------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) [ The Man Himself ] Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Jam Man Midi Question [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] You Rang? [ The Man Himself ] RE: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Performance Note, L.A. [ KRosser414@aol.com ] RE: Jam Man Midi Question [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ Dave Stagner ] Re: Performance Note, L.A. [ KILLINFO@aol.com ] Re: You asked for it, and now you ha [ Dave Stagner ] Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ mgsam@wave.net ] Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ mgsam@wave.net ] JamMan pedal for free (almost) [ "Ott, John" ] FS: Lexicon Vortex effects processor [ lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) ] Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) [ nyfac ] Secret Loop Show... This monday [ David Talento ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, David Myers wrote: > >I've seen the Boomerang on sale for around $350 at Guitar Center, which is > >about $150 to $200 more than the Echoplex (which doesn't come with its own > >dedicated footpedal; that costs about $100 more). > > I think you mean "$150 to $200 *less* than the Echoplex".... OOOOOPS! I did indeed mean that... Price I pay for writing posts at 11:30 PM, I guess. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 1997 15:54:49 -0700 From: "David Kwan" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: IRC Chat with David Torn Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Originally from Gary David of the Artist Shop:] >On Wednesday, March 26 at 9pm EST The Artist Shop will be hosting an IRC >Chat with experimental guitarist, sonic sculptor and producer David = Torn. >David has worked with the best in jazz and progressive music, including >David Sylvian, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Jansen/Barbieri/Karn, etc., as well as >creating his own incredible music on his solo albums and his groups like >Lonely Universe and Polytown. And ambient music is definitely in his >repertoire of sonic adventures given his love of loops. > >This chat will be on server on channel <#ArtistShop>. = >For full details, check out our IRC Page in The Artist Shop >. > >Gary > >************************************************************** > Gary Davis >The Artist Shop The Other Road >http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad@aol.com > SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! >************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:03:56 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: <332F3B7C.6D54@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nyfac wrote: > Kim made a great suggestion a while back when I wrote much the same > thing a while back- that the B-rang had a hugely long sample time, but a > pretty low sampling rate. I would own one of those bad boys right now > if I had half the sampling time and twice the sampling rate. > > Glad to see you are part of the list, Mike. Hope I put it politically > enough. Trevor, This group is nothing if not gentlemanly and gracious, unlike some other user groups I've visited where it seemed imperative that everyone convince the other that a certain guitar, amp, or artist was THE happening thing, and you were an idiot if you disagreed. I do take issue with one word: muddy. I regularly create 5 to 6 layer musical inventions with my electric guitar and/or GR-50 synth, and they sound very good to me. I have used my Boomerang with an acoustic guitar and with a mic to create percussion instrument loops; they too sound good. It is not CD quality sound, but neither is it muddy in my opinion. In another e-mail I mentioned an upcoming software release for the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, and Lee and I have discussed increasing the sample rate at that time. We have the ability to increase the sample rate, and are considering the trade off you mentioned: time and sample rate are inversely proporional. If one goes up, the other goes down. What would you guys like to see? Please tell me. I would dearly love to hear from you on this issue. On a highly related note, tell me how you use looping in your musical life: live performance, sound creation for recording, practice, song development, etc. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:32:29 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: <332F341D.987@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Man Himself wrote: > I should also add that since I've only given the Boomerang a cursory spin > in a music store, I don't claim 100% certainty on the above information; > since Mike "Motley" Nelson is on the list, I'll readily defer to him if > I'm in error regarding any of the above information. Actually, Andre, I feel your comments were fairly even handed and honest, and I thank you for that. We don't offer the deepest unit or have the highest sampling rate, but do offer a good sounding unit that has a lot of features for the money. Also, the Rang has a much longer recording time than the other loopers. We are planning a software release around June that will include selectable decay rates and some other useful features. > I've seen the Boomerang on sale for around $350 at Guitar Center, which is > about $150 to $200 more than the Echoplex (which doesn't come with its own > dedicated footpedal; that costs about $100 more). I know you meant the Rang is $150 to $200 "less" than the Echoplex, not "more". With the necessary pedal for the Echoplex the Rang is $250 to $300 less. And the standard Boomerang Phrase Sampler records for 32 seconds (1 minute on low sample rate), while the standard Echoplex records for 12 seconds. > Daniel Lanois apparently uses a Boomerang quite a bit; ... > Lanois makes several mentions of soundtrack work he's done based around a > guitar and a Boomerang pedal; I'd be interested to hear the results. Yeah, me too. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:06:39 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: BIG BIG Loop event coming up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >* Emergence of Man, from NJ (Chapman Stick, with flute and percussion - trio) >* Fingerpaint, from Baltimore, MD (guitars and synths - duo) >* Charles Cohen, from Philadelphia (Buchla Music Easel - solo) >* Accidents Will Happen, from Newark, DE (gtr, bass, & drum - trio) > Hi Jim, Will this be the order that we go on? It's fine with us.......also what time do we need to load in? Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 14:59:23 +1000 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com To: mnelson@crystalball.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: <"99866:1*"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day Motley, Please take this as a vote for less time/higher sample rate. From memory, the Boomerang gives you ~30 seconds at 32kHz with the base memory config; changing that to ...umm... e.g. ~20 seconds at 48kHz would be enough to convince me to buy one when I'm in the US again in May this year. Here's my criteria in choosing my (first) looper, which I'd guess would be pretty similar to a lot of other peoples'. For me, these are in decreasing order of importance: - sampling rate; must be CD-quality (44kHz) or close enough that I can hide it in a mix - cost (always close to the top!) - simplicity and capability of real time controls; preferably via MIDI - "extras" (backwards loop capability, cost/ease of expanding memory, speed/pitch changing capability, likelihood of surviving stage mishaps, etc.) The Boomerang wouldn't make my list due to sampling rate. It may well be good enough in real life (as you suggest), but I've got no way of testing that it would work for *me* at home, when I'm trying it out in a shop environment. Improve that and I'd be choosing between having MIDI control and some extra features (on the Echoplex), and saving $US150 or so to spend elsewhere on presents for my wife and child. As I'll be leaving my wife to look after our child for 2 weeks on her own while I'm travelling, guess which of these choices will be made for me...? Regards Dave Mitchell, in the heat of the Australian summer mnelson@crystalball.com/HP-Singapore/mimegw34 03/19/97 11:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com/HP-Singapore/mimegw34 @ SGP-GW1 cc: mnelson@crystalball.com/HP-Singapore/mimegw34 @ SGP-GW1 Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) nyfac wrote: > Kim made a great suggestion a while back when I wrote much the same > thing a while back- that the B-rang had a hugely long sample time, but a > pretty low sampling rate. I would own one of those bad boys right now > if I had half the sampling time and twice the sampling rate. > > Glad to see you are part of the list, Mike. Hope I put it politically > enough. Trevor, This group is nothing if not gentlemanly and gracious, unlike some other user groups I've visited where it seemed imperative that everyone convince the other that a certain guitar, amp, or artist was THE happening thing, and you were an idiot if you disagreed. I do take issue with one word: muddy. I regularly create 5 to 6 layer musical inventions with my electric guitar and/or GR-50 synth, and they sound very good to me. I have used my Boomerang with an acoustic guitar and with a mic to create percussion instrument loops; they too sound good. It is not CD quality sound, but neither is it muddy in my opinion. In another e-mail I mentioned an upcoming software release for the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, and Lee and I have discussed increasing the sample rate at that time. We have the ability to increase the sample rate, and are considering the trade off you mentioned: time and sample rate are inversely proporional. If one goes up, the other goes down. What would you guys like to see? Please tell me. I would dearly love to hear from you on this issue. On a highly related note, tell me how you use looping in your musical life: live performance, sound creation for recording, practice, song development, etc. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:04:10 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: You asked for it, and now you have it my friend! Message-ID: <332F57AA.2F5D@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What would you guys like to see? Please tell me. I would dearly love > to hear from you on this issue. On a highly related note, tell me how > you use looping in your musical life: live performance, sound creation > for recording, practice, song development, etc. Well, Mr. Nelson, I'm glad you asked! I would, and I think I speak for a lot of us here, would gladly trade sampling time for a higher sampling rate. One of the things I like a lot about the Rang is that half speed/twice sampling rate- Believe me, few enjoy get pitch shifted down and dirty like I do. A lower sampling rate can be a beautiful thing- witness the EMU SP-1200(?) that drum machine with 12(?) bit, 33khz (help me out here I you guys know this) sampling. Sounds fantastic. The hip-hop locals used to kill themselves trying to get one of those from Sam Ass (pun intended), and with good reason. The most fun I had with your pedal was with the lowest rate, making a god-awful racket. One other thing that I haven't seen in any of the unit (doesn't mean it's not there, however) is a clean split (hopefully unbuffered) from the back of the box- meaning that without futzing about with mixers, fx loops, what-have-you you could run a line into, say, a sansamp, and then into the PA (leaving your guitar/amp sound unblemished) without needing a splitter box . I had a traumatic experience with a Morley ABY box that has left me scarred for life :) Many have called me a sucker for thinking I can hear the effect of buffering in fx pedal, but I at least think it makes a difference. It bothered me enough to beg a friend of mine to build me the world's only totally passive effects looper box when I was using ten pedals at a time. Just as an aside, the massive impedence mismatch of crappy old footpedal never really bothered me all that much. Go figure. Anyway, those are my two cents. PS- what ever happened to all the talk about a loopers delight CD? I kind of wanted to hear some your collective work... Trev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:53:06 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Midi Question Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, At a rehearsal this evening Steev and I began to take control of our four jam men with MIDI. I changed the channel for receiving data as it specifies in the manual. I set up the commands I needed and then I read in the manual: Any changes made to channel assignment are temporary. Recognition of these messages on Channel 1 will be re-enabled on power-up. This means that every time I power up I will "temporarily" have to reset the channels.........jeezzzzz...at least it is in the manual .....Now I beg of you Lex rep's on the list to let me know if there is a way to over ride this and permanently assign a different channel. If not please forward this to the person who was possibly doing an upgrade. Many thanks, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: You Rang? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > What would you guys like to see? Please tell me. I would dearly love > to hear from you on this issue. My two main gripes with the Rang are the sample rate and the lack of a continuously variable feedback control. Count me in as someone who'd much rather have a shorter loop time with higher fidelity. Also, the feedback control issue is pretty important, as far as I'm concerned, because being able to continuously change it in the midst of a loop is a one of the crucial basic techniques involved in realt-time looping (at least as far as my own work has gone). Now, it *is* nice to have a feedback control that is automatically scaled back as newer layers are added -- this is a feature on a few Vortex patches, and it lends a very organic quality. But there are some applications where a continuously variable feeback scale just can't be beat. With regards to one of the proposed Rang updates, it would be cool to have a number of different feedback "scales" to choose from, but would a person be stuck with this after the loop has been engaged? If not, this could create an undesirably static quality in the loop at work. What about the possibility of setting the output level control in such a way that it can control more than one feature, i.e. could be switched between volume regulation and feedback control? That would be great, in my book. I was also a little discouraged that the pitch/speed change feature could only be engaged by stopping the loop, making the switch, and then starting it up again. I understand that there's a limit in terms of how many features can get their own dedicated footswitch, but I'd much rather have seen a single pedal dedicated to the pitch change, as opposed to, say, the one-shot playback function getting its own switch. Still, the Rang is the only one of the Big Three that can pull off that trick, and it's quite a cool one at that. These are about the only major suggestions I'd have. Even in it's present form, I think it's a really neat unit, and the live slant of the construction and the selectable input gain stages are particularly nice touches unique to the Rang. I'm glad to hear that a software upgrade is in the works as well. All for now, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:22:21 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: You Rang? Message-ID: <332F942D.12A5@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps the crack habit is addling my brains more than I had thought, but I was under the impression that I was switching between full and half speed, bringing things up and down an octave. Trev PS- the variable control feedback thingie is pretty critical. I would agree. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:04:12 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) Message-ID: <01BC343C.9BD2D920@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It would be very interesting to use the following LFO waveforms (in = addition to the usual sine and triangle waveforms) to electronically = control morphing on the Vortex: - Square - Sawtooth - Random Also, waveforms that morph each other might cause some interesting = effects. =20 Could a vocoder produce an acceptable signal to control the Vortex? Mark Kata mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: David Myers[SMTP:dmgraph@bway.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang (back attcha) (fwd) >I've seen the Boomerang on sale for around $350 at Guitar Center, which = is >about $150 to $200 more than the Echoplex (which doesn't come with its = own >dedicated footpedal; that costs about $100 more). I think you mean "$150 to $200 *less* than the Echoplex".... BTW, since there's many Vortex enthusiasts here: does anyone have any = ideas about electronic control of the morphing? I'd like to hook up a VCO instead of a footpedal for slow, hands-off A-B transitions. Asked Craig Anderton about it, and while he wasn't familiar with the Vortex (cripes, Craig...) he said that "if it is a matter of current control, an RCA = 3080 might be used". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: KRosser414@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Performance Note, L.A. Message-ID: <970319094012_1150789406@emout12.mail.aol.com> There will be a performance this Saturday, March 22 at Spaceland in the Silverlake area of Los Angeles featuring heavy looping content by myself and Nels Cline on guitars, Richard Derrick on bass and Bob Lee on drums. Ours is only one set of five or so that will be taking place, and others will feature more of Nels as well as Joe Baiza and their amazing Electro-Harmonix 16-second delays. Festivities start at 3:00 p.m. Feel free to e-mail me for more specific info. Thanks, Ken Rosser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:02:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Jam Man Midi Question Message-Id: <9703191431.AA15348@beryllium.lexicon.com> Hello Patrick et al, There is no non-volatile memory in the JAMMAN so there is no place to store a channel assignment. I will pass your comment on to the designers but I do not believe that it is possible to change this in the software. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:04:03 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wish sound quality were as simple as sample rates. Unfortunately, it ain't. Lots of PCM devices have very low sampling rates, but sound terrific (like the EH16 and the old DeltaLab delays). Other devices have high sampling rates and good specs, but sound like cold wet sand packed in your ears (anything by ART). And older Lexicon stuff like the Vortex and LXP-5 sound great, despite mediocre specs and sampling rate. It isn't just sampling rate, it's the overall quality of the A/D and D/A sections, and the digitizing technology used. Now, if the Boomerang actually *sounds* bad, that's one thing. But if it's just bad on paper, who cares? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:05:32 -0500 (EST) From: KILLINFO@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Performance Note, L.A. Message-ID: <970319110513_-1270774026@emout05.mail.aol.com> In Reply to Ken Rosser, If could be so kind as to do me a favor, please tell Nels Kline "Hullo" from Ted Killian (formerly up in Santa Barbara at Seymour Duncan). He's a great guy. Ask him to get in touch by email if you can. Ted Killian killinfo@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:19:26 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: You asked for it, and now you have it my friend! Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, nyfac wrote: > Many have called me a sucker for thinking I can hear the effect of > buffering in fx pedal, but I at least think it makes a difference. It > bothered me enough to beg a friend of mine to build me the world's only > totally passive effects looper box when I was using ten pedals at a > time. Makes perfect sense to me. It amazes me that some people will show such serious concern over the circuitry of their tube amps and guitar electronics, then run signal through buffers made from cheap op-amps and electrolytic capacitors. Impedance mismatch will introduce noise and roll off highs (like electric guitarists would care), but it won't add odd-order distortion or ruin dynamic range. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with a *well-made* buffer. It just needs to be built to the sort of standards we expect from amps and top-quality effects. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:33:49 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I wish sound quality were as simple as sample rates. Unfortunately, >it ain't. Lots of PCM devices have very low sampling rates, but sound >terrific (like the EH16 and the old DeltaLab delays). Other devices >have high sampling rates and good specs, but sound like cold wet sand >packed in your ears (anything by ART). And older Lexicon stuff like >the Vortex and LXP-5 sound great, despite mediocre specs and sampling >rate. > >It isn't just sampling rate, it's the overall quality of the A/D and >D/A sections, and the digitizing technology used. > >Now, if the Boomerang actually *sounds* bad, that's one thing. But if >it's just bad on paper, who cares? > >-dave > >By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. >Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. >Venus De Milo. >To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:33:53 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I wish sound quality were as simple as sample rates. Unfortunately, >it ain't... This is absolutely true. Sampling rate won't tell you if a piece of equipment sounds good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:33:22 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: JamMan pedal for free (almost) Message-ID: Greetings Loopy bunch I've been off the list. (my e-mail got moved to a new server and I guess the list server choked on that ) Anyway I'm back and with an offer. I picked up a Ground Control Midi Pedal over the weekend. Quite pleased. I can now get to all my Jamdude features in a non clunky fashion. Thanks to those on the list that recommended it. Anyway the footswitch that came with it is now gathering dust, so I'll let anyone that wants it for a second switch for their jamman have it for the cost of postage. First come first served. e-mail me privately later John PS. I really dig the Sling Blade soundtrack from Daniel Lanios, some cool loops on it. I think some looper recommended it. Thanks again. I finally saw the film last week Billy Bob Thorton was scary good, and Dwight Yokum as a drunken-failed-redneck-rocker was suprisingly good. John Ott Information Technology Manager Alliant Techsystems, Inc. Advanced Technology Applications 401 Defense Highway Annapolis MD 21401 (410) 266 1743 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Lexicon Vortex effects processor $105/bo Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" here's a nice little deal...hopefully someone'll want to snatch it up. >> From: casey@istart.com (Casey McCabe) >> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace >> Subject: FS: Lexicon Vortex effects processor $105/bo >> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:54:47 GMT >> >> For Sale: Lexicon Vortex effects processor $105 >> >> These once retailed for over $400. >> >> If interested, email me now at casey@istart.com good luck, Ryan ---- Ryan Blum "...to play 'Giant Steps' because you can seems lowfrqcy@west.net ridiculous to me. I went through that, but I was 14 years old." - John Medeski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:18:08 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) Message-ID: <33315530.7D92@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John- How do you like the ground control pedal? There has been one on sale in the guitar shop by my office for a while, and I think I should be able to get it cheap. Are the control pedals on it responsive enough? Trev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: David Talento To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Secret Loop Show... This monday Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My band Overdrive Date Master will be playing an unannouced set this monday night (3/24) at Upstairs at Nicks in Phila, pa. (16 S 2nd st). We normally use everything from toy monkeys and megaphones to an obie echoplex (fed with cassette source material), analogue synths, dualing theremins, etc etc. This show will concentrate on our new system of tape loops on 8tracks as well as the Chordorama which is a 8track looping footpedal device similar to the biotron and mellotron. Also in attendance will be some Wolensak Reel to reels and other nonsense. Our set will start around 9:30-10 making it an early night. Check out the web page (below) for more info on ODM and such stuff. -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available next month: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! --------------------------------