------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 49 Today's Topics: RE: direct to board [ "Ott, John" ] RE: direct to board [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: Stage monitors [ Kim Corbet ] Paradise [ fred marshall ] ancient tape squeak [ Michael Peters ] Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) [ Floyd Miller ] Chapman Stick/Jamman MIDI [ jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudle ] [ andrew@inetport.com (Andrew Wagner) ] unsubscribe [ andrew@inetport.com (Andrew Wagner) ] Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) [ Chris Chovit ] Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) [ Kim Corbet ] Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) [ nyfac ] Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) [ Kim Corbet ] Re: Chapman Stick/Jamman MIDI [ "Mikell D. Nelson" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: direct to board Message-ID: >---------- >From: Mark@asisoftware.com >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 1997 5:27 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > >This is somewhat off topic, but since there have been quite a few posts about >mixers, I'll ask. > >I'm forming an eight-piece Top 40 band (guitar, bass, electronic & acoustic >drums, keyboard, three horns and a female vocalist) and I'm considering >running my guitar from a SansAmp PSA-1 preamp (with a volume pedal and a >Vortex) directly into the mixer. I don't want to use a speaker cabinet or >power amp. > >Does anyone have experience with this kind of a setup? > Yep, Digitech RP-6 (cabinette simulator) -> Mackie (with JamMan in effect loop) -> main PA or recording. The draw back with this setup is generating feedback, so I send a aux out to a fender amp for use as a monitor and to generate and control feedback. If you don't like or use feedback then you should be OK. Do you have the SansAmp yet? I've heard good things about it. How do you like it? (if you have it) < Tuesday night I went looking for David Torn's new album but came back with "Cloud About Mercury" and "Polytown", good stuff. Also was looking for Michael Brook's "Albino Alligator" soundtrack and got "Hybrid" instead. More good loopy stuff. Still looking for the new stuff. Also got a e-mail from Gary at the artist-shop to say Jon Durant's new record is in. I checked out the real-audio at http://www.artist-shop.com/alchemy/silent.ra Also the alchemy page has some AIFF files samples. I like it, I'm waiting for some VoicePrint stuff to come in then I'm going to order those and Jon's record at the artist-shop. Nice work Jon. Later >John > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:00:51 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: direct to board Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Do you have the SansAmp yet? I've heard good things about it. How do >you like it? (if you have it) > Also, I'd be interested in a review of the SansAmp myself. I'm embarking on a recording project that includes several guitarists, and I'd like to try to record them directly, my studio space isn't exactly conducive to high-volume amps. FWIW, I have one of the original SansAmp bass units, the kind that you have to open up and tweak tiny internal pots to adjust the sound. I love it, I've recorded consistantly with it for about 2 years, and I think it sounds better than my amp ever has... I'm open to any opinions on other guitar-amp emulators as well ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:12:45 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Re: Stage monitors Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > I don't want to use a speaker cabinet or power amp. > Forget using a guitar amp. Use a small PA system of your own, > something accurate. Guitar amps will just muck up your monitor > sound. .......Not trusting sound people any further than my mom, I certainly second the personal stage monitor suggestion even though I hate having to shlep any more gear than absolutely necessary. Now, when it comes to guitar, I have to point out that half the coolness of my strat is the quality of the sound of my mesa boogie. That really IS the sound of the guitar. I'm sure if my amp didn't sound as good as the pa that would be different. For horn, vocal and keyboards, I put everything through a mackey board into a coupla powered JBL Eons (hard to beat JBL for clarity), but I'd say a good tube amp is essential for a guitar sound with any kind of balls (or tasty timbre, if you prefer). .kim prime ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:21:26 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Re: Stage monitors Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > considering running my guitar from a SansAmp PSA-1 preamp (with a ...okay. I just started learning guitar. How accurate/flexible ARE these amp simulators...can they really achieve the variety I'm used to with a mesa boogie??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:42:33 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: direct to board Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For electric guitar, I use a BBE 2+1 preamp. Not as good as a SansAmp, but not bad. It also has nice analog footswitching and a generally clean, quiet sound. But these days, I hardly touch electric guitar anyway. For acoustic, I have a Fishman Blender, which does preamp and mixer duties for my two-pickup system (piezo and internal mic). I'm not happy with the Blender... it generates lots of hiss. But it also has separate EQ and effects loops, phase switch, and other useful features, so I use it anyway. Maybe one of these days I'll build a nice tube preamp for acoustic use. I think very highly of the SansAmp. It doesn't sound *quite* as good as a nice Marshall, Boogie, or other top-quality amp turned way up, but it's very close (close enough to be better than most amps, imho). The beauty of the SansAmp and other good emulators is recording. Unless you have a really good studio, and good microphones, you probably won't be able to beat the sound of a SansAmp by the time it gets to tape. Plus there's no complex setup time and tweaking to deal with. And unlike microphones, SansAmps don't pick up the sound of passing airplanes and other environmental noise. But best of all, there's no worry that your neighbors will call the cops or your wife will file for divorce because you have a Marshall stack in the bathtub! :} Another thing I really like about emulators which is highly applicable to people on this list, is effects handling. With most guitar amps, you're running your effects through a mono effects loop, then distorted output tubes, and finally into an awful speaker that dies above 5khz. Yes, the speaker is essential for that pure electric guitar tone, but it absolutely sucks for reproducing your ethereal panned cloud chamber phased chorus loops from your Vortex! That's why I don't use guitar amps at all anymore. The emulator gets a pretty decent simulation of an overdriven amp tone, without all the problems of actually having an overdriven amp in the room. Then I can run it into my stereo effects and tweak the sound to my heart's delight, then take the processed loops straight into a tape recorder or hi-fi stereo monitoring system. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:06:35 -0800 From: fred marshall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Paradise Message-ID: <333B27A1.7E48@fredmarshall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - the marshall arts trio is appearing at the Paradise Lounge tomorrow night (Friday, March 29 - 9:30pm). - the band consists of Joshi Marshall playing tenor and alto saxophones (often simultaneously), flutes, and percussion; Steve Rossi playing drums, percussion and a lot of other stuff, and i'm playing the Uprite bass that i designed for Zeta/Gibson through a looper and several other dsp devices. - the music comes from the blues, bebop, and space/time. - Joshi also appears with Jungle Biskit and Mingus Amongus (they just won a Bammie) and has worked w/Charlie Hunter, Josh Jones' Hueman Flavor, The Mofessionals and lots of other bay bands. - Steve Rossi also works with Mingus Amongus and recently won a room full of drums for being the best soloist in CA. - In the '50's I worked w/Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson, Etta Jones, Dinah Washington, and Terry Gibbs; in the 60's w/Ben Webster, Howard Roberts, Philly Joe Jones, John Handy, Pharoah Sanders, Lou Rawls, Maynard Ferguson, Dexter Gordon, Mose Allison, Joe Henderson and others - also made a bunch of records w/Vince Guaraldi (and the "Peanuts " stuff for t.v.), did a live album w/Jon Hendricks and was the house bassist at Bop City after hours in SF - also designed and built the sustaining guitar (US PAT), sympathetic electronic instruments, electronic drums (for Jerry Granelli, who I worked w/over 20 yrs) and various loop devices (there were none on the market and i didn't want to carry two tape machines). - in the 70's I co-created the Light Sound Dimension with Bill Ham (inventor of the SF light show) playing instruments of my own design, including the loops, and performed several thousand completely spontaneous light and sound "Compositions in the Present Tense" at museums and universities here and in Europe as well as in our theatre on California St in Fan Francisco. - since then, I've been raising a family (Joshi happens to be my son, and a daughter Zoe), playing guitar in my band Delta Nine, doing a few Light Sound Dimension shows, and designing/building instruments. For the last five years we've been appearing as the current band, Marshall Arts. - In April Joshi and Steve are touring Cuba with Mingus Amongus and I'll be in Arkansas celebrating my mother's 89th, so this will be the last show in the SF area for a minute or two. - You can hear the Marshall Arts trio at www.fredmarshall.com (streaming audio by Shockwave). There are several loop pieces on the cd we just finished, and they will be on the site soon as I get a chance to squish them. - here we are . . . fred marshall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:05:44 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <333B51A8.377C@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Grob wrote: > Yes, it does not need to be MIDI. BrotherSync is better for looping, and if > we can expand it to "NephewSync" for a Sob-Plex joint... There's a thought: be compatible with the Plex sync. I guess if two of us were doing it, it would constitute a standard. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 06:13:00 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Stage monitors Message-ID: <01BC3B3F.1D46F820@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim Corbet wrote: ...okay. I just started learning guitar. How accurate/flexible ARE=20 these amp simulators...can they really achieve the variety I'm used to=20 with a mesa boogie??? I've only used two amp simulators: the SansAmp PSA-1 and the original = Peavey ProFex. Both are fine pieces of equipment, but I'm not really = interested in re-creating the sound of a tube amp. (I already have a = Mesa Boogie Mark IIB and a Fender Vibrolux that are tremendous for what = they do.) I'm more interested in getting a personal sound. That's why I switched = from tube amps to transistor amps. Also, I was tired of my Vibrolux = breaking down on the gig for no apparent reason. These are the best transistor amps I've ever owned: - Gallien Krueger 112SC - Sort of a transistor Mesa Boogie with = tremendous sustain and a neat "Contour" switch that boosted the highs = and lows while cutting the mids. (I wish I still had it.) - Gallien Kreuger 250ML - Great clean sounds, especially with an Ovation = acoustic/electric. Average dirty sounds. It's very loud and only the = size of a shoe box. - Peavey Special Wedge - It's shaped like a floor monitor and I prefer = its tighter bottom end to my Mesa Boogie's somewhat floppy bottom end. Getting back to your original question, "How accurate/flexible are the = amp simulators?" The SansAmp PSA-1 is very accurate and flexible. A quick listen to the = presets demonstrates this. The Peavey ProFex is a somewhat different bird. Its a hybrid = preamp/multi-effects processor. It's very easy to program and very = flexible--you can place its effects modules in any order. This is its = single most important feature to me because it allows me to make "wrong" = sounds. For example, reverb into flange into distortion, instead of the = usual distortion into flange into reverb. If you are interested in programming your own sounds, you can really = personalize your loops far beyond the notes you select to play. The main difference that I've found between guitar amps and amp = simulators, is that an amp consists of its own rainbow of sounds, while = amp simulators consist of many different rainbows of sounds. Granted, = some of these "many different rainbows" don't appear to be useful, but = somewhere down the road they may provide the exact color that you're = looking for. I hope this gives you a clearer picture of these two amp simulators. Good luck, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 06:56:45 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex manual Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Kim, for putting the manual online. At least now I can read about the plex while I'm waiting impatiently for mine ;-) Seems like an amazing machine. Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:37:24 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: ancient tape squeak Message-ID: <199703280937_MC2-1364-7CA3@compuserve.com> Technical advice needed. I recently dug up my ancient Revox A77 and I'm planning to salvage a number of old tapes (some of them more than 20 years old) and copy them to DAT. The tapes carry recordings of my first jam sessions, looping experiments, and compositions - musically not of high value but I love them anyway of course. Unfortunately, some of the tapes (cheaper brands such as Shamrock and Sony) have a tendency to rub off their coating very quickly. The effect is a very high pitched squeaking noise which begins faintly and gets louder and louder. The squeaking can also be heard on the recording - the music gets modulated and distorted and is unusable. Cleaning the tape heads and tapes helps only for a couple of minutes. The squeaking noise comes back. Especially on long pieces (and I did a number of very long pieces) this is very annoying. If anyone has found a remedy for this problem, please let me know. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:44:46 +0000 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stage monitors Message-ID: <333B930D.3406@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Corbet wrote: >I just started learning guitar. How accurate/flexible ARE > these amp simulators...can they really achieve the variety I'm used to > with a mesa boogie??? Nothing is going to sound like your Mesa but your Mesa... I love my SansAmp classic ('tho I'm not so thrilled with my GT-2) but it is an entirely different tool- albeit a much more portable one. For years my tone was Rat pedal, stereo eq, quadraverb and a pa and I loved it. Now I have a Mesa too (a Maverick) and I love that also (not to mention about fifty little amps). If your are looking to use the pa as your amp, it might be a good idea to start with a fresh ear, rather than trying to get the exact analog of what you have now. Tube does not nessesarilt the only ticket to good tone- I just saw Unwound last weekend (gtr and bass had matching Sunn Concert solid state heads (anyone who can see these guys should-the guitarist tortures his Maestro Echoplex in the most entertaining ways)) and their tone was unbelievable. Nick Cave's guitarist uses a SansAmp and nothing else (not that Blixa guy, but the other one). Doesn't Michael Brook use a PSA-1 right into a pa? Go into it without any preconceived expectations and just try to find something that sounds good in its own right. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:45:42 -0500 (EST) From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I love my SansAmp PSA-1 - the rackmount SansAmp. Not only does it give me a wide palette of sounds and tones but it allows me to play live and record without having to mic an amp (which always changes the character). So with the SansAmp, what you hear is what is recorded too. And since I also use a GR-50 with a few external sound modules I can easily control my mix. The previous poster also made a good point - start with fresh ears. It is not hard to find the tone you are looking for with the Sans Amp. You may not get an exact clone of your Mesa or Marshall but if you are like me and enjoy having many tones to work with the SansAmp is the most versatile piece of gear I can think of (other than a truck load of different amps and a raod crew to help lug them around. - Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:25:06 PST From: jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudler) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Chapman Stick/Jamman MIDI Message-ID: <19970328.143928.8271.24.JesseKudler@juno.com> Two questions: What is the Chapman Stick? I see it mentioned around these parts all the time, but I have no idea what it is. Is it just a regular guitar that's favored by looper types for some reason, or does it do something special? Also, I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but I want to know about a MIDI controller for my Jamman. I have no idea what I need, how much I should be paying, etc. If someone can refer me to a web page or something, that would be useful too. Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:51:48 -0600 (CST) From: andrew@inetport.com (Andrew Wagner) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Message-Id: <199703281951.NAA05634@admin.inetport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" remove -Andrew __________________________________________________________________ To pretend to satisfy one's desires by possessions is like putting out a fire with straw. CHINESE PROVERB __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:52:57 -0600 (CST) From: andrew@inetport.com (Andrew Wagner) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: <199703281952.NAA05677@admin.inetport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubscribe -Andrew __________________________________________________________________ To pretend to satisfy one's desires by possessions is like putting out a fire with straw. CHINESE PROVERB __________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:47:03 -0700 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Floyd wrote: >I love my SansAmp PSA-1 - the rackmount SansAmp. >Not only does it give me a wide palette of sounds >and tones but it allows me to play live and record >without having to mic an amp (which always changes >the character). So with the SansAmp, what you >hear is what is recorded too. And since I also >use a GR-50 with a few external sound modules >I can easily control my mix. > >The previous poster also made a good point - start >with fresh ears. It is not hard to find the tone >you are looking for with the Sans Amp. You may >not get an exact clone of your Mesa or Marshall >but if you are like me and enjoy having many tones >to work with the SansAmp is the most versatile >piece of gear I can think of (other than a truck >load of different amps and a raod crew to help >lug them around. I agree. The SansAmp gets CLOSE to the sound of a variety of amps. I used to use a Boogie Mark IV. When my brother picked up a SansAmp PSA-1, I ran it in parallel (with an A/B/ box) with the Mark IV preamp, then back into the Mark IV effects return. THis allowed me to A/B between the Sansamp and Boogie preamps, using the same power amp/speaker setup. The results? I found that I could almost exactly reproduce each of the (3) Mark IV preamp channels, using the SansAmp. And it sounded damn good! PLus, the SansAmp gets Marshall, Hiwatt, Vox, ...etc. However, when I ran the SansAmp directly into the board, I could not get the warm sound I had using the Boogie power amp and speaker. This showed me that it was the power-amp and the speaker that was giving an aspect to the sound that I really liked. So, I ended up picking up a PSA-1, selling my Mark IV -- and now I run my guitar into the PSA-1 --> Fender tube reverb --> Boogie tube power amp --> THD Hot plate --> Celestion Greenbacks. AND I LOVE IT! (I can also run the Line Out of the Hot PLate into the board, for looping). I find this setup to be versatile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:16:49 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > However, when I ran the SansAmp directly into the board, I could not get > the warm sound I had using the Boogie power amp and speaker. ...............uh-oh. I'm going to pick up a SansAmp this afternoon and was hoping it would allow me to leave the boogie at home now and then. Warmth is such an important part of the soul of the guitar to me...looking forward to see if the variety is enough compensation (at least for rehearsals). Thanks for the details of your experimentation. > guitar into the PSA-1 --> Fender tube reverb --> Boogie tube power amp --> > THD Hot plate --> Celestion Greenbacks. ..................what's a hot plate? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: Floyd Miller To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Kim Corbet wrote: > ...............uh-oh. I'm going to pick up a SansAmp this afternoon and > was hoping it would allow me to leave the boogie at home now and then. > Warmth is such an important part of the soul of the guitar to me... With some adjusting of the PSA-1's controls you ought to be able to get some warmth. All I can say is try it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:06:53 -0500 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-ID: <333C32ED.79F1@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Corbet wrote: what's a hot plate? A hot plate soaks up some of the power amp output to the speakers, allowing you to run your power amp full tilt at a reasonable volume. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:28:43 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SansAmp (was Stage monitors) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > A hot plate soaks up some of the power amp output to the speakers, > allowing you to run your power amp full tilt at a reasonable volume. > Trev > .....thanks, trev. As a guitar novice, thanks for the list's patience at what must be some pretty obvious answer questions as I tweak my set-up. If any of you guys wanna know about trombone, accordion or French onion soup recipes, I'd be happy to reciprocate...I'm learning alot here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:56:59 -0800 From: Jim Coker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: direct to board Message-ID: <333C68DB.2A84@interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Trenkel wrote: > > > > >Do you have the SansAmp yet? I've heard good things about it. How do > >you like it? (if you have it) > > I've had a GSP2101 for a while, and had a chance to compare it's tube sounds 1 on 1 w/ a sansamp PSA/1. In general, they're both very flexible and good sounding, but I felt that the tubes had a bit more complex and interesting crunchiness to them. jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:00:35 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Chapman Stick/Jamman MIDI Message-ID: <333C69B3.5448@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesse G Kudler wrote: > What is the Chapman Stick? I see it mentioned around these parts all the > time, but I have no idea what it is. Is it just a regular guitar that's > favored by looper types for some reason, or does it do something > special? The Chapman Stick is a tapping instrument. It's got strings and frets but is set up for hammer-on style playing - a technique that makes the guitar somewhat piano like, in that either hand can play any note without the other being involved. They come in a variety of configurations, but I believe the standard instrument has 10 strings. They don't look at all like a guitar. Another related instrument is the Warr Guitar, named for it's creator. These appear very similar to a solid body guitar, but are optimized for tapping. I think the most common version has 8 strings. This is what Trey Gunn uses when he plays with King Crimson. Warr Guitar has a page with temptingly goreous pictures at http://www.warrguitars.com . By the way, Trey Gunn is a Boomerang Phrase Sampler owner. Sorry, couldn't stop myself. -- == Motley == -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:03:51 -0500 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loops and the web Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am new to the list. I dont know if this thread has been around before but I would like to get your thoughts regarding looped music on web pages. I am also looking for interesting examples web sites that effectivly use looping of several audio or midi files at the same time. I think there could be some really interesting types of "web installations" that could take full advantage of the musical concept of looping. I recently came across this web site: http://www.inkalesh.com/index.html What interests me about this site is how the user can interact with the music by starting play,stoping play and mixing the volumes of several different simultaneous looping audio files. Any thoughts on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@UAkron.edu --------------------------------