, but have had zero time to implement. did manage to find 4megs of memory out in the garage to up my plex to 50 sec, it's gonna be fun. i have to agree about the pedal- so far the best luck i've had recording has been to hold it down the entire time and then up to end. in stocking feet sitting down! kinda surprised by this-is this sensitivity level common? another random thing flew by me as well-kim, matthias, was there a reason for either a 16mb limit on 30 pin simms or not using 72 pin simms? silly minds want to know. i also talked again with dean fouts about an official stance on the pending cu-eu and he said he forwarded it to his boss. i'm(we're) hoping this isn't going to become dilbertesque. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Michael To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bay Area Gig Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Just a quick announcement, if anyone is in the Bay Area my group "Hinge" is gigging this Saturday the 15th. We do rock/jazz ambient instrumental music complete with looping textures. I'm using an electro harmonix 16 second delay for the loops. The club is called Lindee's Bar & Grill located in Concord, California. The address is 2765 Clayton Road and we are probably hitting the stage at around 10:30-11pm. Hope to see you there, Doug Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hey, all you loopers have been deathly silent the past few of days! I hope >it's because you're all off looping some great music rather than working well, how about some vortex patch sharing...here's a nice little variation on Fractal B that really only changes depth1....everything's the same, but I put the modFXlevel and mix all the way up at 64, and depth 1 at 64. also i changed Feedback2 (the cross-feed mix) up to about 40. I controlled what did/didn't go to loop with the envelope. Just a few changes, but my telecaster sounded like the noises that huge spiders made in cheezy science fiction movies. Also, i never properly introduced myself to the list...I'm a high school student in Santa barbara, ca. Lately, my true voice has been coming through my upright bass, which i've studied for about 6 years now. i absolutely love everying about it (except for the damn blisters which i STILL get). I do have to use my JamMan, Vortex, and other instruments (chapman stick being a favorite) from keeping my self from going insane (or from going sane) with what I'm continually forced to do as far as music goes. Like I tell everyone, I don't just want to try to play standards better than the next guy for the rest of my life. I admire what the Charles Mingus' and Ornette Coleman's of the world have done with music. Right now i'm hoping to be able to go to CalArts in a few years (Mr. Haden!), and then make millions of dollars while still preserving my art. yeah, that's the ticket. Anyway, that's about it, as far as influences, I'd have to mention bill frisell, charlie haden (just got the liberation music orchestra disc, finally), john medeski, beck, trent reznor, crimson, john s. hall, buckethead, mr. torn, bill laswell, dj shadow, david lynch (Lost Highway was great no matter what the critics say), sun ra, ralph wiggum, etc. Thank you for your time. =) BTW, are there any turntable folk on this list? Anyone know of a nice group of vinyl folk? Ryan ---- Ryan Blum "...to play 'Giant Steps' because you can seems lowfrqcy@west.net ridiculous to me. I went through that, but I was 14 years old." - John Medeski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:01:23 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: My Self-Introduction to This Group Message-Id: <199703142205.PAA21726@primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I've been watching these messages fill my inbox now for a number of weeks, and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's Stephen Goodman, I'm in the LA area, contracting in software/hardware/networks/etc, during the day, composing (or compositing) ambient loops during the evening. Presently I'm working on a variety of material, all of it for final release (whether self-published or otherwise) sometime in the next 1.5 years: "Book Of Days", a CD-ROM for PCs (rel. date 7-8/97) "Songs From A Tunnel", an audio CD (rel. date 7-8/97) "Solitaire", an audio CD (rel.date 7/98) "Velvet Smog" (working title), an audio CD of covers (rel. date sometime in 98) ...as well as various web projects, designs, and writings, most of which may be found described on my EarthLight Studios web page at: http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios Two complete pieces may be found at the above site, "4 The World", a piece produced for Christmas 1996, and "Examen du Lapin", both RealAudio (but not streaming on my server yet), as well as the Loop Of The Week, an ambient guitar loop for your PC (Self-executing for Windows users, ZIPped .WAV for all else, 44.1khz 16-bit stereo). At this time I am preparing to perform publicly sometime in July-August, at a variety of sites, from Ice Cream Parlours to Shopping Malls, to coincide with the releases of Songs From A Tunnel and Book Of Days, but especially to just Perform. I'm sure it's not just me that's noticed that some folks just love to watch you 'put it together'. :) For my equipment I use an 89 Strat/Floyd Rose Tremolo, Oscar Schmidt acoustic 6-string, E-bow, Digitech 7.6-second 'Time Machine', QuadraVerb+, and a variety of recording equipment including my hard drive and Cool Edit. Good luck to everyone here! In the event that I travel I'd love to look some of you up to perhaps jam, if not also publicly. :) * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <970314173524_280145431@emout19.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 3/14/97 5:38:57 AM, you wrote: <> Kim; Being, at present, a Jman user (but looking to get an echoplex soon) might I be eligable?--Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: KelRey@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <970314174809_-1639055292@emout16.mail.aol.com> Hi, Nice to see there are other Jamman users> I got mine before I really new about the Plex, Now hoping to get one. Anyone here have both and how do they work together. Thanks, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:16:58 -0500 From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: My Self-Introduction to This Group Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970314191648.0069417c@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:01 PM 3/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings! Hi there.. I will check out your loops. Question: Do you find it worth the effor to zip WAV files? Mine never seem to compress much at all. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:50:23 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi, > >Nice to see there are other Jamman users> I got mine before I really new >about the Plex, Now hoping to get one. Anyone here have both and how do they >work together. > >Thanks, > >Kelly As a long-time JamMan user who has borrowed an Echoplex Pro for the last 3 months (supposed to go home tomorrow, sob), here's my german car analogy: The JamMan is a VW bug, simple, easy to work with, cheap, doesn't do a lot, but does what it does well and predictably, while the Echoplex is a Mercedes, very elegant design and interface, expensive, but worth it, and you really have to know how to drive it to get the benefits. OK, end of pointless automotive analogies... I saw an ad in EQ for a Symmetrix delay box that is supposedly meant to be an update of the PCM 42 and Time Bandit. Sounds quite cool (has knobs on the front panel and !Resonant Filters! yeah!), but nowhere in the ad does it mention anything about total delay time, or if it's expandable. Anyone know anything about this? Or what it will cost? Also, a friend is looking for a JamMan, and can't find any from any of the local dealers or mail order places. Does anyone out there know where you can actually buy one? Or has their era truly passed, alas... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:00:57 -0700 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi, > >Nice to see there are other Jamman users> I got mine before I really new >about the Plex, Now hoping to get one. Anyone here have both and how do they >work together. > >Thanks, > >Kelly Yeah, I am currently using 2 Echoplex DP's, 2 Jam Mans, and 2 vortexes, all running off the 6 effects sends of my mixer. I use the Jam Mans primarily as delays, usually with a feedback of one. This allows me to delay either my direct sound or the loops, and also allows me to separate the delays in the stereo field. For instance I might get a loop going in EDP #1, and pan the loop to the left. THen , I'll send that loop to the Jam Man delay (set to a 100% Wet mix) and pan that to the right. I might do the same with EDP #2, and pan them opposite (ie. loop --> right, delayed loop --> left). Then, just in case I haven't already created a muddy mess, I can run either the direct signal, the loop, or the delayed loop into the vortexes, which have their own stereo field....This allows me to create nice spatial effects. I ought to mention: I find it challenging NOT to create a muddy mess, using this setup. I find that using crisper, thinner sounds and simple, sparse inital loops, gives me the best results in the end. Also, this is probably an under-usage of the JamMan's potenital, but the EDP's handle my looping needs, and where else can you get "tapable" delay with 30 (or even 8) seconds delay time? Getting back into looping, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:43:37 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: <199703150144.RAA05162@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Nice to see there are other Jamman users> I got mine before I really new > about the Plex, Now hoping to get one. Anyone here have both and how do they > work together. > > Thanks, > > Kelly i was in the same situation as you - got my jamman before i ever knew there was such a thing as an echoplex. actually, i'm glad i have both now. all dedicated looping devices (that i know of) have one fundamental limitation, at least for the way i want to make loop-based music: they can only play one loop at a time. sure, you can layer and all that fun stuff, but if you want to have one continuous background loop and fade new loops in and out, you're out of luck. i make most of my noises with a bass, so i lay my bass groove down into the jamman, then stomp my A/B into the plex for the weird textural stuff (harmonics, feedback into wah, volume pedal, vortex). another advantage of having two loopers: you can route their outputs separately. the jamman goes into my bass amp, and the vortex/echoplex go into the PA (the vortex goes thru the mixer to the PA stereo, and an effects send feeds the vortex into the plex, which returns mono) all this fun stuff is MIDI-synced to the jamman of my mentally unbalanced guitarist, some colored floodlights and pulsating christmas lights (which we wear - "suits of light"), and some dark lazy tweaked out funk beats. theremin and radio noises round the sound out. pretty standard stuff. :) ok, got a bit off topic, but what self-respecting electronic musician can resist an opportunity to yammer about his setup? :) james ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:42:38 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <332A60FE.28FE@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Trenkel wrote: > Also, a friend is looking for a JamMan, and can't find any from any of the > local dealers or mail order places. Does anyone out there know where you > can actually buy one? Or has their era truly passed, alas... Why not have your friend check out a Boomerang Phrase Sampler. The sampling rate is lower than a Jamman, but it sounds great with guitar, bass, and vocals. The feature set is larger than the Jamman, it's easier to use and records a lot longer. I think it's the most bang for the buck in the world of looping, but then I would because I co-own the company that makes them. Check our web page at http://www.netbutler.com/boomerang -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:58:25 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <332A64B1.7B63@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reynolds wrote: > all this fun stuff is MIDI-synced to the jamman of my mentally unbalanced > guitarist, some colored floodlights and pulsating christmas lights (which > we wear - "suits of light"), and some dark lazy tweaked out funk beats. > theremin and radio noises round the sound out. pretty standard stuff. :) Radio noise and a theremin... pretty standard stuff? I must be a conservative looper. My band uses a Boomerang to fatten our sound and add parts since we consist of only guitar bass and percussion. I only occasionally bring mine out to a gig, but our sound is wed to our bass player's layered approach to creating a groove. Sometimes I think he uses it to take a breather. I'll be soloing over his foundation and look around to hand it back to him (he's the lead singer) and he's sipping on a Bud watching the female scenery! Isn't technology wonderful. I'd like to make a formal request for a picture of your human light show. Your band sounds really interesting. No really, I'm serious. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:45:55 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:14 PM 3/9/97, Jim Morgan wrote: >I'm not a loopster yet, but it's something I've been trying to get into for >the last year or two. My problem is that I live in Hong Kong, and can't find >anywhere that sells the Echoplex, which, I gather from various discussions >around, is the mutt's nuts. > >So.... how can I get hold of an Echoplex plus pedal in this hi-tech hick >town? Does anyone have a contact for the manufacturer so that I could find >out if they have any dealers out here? Is anyone coming to Hong Kong with a >spare few kilos of baggage allowance in the near future? Do I really need an >Echoplex or is there something better by, say, Yamaha, who seem to have HK >sewn up? I'm pretty sure that Yamaha doesn't make anything with useful looping ability! And as far as I know, I won't be heading to Hong Kong soon. I do know Oberheim's address and phone# though: Oberheim Synthesizers 732 Kevin Court Oakland, CA 94633 USA 510-635-9633 I'm doubt that there are any Oberheim/echoplex dealers in Hong Kong, but you could ask them. Or you can try a US dealer, they might ship overseas. Banana's at Large is usually pretty good: Bananas at Large 1504 Fourth Street San Rafael, CA 94901 USA Phone (415)457-7600 Fax (415)457-9148 bananas@bananas.com www.bananas.com At the moment, Oberheim is finishing up the first production run they have done in a while, so everyone seems to be out of stock. Echoplecis should be easier to get in a month or so. >Any answers to these questions would be appreciated. Meanwhile I'll continue >to lurk and vicariously enjoy the idea of looping. > >Jim Morgan. >Monday morning. >Hong Kong. ^^^^^^^^^ sorry about that change of government thing.....If you score an echoplex, you may soon be the only looper I know in China, huh? Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in the way there are with other musics about the world? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:42:07 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <970317004207_415109473@emout02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/97 11:52:28 PM, you wrote: > >Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music >traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in >the way there are with other musics about the world? > >kim hmmmmm, that's a good one kim. from all the enthnomusicology i absorbed during my time in school, i would say yes, in the sense that many types of asian and "oriental" musics do have a lot of repetition...and can also be very mono-chromatic and harmonically static in some ways...Bob Phelps, are you up for answering this one??? :-)_ bobby devito/lvx nova ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:30:33 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <332CE509.7C3E@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Morgan, Another option is the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Call me at 214-343-1038 in the USA or check our web page at http://www.netbutler.com/boomerang . We will ship overseas. Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products aka Motley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:07:28 -0800 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) (by way of kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Alert Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" American Musical Supply has a Lexicon Vortex on sale for $189.00. It is listed on page 130 of their Spring '97 catalog. They can be contacted at: 600 Industrial Ave. Paramus, NJ 07652 1-800-458-4076 (inside U.S.) 1-320-796-2088 (outside U.S.) 1-201-262-3332 (fax) www.americanmusical.com Virginia Beach Vintage Guitars also has a Lexicon Vortex for sale for $299.00. They can be contacted at: 5045 VA Beach Blvd. Virginia Beach, VA 23462 1-757-557-6900 1-757-557-6845 (fax) e-mail: vintgtr@infi.net www.dazone.com/vintageguitars Their ad appeared in the April 1997 issue of Vintage Guitar, page 91. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com --------------------------------