------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 43 Today's Topics: Jamman Alert ! [ Kevin Simonson ] Re: Living on a rock [ Chris Chovit ] Re: Living on a rock [ BobbyZZZ@aol.com ] Re: Living on a rock [ "James Reynolds" ] Sorry, I must be going. [ "Bailey, Jim" ] Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) [ dmgraph@bway.net (David Myers) ] Re: Living on a rock [ Dave Stagner ] Re: Living on a rock [ Francis Leach ] Re: Living on a rock [ Dave Stagner ] BIG BIG Loop event coming up! [ jspeer@haverford.edu ] Re: Living on a rock [ "A.S.P." ] Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) [ nyfac ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:23:17 -0700 (CST) From: Kevin Simonson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman Alert ! Message-Id: <199703172023.AA211870198@eagle.uis.edu> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 410 Greetings... www.recycler.com -- classified service do a search in 'musical accessories' for "lexicon" someone is selling a Jamman for $188.00! Later... -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:33:50 -0700 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bobby wrote: >hmmmmm, that's a good one kim. from all the enthnomusicology i absorbed >during my time in school, i would say yes, in the sense that many types of >asian and "oriental" musics do have a lot of repetition...and can also be >very mono-chromatic and harmonically static in some ways...Bob Phelps, are >you up for answering this one??? :-)_ >bobby devito/lvx nova Yes, there seems to be much repetition in music from Asia....but (from what little I know about it) it seems to me that the performance of the repetition is very important, perhaps as a meditation. For example, I can't quite imagine traditional gamelan performers playing their patterns into looping devices, then sitting back and drinking tea. Perhaps this is also what is preventing African musicians from embracing these devices. I mean, African polyrthythms are very repetitive, but I can't picture a drum/dance ritual to the beat of a looping device.....but then again, you never know how things will turn out.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 18:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <970317181445_1351308012@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 3/17/97 4:42:03 PM, you wrote: > >Yes, there seems to be much repetition in music from Asia....but (from what >little I know about it) it seems to me that the performance of the >repetition is very important, perhaps as a meditation. For example, I >can't quite imagine traditional gamelan performers playing their patterns >into looping devices, then sitting back and drinking tea. that's an interesting mental picture though :-)....the physical portion of playing the music for meditative purposes would seem to me to be a little less important that the music itself, unless you are thinking of something like the Sufic dancers...repetitive patterns in music can create that "meditative" state, but i much more like looping for that, especially with slowly-evolving loops. steve tibbetts has some interesting music that is influenced somewhat in this way, he's on ECM if any of you are interested in hearing his music! bobby d/lvx nova ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:41:34 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-Id: <199703172342.PAA09429@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the topic of looping in asian musics... javanese gamelan music is fundamentally based on certain aspects of loopiness. however, the looping pattern can be up to 256 beats long as slow as 6 bpm, so until someone comes up with a digital looper with some SERIOUS ram.... but still, javanese music has some features which can be very inspirational for us loopfolk. the music is very beautiful and trancelike, the loop transforming itself gradually over time in speed and texture. quick background: a gamelan orchestra is comprised mainly of tuned brass idiophones (struck with hard and soft mallets) in varying sizes, from small xylophones to large hanging gongs. these instruments play the foundation or framework of the music. there will also usually be some combination of end-blown flute, spike fiddle, choir, and a special xylophone called "gender". these instruments play a freer melodic role. a drummer sets the tempo and directs changes in the music. the fundamental looping melody is called the "balungan" - it is usually fairly rhythmically regular (one melody note per quarter note) and is played with hard mallets on medium-sized xylophone-like instruments tuned to one of two pentatonic scales. the balungan is the melody upon which all other instruments base their parts, in what can be called "stratified polyphony". instruments higher in pitch will play in a rhythm that is a multiple of the balungan rhythm (twice as fast, etc), playing a melody weaving in and out of the notes of the balungan. instruments lower in pitch will play in a rhythm that is a division of the balungan (half as fast, etc), playing structurally important notes of the melody. the hanging gongs play a sort of bass line, and a huge gong plays only at the end of a melodic cycle. here's the really cool part. fundamental to javanese gamelan music is the concept of "irama", which describes a sort of gradual repeated doubling of the fundamental pulse, while the higher instruments adjust their parts to maintain a constant rhythmic density. after a few cycles of the balungan have been played, the drummer carefully slows the ensemble down, until it is playing at half of the previous tempo. the higher-pitched "elaborating" instruments will double their rhythmic density, playing four or eight notes per balungan note instead of two or four. these notes are formulaically tied to the balungan notes, and a sense of continuity is maintained. this process is repeated as many as four times, until a melody that lasted 15 seconds now lasts four minutes. at this irama level, the balungan is no longer recognizable as a melody, but serves more of a "punctuating" function, regularly defining important moments in the structure. the process is repeated in reverse to end the piece at the original irama level. this is all an oversimplification of a very deep, complex musical system, so i encourage people to look into it more yourselves. for anyone interested in checking gamelan music out, just a little warning: the instruments are not always tuned in a system that is compatible with the western chromatic system (in fact, each gamelan is tuned a little differently!) it may at first sound just a bit "off" to western ears, but you'll soon hear it for its beauty. a good introduction to javanese gamelan music is "gendhing bonang", an instrumental genre played by an all-brass gamelan orchestra that has a very smooth, ethereal sound. check out "music of mangkunegaran solo I", part of king records' "world music library" series. (king records, tokyo, KICC5184). james ------------------------------ Date:Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:29:00 -0500 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: looppost Subject: Sorry, I must be going. Message-ID: <332DFCBD@pcsmtp.cmail.southam.ca> Well folks, it's been fun while it lasted, but I'm afraid I'll have to leave for a while. This wasn't my choice, rather that the bloated windbag who recently bought this company has decided that paying too many people means less money for him, so some of us have to go. Yep, I'm one of them. This will mean, therefore, that the e-mail address in my listing will be out of date as of the end of the month. I was hoping to contact a few more of you to try arranging trades of material but fear, alas, that time is against me now. If anyone is interested, and would like to contact me here, please do so by the end of the week. Otherwise, it's snail mail. I hope to have a new position soon, and will rejoin if a new address is available, but will have to wait and see. In the meantime, happy looping to all! Jim B. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 1997 03:18:38 GMT From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Living on a rock Message-Id: <4262653950.148898955@manager.com> Kim Flint writes: >ability! And as far as I know, I won't be heading to Hong Kong soon. I do >know Oberheim's address and phone# though: Thankyew thankyew thankyew. I'll drop them a line >I'm doubt that there are any Oberheim/echoplex dealers in Hong Kong, but >you could ask them. Or you can try a US dealer, they might ship overseas. >Banana's at Large is usually pretty good: Yes I tried them, but they only deal with USA. >sorry about that change of government thing.....If you score an echoplex, >you may soon be the only looper I know in China, huh? No need to be sorry, as far as I can work out, the only reason why Hong Kong was in British hands was the result of a dodgy drug deal about 100 years ago. 8-) >Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music >traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in >the way there are with other musics about the world? Stabbing mightily in the dark here, but I'd guess that the tricky tonal variations and rhythms would make traditional Chinese music a bit hard on the ear if you loop it a lot and overlay it-- lotsa quarter tones don't sit on top of each other too well. In fact some of the Chinese opera you hear around is a bit hard on the ear before you loop it......ow. Thanks for your help anyway, it is much appreciated. Jim Morgan Editor, Asia Inc Online ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 1997 04:40:48 GMT From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang (back attcha) Message-Id: <1032060926.149222165@manager.com> In answer to my question about getting hold of an Echoplex Pro, someone suggested I check out the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. I'll take a look at their website today. Meanwhile, does anyone have any hands-on experience of this, or any clue as to how it stacks up against the Echoplex? Jim M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Mar 1997, Jim Morgan wrote: > Meanwhile, does anyone have any > hands-on experience of this, or any clue as to how it stacks up against the > Echoplex? I gave a Boomerang a quick spin at a Guitar Center store a couple of months back. My impression was that it's primarily designed as an off-the-cuff live tool. The main advantages to it are that it's a self-contained floor unit, with a decidedly sturdy construction and casing. Most of the main parameters have their own dedicated pedals, and you can select from three different input gain stages. It also has a self-contained roller to continuously adjust the volume level of the loop as you go, which is pretty neat (though, as I've recently discovered, you can do the same thing with an Echoplex and a standard volume pedal -- thanks to Kim for putting up that page on footpedal/switch applications in the Echoplex web section!) Finally, the Boomerang can reverse a loop on the fly (also an Echoplex feature), and can change the speed of the loop after playback, which none of the other Big Three can lay claim to. Disadvantages? You have to stop the loop if you want to alter the speed, due to the nature of the footswitch layout. There's no individual feedback control to regulate the decay time of a loop; my understanding is that feedback is automatically scaled back as new layers are overdubbed on top of old ones, which are themselves phased out. As I understand it, there's no factory-installed control over this feature, i.e. if you want to be able to overdub new layers without a preset rate of feedback decay, you need to have it modded to bypass this feature. (This is my main personal quibble with the unit.) Also, the sampling resolution isn't up to that of either of the other Big Three; its low sampling rate is pretty much optimized for electric guitar and other "lo-fi" instruments, though some would no doubt advocate its use for any and all instruments. I should also add that since I've only given the Boomerang a cursory spin in a music store, I don't claim 100% certainty on the above information; since Mike "Motley" Nelson is on the list, I'll readily defer to him if I'm in error regarding any of the above information. I've seen the Boomerang on sale for around $350 at Guitar Center, which is about $150 to $200 more than the Echoplex (which doesn't come with its own dedicated footpedal; that costs about $100 more). As an Echoplex owner (and apparently one of the few who have been able to try a Boomerang), I'd just as soon stick with what I've got, though the Bomerang is very handy as a bare-bones live unit. There really is a slew of features on the Echoplex which neither of the other Big Three can touch -- so much so that almost a year and a half after getting mine, I'm *still* discovering new things that it can do. It's very deep in terms of what you can do with it, but with the combined cost of the footpedal (which is essential, as far as I'm concerned), it is more expensive than the 'Rang. (Note that a MIDI footswitcher can also be used to control Echoplex [and JamMan] functions). If you'd be content with a no-frills unit optimized for stage use, and if your budget's limited, the 'Rang may be for you. Daniel Lanois apparently uses a Boomerang quite a bit; in the current issue of _Guitar Player_ magazine (the one with Clint Eastwood holding a pistol and Telecaster on the cover [!]), Lanois makes several mentions of soundtrack work he's done based around a guitar and a Boomerang pedal; I'd be interested to hear the results. I'd have to assume that Lanois is in a position to use any of the Big Three if he's so inclined, so his preference for the Boomerang suggests that even studo-mavens with expendable income might opt for the 'Rang. That's all for now. Hope this has been of some help, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:56:10 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: jim@manager.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Living on a rock Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:18 PM 3/17/97, Jim Morgan, speaking for himself, wrote: >>Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music >>traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in >>the way there are with other musics about the world? > >Stabbing mightily in the dark here, but I'd guess that the tricky tonal >variations and rhythms would make traditional Chinese music a bit hard on the >ear if you loop it a lot and overlay it-- lotsa quarter tones don't sit on >top of each other too well. In fact some of the Chinese opera you hear around >is a bit hard on the ear before you loop it......ow. Well, it might be a bit hard on your ear, but I for one like them microtonalities just fine! I think I must have gotten bored with the same old 12 notes, because even the most altered scale/chords I can dream up still sound pretty consonant to me. Here's a loop idea I found enjoyable some time back: I used my Fernandes sustainer guitar, but an ebow would work fine to, as would a synth with pitch wheel or any instrument where you can keep a note going and continuously vary the pitch. Sustain a note, and record a loop with it. Keep holding the note with the overdub function on, so it starts to get nice and thick. At some point in the loop, slowly bend or whammy the note slightly out. Then slowly bring it back to the original pitch. Each time through the loop, bend the note a little bit differently at that same point. After a while, you end up with this loop where it sits statically on this dreadful, ugly, consonant sound, and then slowly diverges into a gloriously beautiful dissonance that makes the paint shrivel off the wall, and then slowly pulls back together into that ugly boring sound again. Tension and release, fun for all! It works to switch to some related pitch for the consonant part, like a fifth or octave, or a harmonic even. have fun, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 06:45:40 -0700 From: Francis Leach To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <31D92804.7D95@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BobbyZZZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/16/97 11:52:28 PM, you wrote: > > > > >Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music > >traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in > >the way there are with other musics about the world? > > > >kim > > hmmmmm, that's a good one kim. from all the enthnomusicology i absorbed > during my time in school, i would say yes, in the sense that many types of > asian and "oriental" musics do have a lot of repetition...and can also be > very mono-chromatic and harmonically static in some ways...Bob Phelps, are > you up for answering this one??? :-)_ > bobby devito/lvx novaI'm new to this newsgroup but am a looping composer and software writer...I've tried to find tradional (classical-Chinese such as ancient chinese opera, etc.) Chinese midi files on the Internet. Does anyone know a web site where this is possible? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:01:00 -0500 From: dmgraph@bway.net (David Myers) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-Id: <199703181456.JAA17443@nico.bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I've seen the Boomerang on sale for around $350 at Guitar Center, which is >about $150 to $200 more than the Echoplex (which doesn't come with its own >dedicated footpedal; that costs about $100 more). I think you mean "$150 to $200 *less* than the Echoplex".... BTW, since there's many Vortex enthusiasts here: does anyone have any ideas about electronic control of the morphing? I'd like to hook up a VCO instead of a footpedal for slow, hands-off A-B transitions. Asked Craig Anderton about it, and while he wasn't familiar with the Vortex (cripes, Craig...) he said that "if it is a matter of current control, an RCA 3080 might be used". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:09:06 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Francis Leach wrote: > > >Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music > > >traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in > > >the way there are with other musics about the world? > writer...I've tried to find tradional (classical-Chinese such as ancient > chinese opera, etc.) Chinese midi files on the Internet. Does anyone > know a web site where this is possible? Neither Chinese classical nor Chinese folk music are "loopy" musics, the way, say, Balinese music is. They're basically just-intonated pentatonic scale melodies, played with instruments that slur pitch. In this sense, they're more akin to the pentatonic folk music of various Celtic traditions. A Scots border song like "Matty Groves" has a similar structure. Instrumentally, both classical and folk Chinese music are percussion-heavy, and the percussion instruments tend toward tuned cymbals, which restate melodies along with the stringed instruments. The National Traditional Orchestra of China is currently touring the US. If you get a chance to see them, don't miss it. It's quite an experience, very different from a European orchestra. On the other hand, don't waste a lot of time looking to Chinese music to inspire your loops. It may inspire melodic structures, or different ways to attack notes, but it doesn't have much useful repetitive content for looping. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 08:19:57 -0700 From: Francis Leach To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <31D7EC9D.7AB0@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Stagner wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Francis Leach wrote: > > > > >Actually, that makes me wonder. I don't know much about Chinese music > > > >traditions. Does anyone know if there are any looping parallels there, in > > > >the way there are with other musics about the world? > > > writer...I've tried to find tradional (classical-Chinese such as ancient > > chinese opera, etc.) Chinese midi files on the Internet. Does anyone > > know a web site where this is possible? > > Neither Chinese classical nor Chinese folk music are "loopy" musics, > the way, say, Balinese music is. They're basically just-intonated > pentatonic scale melodies, played with instruments that slur pitch. > In this sense, they're more akin to the pentatonic folk music of > various Celtic traditions. A Scots border song like "Matty Groves" > has a similar structure. > > Instrumentally, both classical and folk Chinese music are > percussion-heavy, and the percussion instruments tend toward tuned > cymbals, which restate melodies along with the stringed instruments. > > The National Traditional Orchestra of China is currently touring the > US. If you get a chance to see them, don't miss it. It's quite an > experience, very different from a European orchestra. > > On the other hand, don't waste a lot of time looking to Chinese music > to inspire your loops. It may inspire melodic structures, or > different ways to attack notes, but it doesn't have much useful > repetitive content for looping. > > -dave > > By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. > Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. > Venus De Milo. > To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort Thanks for your letter, Charles Fort! I'm not "wasting time", as you called it, to look for midi files from China that produce something exactly or approximately like the classical music of China. I'm a composer using midi looping software that I wrote myself, and also was the consultant on a privately written piece of software made solely to loop with midi (the writer of the source code has been a very fine programmer working in that capacity for the IBM Corporation). By using my midi looping software, I wrote an Asian sounding (pentatonic) piece last year which was performed in a college concert to approximately 150 people, with a dancer dancing to it on stage. It was well received, and I'm so grateful to find this news group as my greatest pleasure if programming midi music (which of course, must have constraints in it's random feature, such as the pentatonic scale, for instance is a constraint . . . without such constraints (pure randomness) the music becomes boring.) Such music needs a balance between random features and "pattern". It is looping which makes the pattern aspect, actual both the patterned and the random aspect, possible! Francis Leach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:29:23 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Francis Leach wrote: > Thanks for your letter, Charles Fort! I'm not "wasting time", as you > called it, to look for midi files from China that produce something > exactly or approximately like the classical music of China. Ah, I see. Can your midi instruments do just intonation? Personally, I think playing just-intonated melodies on equal-temperment western instruments ruins them. It really grates on my ears. Then again, I listen to a lot of this stuff, so my standards are pretty high. If you can get the melodies down with just intonation, it can be very evocative. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:27:31 -0500 From: jspeer@haverford.edu To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: BIG BIG Loop event coming up! Message-Id: <199703181927.OAA17957@acc.haverford.edu> Hi people! It's finally arriving, the Philadelphia / Mid-Atlantic Loop Show, this Saturday. The show will present four loop acts, all from right here on Looper's Delight. I set this up for you guys. Hope you can make it! **** PHILADELPHIA / MID-ATLANTIC LOOP SHOW **** DATE / TIME: Saturday, March 22, 7:30 pm PLACE: LionFish Coffeehouse, 614 N. 2nd St., Philadelphia, PA (half a block north of Spring Garden St.) PHONE #: (215) 829-9103 E-MAIL ME FOR MORE INFO: jspeer@haverford.edu COVER: $5 LOOP SHOW WEB PAGE: http://atomsun.harvard.edu/broadside/loopshow.html The LionFish Coffeehouse and your host Jim Speer present four accomplished acts on the mid-Atlantic looped music scene. This special night showcases an evening of live improvised and composed looped music. For those interested in ambient and experimental music, this unique show is not to be missed! Come witness a broad range of looped-music compositional and improvisatory styles from: * Emergence of Man, from NJ (Chapman Stick, with flute and percussion - trio) * Fingerpaint, from Baltimore, MD (guitars and synths - duo) * Charles Cohen, from Philadelphia (Buchla Music Easel - solo) * Accidents Will Happen, from Newark, DE (gtr, bass, & drum - trio) Come on out for what I know will be a great evening, and you'll be supporting the worthy cause of experimental music in center city. ********************** My Town: Philadelphia! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: "A.S.P." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Dave Stagner wrote: > > Ah, I see. Can your midi instruments do just intonation? Personally, I believe any MIDI instrument that is capable of microtonal scales will handle just intonation. Many Yamaha synths have this feature, as do Ensoniq samplers (minus the Mirage). R> > I think playing just-intonated melodies on equal-temperment western > instruments ruins them. It really grates on my ears. Then again, I > listen to a lot of this stuff, so my standards are pretty high. > > If you can get the melodies down with just intonation, it can be very > evocative. > > -dave > > By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. > Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. > Venus De Milo. > To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:03:41 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: <332F032D.1A39@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm afraid I have to agree with Andre on the low sample rate of the 'Rang being its biggest drawback. I went into a store, looking to buy the B-rang as my number one choice. I liked the layout of the pedal and the fact that it was a one-piece unit AND the backwards loop thing (breaks my heart that the JamMan doesn't). I plugged it in, drooling copiously, using a sweet Hamer tele and an even sweeter VHT Pitbull combo (a very clean guitar and amp combination), and tried to layer a simple chord progression in fourths. The sound was just a bit too muddy for layering stuff. The quality of loops by themselves sound pretty cool in a low-fi sort of way. I just wish it was cleaner. Kim made a great suggestion a while back when I wrote much the same thing a while back- that the B-rang had a hugely long sample time, but a pretty low sampling rate. I would own one of those bad boys right now if I had half the sampling time and twice the sampling rate. Glad to see you are part of the list, Mike. Hope I put it politically enough. Trevor --------------------------------