------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 45 Today's Topics: Ground Contral q&a [ "Ott, John" ] Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) [ mgsam@wave.net ] RE: JamMan pedal for free (almost) [ "Ott, John" ] Boomerang review [ "Hartnett, Travis" ] RE: Ground Contral q&a [ "Ott, John" ] RE: Ground Contral q&a [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Ground Contral q&a [ "James Reynolds" ] RE: Ground Contral q&a [ "Ott, John" ] Re: Ground Contral q&a [ nyfac ] Re: Living on a rock [ Aviansongs@aol.com ] RE: JamMan pedal for free (almost) [ mgsam@wave.net ] echoplex manual [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ] SF Bay Area mixer mods? [ Sean Echevarria ] New Roland Guitar Synth - Reactions? [ PainPete@aol.com ] Upgrade??? [ efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:39:43 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Ground Contral q&a Message-ID: >> >---------- >From: nyfac >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 3:18 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) > >John- > >How do you like the ground control pedal? There has been one on sale in >the guitar shop by my office for a while, and I think I should be able >to get it cheap. > >Are the control pedals on it responsive enough? > > >Trev > << I like it. I haven't programmed it yet to get all the program changes I use in one bank, but using the default setup was pretty much plug and play. The foot switches don't have a lot of "feel" but I've got used to it pretty quickly. The program changes messages go out very quickly no noticeable delay. I got mine at Washington Music Center in Wheaton MD (outside DC) They quoted me a price based on the version 1.0 units they had and gave me the same price when they got some with 2.4 software even thought their cost went up. Their new price for the 2.4 version is $221 plus $6 for a MIDI cable. You need version 2.x to send the same program change message twice in row. (like two taps) Version 1.x software filters out what it believes are redundant program change messages. I don't know if you can get a ROM upgrade for a version 1.x pedal. Anyone know the answer to that? They'll ship and you can get a quote by sending email to sales@wmcworld.com. or check their web page at www.wmcworld.com. later >john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:29:34 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yo: John, I WANT that peddle. Kevin Cooney 1280 Madrone St. Ashland, Oregon 97520. Also, what kind of midi controller did you get for your jamman? Where did you get it and how well does the thing work. My loop head partner and I play live and we are VERY interested in the midi option. Best, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:18:03 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: JamMan pedal for free (almost) Message-ID: >---------- >From: mgsam@wave.net >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 5:29 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: JamMan pedal for free (almost) > >Yo: > >John, I WANT that peddle. > >Kevin Cooney >1280 Madrone St. >Ashland, Oregon 97520. > >Also, what kind of midi controller did you get for your jamman? Where did >you get it and how well does the thing work. My loop head partner and I >play live and we are VERY interested in the midi option. > >Best, >Kevin > Sorry You were fourth to reply. I got a ground control midi pedal from Washington Music Center in Wheaton Maryland. Midi is the only way to get at loop fade functions on the jamman. You need version 2.x of the software because the 1.x version considers two program changes in a row redundant (like two taps) I got a version 2.4 pedal , current price is $221 plus $6 for cable. They'll ship if you can't make it to the store. You can request a quote by sending email to sales@wmcworld.com or check out the web page at www.wmcworld.com. good luck sorry about the free footswitch John > > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 1997 12:39:39 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: Boomerang review Message-ID: Lots of talk about the Boomerang recently--here's what Guitar Player had to say about it: from Guitar Player, 10/96 The Boomerang Phrase Sampler by Joe Gore Not long ago loop-crazed guitarists bled top dollar for discontinued devices like the Electro-Harmonix 16-Second Delay or hotrodded Lexicon PCM-42s. Then Lexicon and Oberheim filled the long-delay void with, respectively the JamMan and the Echoplex Digital Pro, rack mountable units that offer formidable looping features at prices far below those of more elaborate signal processors from the like likes of T.C. Electronic and Eventide. The Echoplex is definitely the deeper of the units, though it costs almost twice as much as the nifty-in-its-own-right JamMan. And now thereıs a third contender: the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. It may be the price/performance winner--if its simplified but stage-friendly features fulfill your sampling/looping needs. (If youıre unclear whether you have sampling and looping needs, see last monthıs issue [8/96], in which loop addict David Torn discusses the technique and analyzes its attendant hardware. First, the Boomerangıs limitations: None of the devices in question remembers your loops after power-down, but the Echoplex and JamMan allow you to select between multiple loops during recording and playback. The Boomerang is strictly a one-shot device, though it too allows infinite overdubs. Its maximum sample rate is 16kHz, lower than the Lexicon or Oberheim, albeit perfectly adequate for most electric guitar applications, especially live ones. The Boomerang lacks spiffy features like the Oberheimıs undo operation and ability to craft overdubs longer than the initial loop, the Lexiconıs tap-tempo delay, or either deviceıs MIDI sync capabilities. The Boomerangıs strength is simplicity. Unlike its two competitors, itıs a self contained floor unit--no rack stuff, no remote pedals. The 5.5²x17.5² metal housing seems genuinely roadworthy, though the wall-wart adaptor is a bummer. Five sturdy foot switches trigger most functions, which are illuminated by big LEDs. Like the other boxes, you can select between infinite looping and single playback. As on the Oberheim, you can reverse any loop (the Lexicon only reverses in single-playback mode). The Boomerang also does a few tricks neither competitor can boast. A ³thru mute² foot switch removes your direct signal form the outputs, so you can silently initiate a loop for subsequent unleashing. With thru mute engaged, you can literally create backwards guitar is real time. A half-speed option lets you replay your samples an octave down, or record them slow and then shift into double-time--handy for learning and transcribing. (Low speed doubles your total sampling time, but at a halved sampling rate--i.e., with noticeable loss of high-end definition.) One particularly inspired feature is an output-level ³foot roller,² a big potentiometer with a textured rubber surface readily regulated by toe. You can fade any sample in or out--way smart. Of the current looper-samplers, the Boomerang is the easiest to use. If you plan to manipulate just one loop at a time and donıt seek pristine sonic results when applying the device to sources that withstand relatively low sample rates less readily than do electric guitars (acoustic guitars, voices, pianos, the sound of wall-warts being hurled through plate glass windows), this may be the top pick. It lists for $459, the same as the JamMan. At that price, the Boomerang offers 30 seconds of sampling at workable sound quality (60 seconds at lo-fi slow speed), as opposed to the JamManıs superb-sounding eight seconds. (For about $140 more, you can expand to 120/240 seconds. The JamMan expands to 32 seconds for about the same price. The Echoplex delivers 12.5 hi-fi seconds at its $879 base price, or 50 seconds for $1,295.) The Boomerang is neither the deepest nor the best-sounding option, but, depending on your needs, it may be the smartest one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:26:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Ground Contral q&a Message-Id: <9703201917.AA23430@beryllium.lexicon.com> About the DMC Ground Control John said:"You need version 2.x to send the same program change message twice in row. (like two taps) Version 1.x software filters out what it believes are redundant program change messages. I don't know if you can get a ROM upgrade for a version 1.x pedal. And asked: "Anyone know the answer to that?" The answer is yes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:07:04 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Ground Contral q&a Message-ID: >---------- >From: Hogan, Greg >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 5:26 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: RE: Ground Contral q&a > > >About the DMC Ground Control John said:"You need version 2.x to send the >same program change message twice in row. (like two taps) Version 1.x >software filters out what it believes are redundant program change >messages. I don't know if you can get a ROM upgrade for a version 1.x >pedal. > >And asked: "Anyone know the answer to that?" > >The answer is yes. > < Do you know details, such as $cost, how easy to do? There might be some 1.x units, (I 've seen some store demo units) that might be had rather cheaply and then upgraded for less than a new ground control. I know you don't speak for Digital Music Corp., Greg, just wondering if you knew more details thanks John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:52:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Ground Contral q&a Message-Id: <9703202205.AA24409@beryllium.lexicon.com> Hello, I do not know any of the details on upgrading a Ground Control but Digital Music Corporations phone # is 818-991-3881 and their FAX # is 818-991-4185. Best regards, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:12:27 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Ground Contral q&a Message-Id: <199703202227.OAA28142@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit about the ground control upgrade: > Do you know details, such as $cost, how easy to do? > There might be some 1.x units, (I 've seen some > store demo units) that might be had rather cheaply > and then upgraded for less than a new ground control. > from an exchange i had with dmc's josh fiden: >the ground control upgrade is $20+3.50(shipping). unless you're in >california, of course, inwhich case you must add $1.65 for tax. > >you can mail us a check for $23.50. or you can call or e-mail a visa or >mastercard number, including expiration and the name as it appears on the >card. don't forget to include your shipping address. their number is 818 991 3881 (you won't find it in the manual). address: 5312-J Derry Avenue Agoura Hills, CA 91301 there's also a memory upgrade (!) for another 20 bucks, that lets you store 360 patches! (each patch can send out up to 8 simultaneous program change messages to 8 devices, and can be given an alphanumeric name). trev: the pedals feel like a slightly more robust version of a DOD stomp box - i like it, you can feel them "tap". digital music corp has a web page which was pretty minimal last time i looked: http://www.voodoolab.com james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:26:35 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Ground Contral q&a Message-ID: > >---------- >From: James Reynolds >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 10:12 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: Ground Contral q&a > >about the ground control upgrade: >> Do you know details, such as $cost, how easy to do? >> There might be some 1.x units, (I 've seen some >> store demo units) that might be had rather cheaply >> and then upgraded for less than a new ground control. >> > >from an exchange i had with dmc's josh fiden: > >>the ground control upgrade is $20+3.50(shipping). unless you're in >>california, of course, inwhich case you must add $1.65 for tax. >> >>you can mail us a check for $23.50. or you can call or e-mail a visa or >>mastercard number, including expiration and the name as it appears on the >>card. don't forget to include your shipping address. > >their number is 818 991 3881 (you won't find it in the manual). >address: >5312-J Derry Avenue >Agoura Hills, CA 91301 < So if you can get a version 1.x clearance or demo for under 200 plus the upgrade would be about the same cost as a new one. So if you can talk a salesman into giving you a demo 1.x for around 150 bucks you'd have a worthwhile deal. I priced a new 1.x at 209 so that would not match a new 2.4 at 221 > > >there's also a memory upgrade (!) for another 20 bucks, that lets you store >360 patches! (each patch can send out up to 8 simultaneous program change >messages to 8 devices, and can be given an alphanumeric name). > >trev: the pedals feel like a slightly more robust version of a DOD stomp >box - i like it, you can feel them "tap". > >digital music corp has a web page which was pretty minimal last time i >looked: >http://www.voodoolab.com > >james < Thanks for the info and the web link, James I'll check it out. later >John > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:14:19 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Contral q&a Message-ID: <3331B6BB.3CBF@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hogan, Greg wrote: > > About the DMC Ground Control John said:"You need version 2.x to send the > same program change message twice in row. (like two taps) Version 1.x > software filters out what it believes are redundant program change > messages. I don't know if you can get a ROM upgrade for a version 1.x > pedal. > > And asked: "Anyone know the answer to that?" > > The answer is yes. I just bought one for $20 from them. Their number is 818-991-3881. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 01:50:48 -0500 (EST) From: Aviansongs@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Living on a rock Message-ID: <970321015048_1614693001@emout20.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-03-18 16:12:11 EST, you write: > I believe any MIDI instrument that is capable of microtonal scales will > handle just intonation. Many Yamaha synths have this feature, as do > Ensoniq samplers (minus the Mirage). Actually there is a third party OS for the Mirage that utilizes Just Intonation. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:38:02 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: JamMan pedal for free (almost) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks John... Yeah, I'm definitly interested in going midi...so your pedal was not a big deal. Best, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:39:00 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex manual Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lot's of people have asked me if I could somehow get them a copy of the echoplex manual. I've put the project off forever, but I've finally done it! I guess enough people finally asked for the realization to dawn that doing it would take less time than telling everyone that I will be doing it someday.... Plus, Travis Hartnett got me thinking about it, since he is currently working on a project to bring us the Vortex and Jamman manuals as well. Plus, some old ads from guitar player and a bunch of reviews. That should be a great addition to site, and I thank Travis in advance for taking this on! The plex manual is a pdf file, and is linked from the echoplex page on Looper's Delight: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html enjoy.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:10:03 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SF Bay Area mixer mods? Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970323000954.007fb6e0@pure.pureatria.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody know of anyone that can do mixer modifications? I have a Roland M-240. It has 3 post-fader sends and 1 pre/post switchable send. I'd like the 3 post-fader sends to be pre-fader or switchable with the fourth send. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:39:12 -0800 (PST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex manual Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know how far Travis is on the vortex manual project. But I've got a scanned version I did while back for another looper who had one with no manual. I don't want to get into any copyright problems with Lexicon (Thoughts Greg?), but I could make this available. Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 12:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: PainPete@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Roland Guitar Synth - Reactions? Message-ID: <970323122632_-1102874806@emout16.mail.aol.com> ( Sorry I'm missing the model # ) - Has anyone heard this unit? I've heard that it actually builds waveforms upon the signal of the guitar itself, no simple triggering (I am not speaking within my expertise here, so forgive me if this is wrong somehow). I guess it uses the new physical modeling approach. Would anyone care to venture an opinion? (I ask because I'm waiting for the ultimate guitar synth to do loops with!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:01:13 -0800 From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Upgrade??? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What a great web page! I did the resistor mod for the Echoplex I/O circuit and it works great. Does anyone have any info on when the Echoplex software upgrade will be available? The polyester salesman I talked to at the NAMM show had NO clue. The gate on the input is driving me nuts and I'm hoping the upgrade will solve this. I'm also curious as to whether or not there will be any real time midi control over delay time (specifically for pitch shifting loops) in this or future upgrades. Feel free to email me directly. Thanks for your time - Eric R. Fischer L.A. Ca --------------------------------