------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 48 Today's Topics: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ BobbyZZZ@aol.com ] Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ Roland Eberle ] Anybody have any answers... [ nyfac ] Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sampl [ David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1. ] Re: wake up! [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 [ BobbyZZZ@aol.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: <970325121745_-1471183237@emout03.mail.aol.com> take cover, the boomerang vs the echoplex war has begun :-) i have tried both, and will be going with the 'plex, for two reasons: 1. MIDI sync capability 2. Audio quality look out whenever we get our live show together! hopefully wherever we tour we can count on all of you loopers to come out and do shows with us...we would love to see and hear you all, and will of course have laptops on the road with us, so i will keep the list informed of our tour dates well in advance so we can plan some shows! bobby devito/lvx nova http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:53:53 -0800 From: Roland Eberle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: <33381131.617C@sj.bigger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BobbyZZZ@aol.com wrote: > > take cover, the boomerang vs the echoplex war has begun :-) If we're switching from car to war analogies...and lets say we want to keep it in Germany... Then it's 1939.....Echoplex = German Army Boomerang = Poland And perhaps the Allied Armies are now assembling the SuperLooper to defeat those nasty Nazi's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:09:04 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Unless you are only interested in "clowdy" music, I think one loop with > lots of overdubs with good quality serves a lot more than two unsyced with > limited audio quality (I never tried a Rang, but I can imagine more or > less) ..............I'm interested in both control and a certain divine random quality. So, I've just ordered a plex to talk with my Rang and jamfella. This war has really whet my appetite to do a side-by-side...and I love making visa happy. I just came onto the list and may have missed this particular facet, but...what's the plex's max loop time? I find the jamaholic's 32 second limit much too, uh, limiting compared to the Rang. > The feature that made me spend years of my life to build the machine were > FeedBack with good resolution up to exactly infinite repetition, Mulitiply, > Brother Sync and Undo. Maybe this is not the place to explain what they do. > Those are the fundamental ones. ......................................I was just talking to Mike Nelson of Boomerang and he told me, not secretly, that there are software (read: feature) updates due in the next few months and that current owners will be able to upgrade for a nominal charge. Unfortunately, "undo" is still not in the works. At the moment, that's one of the key features that lure me to the plex. Question: Can someone tell me a bit more about the interface controls with the plex, the switches or whatever? If this info is already in the archive somewhere, just say so and I'll look there. I didn't see such a real description at the Oberheim website. thanks...another kim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:13:30 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Roland Eberle cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > And perhaps the Allied Armies are now assembling the SuperLooper to > defeat those nasty Nazi's ........For the sake of all the artist/refuges, we can only hope. As long as it's not AT&T. I can't stand any more telemarketing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:16:41 EST From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Mic pre and DI's was (Re: Mixer suggestion) Message-ID: <19970325.141801.3766.0.zenchi@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:04:16 -0600 "Ott, John" writes: >> >I plan to use some unreplaceable pedals in the straight guitar loop >and run the VG-8 outputs into a Vortex and stereo mic pre > (any suggestions?) to feed a p.a. > >< >I use a Mackie 1202VLZ, love it. >My guitar signal goes to an Digitech RP-6 >and I use it's cabinet simulator >to send a stereo signal to the Mackie. > [Big snip of rig info from John Ott] Thanks for the suggestion John, but that is way more complex than I need. All I want is something that will take the 1/4" outs of the VG-8 (or processor) and convert them to XLRs. I'm thinking primarily about the tube mic preamps from Digitech, Peavey and Rocktron. But I'm interested in any items you folks recommend. The same goes for two channel tube DI's. Thanks in advance for the input. Robert Williams DERISION ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:49:29 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mic pre and DI's was (Re: Mixer suggestion) Message-ID: <33383A59.50@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert- I have a Rolls stereo tube pre-amp that does just that, all though I don't really recommend it. There is another tube pre that does essentially the same thing, costs 50% more but is rumored to sound quite good. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:06:09 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Anybody have any answers... Message-ID: <33383E41.44A3@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I posted this a while ago, and nobody has imparted any sage advice in my general direction. Just in case this didn't get sent, here it is again... "For the first time last night, I ran my JamMan through the effects loop of my amp rather than feeding it from the pre-amp out and plugging the output of the JamMan into another amp or PA and strange things happened... I would hit an exceptionally loud note (in echo mode) which would cause the input light to flicker red. Instead of getting the usual obnoxious digital clip, the unit started this weird subatomic clicking sound. I was however dismayed to find that while the clicking could be sped up with the triplet/quarter note echo setting, I could not record onto it, or get my straight signal through the JM (because I am not one to waste an obnoxious sound when I find one). Anyone have this happen to them?" At first I thought this might be RF (or something) interference from the poorly shielded cables I was using (hey, they were handy) so I switched them and I still got the weird artifacts. I don't know if I said this clearly enough, but I got this runnaway, and then the whole unit, for all intents and purposes shut down (aside from the triplet/quarter note thing). Does anyone run a JamLady thru their effects loop on an amp, straight up, no chaser? Is their any good reason why no-one does? I wonder if anyone here has tried to do that here since it seems most use their loopers in conjunction with fifteen fx processors, 2 two mackie 8bus consoles, a cuisinart... Thanks, Low-Tech Trev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 11:05:07 +1000 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com To: Loopers-Delight@Annihilist.Com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: <"102642:1*"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day everyone, Thanks again for the replies. I honestly didn't intend to start an Echoplex vs. Boomerang holy war. The info you've all posted about the Echoplex and the Boomerang has made things a bit clearer. Unfortunately, here in Australia, music stores don't carry "unusual" items that won't race off the shelves, so I have never had the chance to try these things out for myself. Buying lefty guitars When I next visit the US in May, I'll be armed with enough info to know what to do in trying out this gear. Dave Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:04:59 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <3338682B.1F25@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias, The Boomerang Phrase Sampler has no sync capability, so we strive to make our loops accurate. Of course without sync they will always drift apart because we can't tap with micro-second accuracy. I view my part as secondary to the bass part, so I pay attention and if my loop gets too far off, I simply restart it on time. I know this is decidedly low tech, so we are cataloging comments and ideas on syncing for "son of Boomerang", which is currently nothing more than a fantasy, a fantasy, ysatnaf a, ysatnaf a ... We left MIDI out of the Rang to help keep the cost down and we felt that the majority of users didn't require sync capabilities. This is proving to be correct. We do realize that more advanced and adventurous loop scapers may want to sync several pieces of equipment. Maybe "sob" will sync. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:09:13 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: <33386929.2C9E@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dave Mitchell said > > >...I'd be choosing between having MIDI control > >and some extra features (on the Echoplex), and saving $US150 or so ... I don't think $150 is realistic. When you get the Plex, the optional foot switch, and fill it with some extra memory to get up to 30 seconds sampling time, the difference is more like $350. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:16:00 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-ID: <33386AC0.7E47@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BobbyZZZ@aol.com wrote: > > take cover, the boomerang vs the echoplex war has begun :-) No wars, just dialog, right Matthias. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:40:28 EST From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mixer suggestion) Message-ID: <19970325.174200.7214.0.zenchi@juno.com> On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:49:29 -0500 nyfac writes: >Robert- > >I have a Rolls stereo tube pre-amp that does just that, all though I >don't really recommend it. There is another tube pre that does >essentially the same thing, costs 50% more but is rumored to sound >quite good. > Trev: Thanks for the reply, and who makes the tube pre in question? Robert Williams DERISION ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:34:52 -0800 From: fred marshall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anybody have any answers... Message-ID: <3338A74B.434D@fredmarshall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nyfac wrote: > > I posted this a while ago, and nobody has imparted any sage advice in my > general direction. > > Just in case this didn't get sent, here it is again... > > "For the first time last night, I ran my JamMan through the effects loop > of my amp rather than feeding it from the pre-amp out and plugging the > output of the JamMan into another amp or PA and strange things > happened... > > I would hit an exceptionally loud note (in echo mode) which would cause > the input light to flicker red. Instead of getting the usual obnoxious > digital clip, the unit started this weird subatomic clicking sound. I > was however dismayed to find that while the clicking could be sped up > with the triplet/quarter note echo setting, I could not record onto it, > or get my straight signal through the JM (because I am not one to waste > an obnoxious sound when I find one). Anyone have this happen to them?" > > At first I thought this might be RF (or something) interference from the > poorly shielded cables I was using (hey, they were handy) so I switched > them and I still got the weird artifacts. > > I don't know if I said this clearly enough, but I got this runnaway, and > then the whole unit, for all intents and purposes shut down (aside from > the triplet/quarter note thing). > > Does anyone run a JamLady thru their effects loop on an amp, straight > up, no chaser? Is their any good reason why no-one does? > > I wonder if anyone here has tried to do that here since it seems most > use their loopers in conjunction with fifteen fx processors, 2 two > mackie 8bus consoles, a cuisinart... > > Thanks, > > Low-Tech Trev answer: don't do that mmmmmmmmmmm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:24:43 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Unless you are only interested in "clowdy" music, I think one loop with >> lots of overdubs with good quality serves a lot more than two unsyced with >> limited audio quality (I never tried a Rang, but I can imagine more or >> less) >..............I'm interested in both control and a certain divine random >quality. So, I've just ordered a plex to talk with my Rang and jamfella. >This war has really whet my appetite to do a side-by-side...and I love >making visa happy. I just came onto the list and may have missed this >particular facet, but...what's the plex's max loop time? I find the >jamaholic's 32 second limit much too, uh, limiting compared to the Rang. Max loop time on the echoplex is 200 seconds. The memory used in the echoplex is so cheap now that the full expansion costs between $80 and $100. The simms used are available just about everywhere. The memory in the plex can be used for more than just really, really long loops. (sort of boring to me, really). You can divide it into multiple loops, and the more memory you have, the more undo's you have available. > >> The feature that made me spend years of my life to build the machine were >> FeedBack with good resolution up to exactly infinite repetition, Mulitiply, >> Brother Sync and Undo. Maybe this is not the place to explain what they do. >> Those are the fundamental ones. >......................................I was just talking to Mike Nelson >of Boomerang and he told me, not secretly, that there are software (read: >feature) updates due in the next few months and that current owners will >be able to upgrade for a nominal charge. Unfortunately, "undo" is still >not in the works. At the moment, that's one of the key features that >lure me to the plex. Question: Can someone tell me a bit more about the >interface controls with the plex, the switches or whatever? If this info >is already in the archive somewhere, just say so and I'll look there. I >didn't see such a real description at the Oberheim website. > >thanks...another kim. The whole Echoplex manual is on the Looper's web site. Take a look at that, and feel free to ask if you still have questions.....' kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:46:53 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: fred@fredmarshall.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anybody have any answers... Message-ID: <3338C65D.600C@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have modest gear: homemade Strat into a volume pedal to- a ProCo Rat R2DU (basically 2 Rats in a rack unit) to- a Vortex to- a Digitech 2 second delay stompbox to- a JamMan Usually, I run all this shit in front of my amp (a Carvin ProBass 300 and a homemade 1x15 cabinet) but I've tried it with just the guitar to the volume pedal and then into the amp, with the other effects in the amp's effects loop. I haven't experienced freaky evil sounds doing this, I've just had to alter the levels on the inputs of the Vortex & JamMan and on the outputs of the distortion. I don't use the effects loop much because I usually just bring my rack o' toys to gigs and depend on the PA for all my amplification, but I don't see why there should be evil noise from putting the Jamster in the effects loop of an amp. Just be sure you're using the correct input & output on the Jammer. Just my $.02, hope it helps. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:51:15 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: an exciting new look for Looper's Delight Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Looper's Delight site has a brand new look! Courtesy of Pat Kirtley, who has done a wonderful job of redesigning our home page. Much better than the boring design I had. The logo that Tom Attix did for us looks great against the new background! Thanks a lot Pat! And of course, Michael Peters has diligently sent me several new profile pages over the past month or so, which have languished in my to-do directory. I've finally put the latest one up on the page, so you may all peruse each other at will. For those of you not yet profiled on loopers delight, send your specs and measurements to Michael Peters <100041.247@CompuServe.COM>, so he can add you in there. Be sure to check the profiles page to learn which info-shards to provide. And once again, thanks Michael for the great work. For those of you new folks who might not know, Looper's Delight is really a collective effort. Lots of people have made contributions to help make it a great site. Any and all help is always welcomed! Right now I'm feeling totally guilty for not creating a huge tribute page to acknowledge everyone who's pitched in. All of your help is very much appreciated, because this whole thing would really suck if I was the only one doing the work! A credits page is high on the priority list, so you all can get your names in blinking web graphics.... thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) From: Aviansongs@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mixer suggestion Message-ID: <970326172526_1218506567@emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-03-24 14:55:02 EST, you write: > I use a Mackie 1202VLZ, love it. > My guitar signal goes to an Digitech RP-6 > and I use it's cabinet simulator > to send a stereo signal to the Mackie. > My JamMan is on the Aux 1 out/return loop. > Then I use the Aux 2 out to feed a Fender amp. > Tape out and in go to my hard disk recording system > (Mac with Deck II) Then the main outs got to the PA amplifier > It also has a headphone and control room send with > a fader. The aux returns have faders also. > I also bring in two keyboards and microphones to the Mackie. > (It has four XLR inputs with preamps for the first four > channels (mono) also each channel has line level > 1/4 jack inputs, The last four channels are stereo line/level > (no preamps) 1/4 inch inputs) The Mackie was recommended to me by > a trumpet player friend who likes the preamps. > They are sweet but I like the Mackie for its flexibility. > I can control how much of each channel I send to the > JamMan with the aux 1 send faders on each channel. > Each channel also has three band eq. It's rack mountable > if you need that. I'm using mine in a home studio > so It's on a desk next to Mac. > You can get one for about 310-350 bucks if you check > around. I love this mixer. If you need more inputs, check out the 1402VLZ. If you need more inputs and more sends, check out the 1604VLZ, or the LM3204. If you can find an original 1202, or 1604, you can probably get a really good deal on them. However, make sure that you can live without the extra options on the VLZ series. Take care, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: rpeck@PureAtria.COM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: You asked for it, and now you have it my friend! Message-Id: <199703262337.PAA23641@pure.PureAtria.COM> nyfac2@nyfac.com writes: >PS- what ever happened to all the talk about a loopers delight CD? I >kind of wanted to hear some your collective work... Sorry for the delay in response. Contributions have been trickling in, and going into a big paper bag in my office. I think I've now got enough to make a reasonably-long disk, and will be getting on that soon. Stay tuned. (contributors may note that the dough they sent me, in some cases months ago, is *also* in that big brown paper bag, so do not despair) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "As to guaranteeing bank deposits, the minute the government starts to do that... the government runs into a probable loss. We do not wish to make the United States Government liable for the mistakes and errors of individual banks, and put a premium on sound banking in the future." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 97 02:30:49 EST From: Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServe.COM> To: Stickwire , "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Teed at Jupiter Message-ID: <970327073048_74164.3703_GHP59-1@CompuServe.COM> Hello Stickists and/or Loopers, I've managed to find some time between Graduate studies and Festival of Harps stuff to do a solo Gig with my Digital Echoplex: April 3 from 8:00 to 10:00 at Jupiter at 2181 Shattuck in Berkeley. I'll be doing some harder edged jazz-flavored things for an audience used to Peter Apfelbaum and Charley Hunter, so it will be something new for me. If any of you show up, stop by and say hi. There's no cover, great draft beer and food, and a lovely outdoor garden. If you want to hear a sample of what I'll be doing, you can download sound from my Website at www.traktor.com/presents/teed I'll also be doing a concert on April 26 at Open Secret in San Rafael with Sitar, Bass, and Tabla,but I'll post more on that later. Teed Rockwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:51:32 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang: sample time vs. sample rate Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" someone ironized: >> take cover, the boomerang vs the echoplex war has begun :-) Mr. Nelson defined: > No wars, just dialog, right Matthias. Oh sure! I heard some strange noises like as if somebody got it wrong... If there was a war, I simply would not go. How are you, by the way? Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:02:13 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Matthias, > The Boomerang Phrase Sampler has no sync capability, so we strive to >make our loops accurate. Of course without sync they will always drift >apart because we can't tap with micro-second accuracy. I view my part as >secondary to the bass part, so I pay attention and if my loop gets too >far off, I simply restart it on time. I see, you can restart. That makes it. If you restart often enough, you never get out of sync... and never away from the foot pedal :-) ... could that be fed from outside, from an audio source or so, somehow? > We left MIDI out of the Rang to help keep the cost down and we felt >that the majority of users didn't require sync capabilities. This is >proving to be correct. We do realize that more advanced and adventurous >loop scapers may want to sync several pieces of equipment. Maybe "sob" >will sync. Yes, it does not need to be MIDI. BrotherSync is better for looping, and if we can expand it to "NephewSync" for a Sob-Plex joint... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:01:17 +0000 From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Message-ID: <00023220.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April 10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm(lunch time) Anyone who can make it is most welcome - its free (I dont get paid!) Contact me direct for further details. Cheers David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:27:53 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Message-ID: <01BC3AAA.4B98FCE0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is somewhat off topic, but since there have been quite a few posts = about mixers, I'll ask. I'm forming an eight-piece Top 40 band (guitar, bass, electronic & = acoustic drums, keyboard, three horns and a female vocalist) and I'm = considering running my guitar from a SansAmp PSA-1 preamp (with a volume = pedal and a Vortex) directly into the mixer. I don't want to use a = speaker cabinet or power amp. Does anyone have experience with this kind of a setup? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com p.s. I plan to slip in a loop here and there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:40:11 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Stage monitors Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Mark Kata wrote: > I'm forming an eight-piece Top 40 band (guitar, bass, electronic & > acoustic drums, keyboard, three horns and a female vocalist) and I'm > considering running my guitar from a SansAmp PSA-1 preamp (with a > volume pedal and a Vortex) directly into the mixer. I don't want to > use a speaker cabinet or power amp. How about this? Go direct to the board, but also keep a separate amp on stage for a personal monitor. With that many pieces on stage, you'll probably have lots of problems hearing yourself through the monitors alone. With a private monitor, you can hear yourself clearly, while still getting the advantages of going directly to the board. Forget using a guitar amp. Use a small PA system of your own, something accurate. Guitar amps will just muck up your monitor sound. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Message-ID: <970327132930_2097013546@emout02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/97 12:38:14 PM, you wrote: >Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm(lunch >time) > >Anyone who can make it is most welcome - its free (I dont get paid!) > >Contact me direct for further details. > >Cheers hi all! i just wanted to mention that i really enjoyed david orton's cassette he sent me in exchange for the LVX NOVA CD. very cool looping music, reminiscent of some steve reich music IMHO.....a good listen for sure, if any of you are interested :-) bobby devito/lvx nova --------------------------------