------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: Re: building our own looper [ Trevor Bajus ] Re: building our own looper [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Re: building our own looper [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Anybody want to upgrade? [ Trevor Bajus ] Re: echoplex weirdness [ "T.W. Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: building our own looper Message-ID: <32D4BE02.5776@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com wrote: > > Item Subject: Lotus Notes Message Text > > I'd like to see PAiA or a similar company (small, cheap, mailorder, > do-it-yourself-kits) come out with a looper. If such a thing was > available, I think they'd be hard put to deal with the demand. I know the > biggest impediment to me buying a Jamman, Echoplex or Boomerang is $$$ - I > just can't justify the cost for a single-purpose effect that I wouldn't be > using a lot of the time. For now, I'll stick to my crappy old Boss PS-2 > pedal with its 2 seconds of delay. > > If you consider all the techo knowledge and experience that's on this > mailing list, we'd have to be able to spec out a design (assuming everyone > suddenly got a few months with nothing else to do!). As an aside: with > memory coming down in price so fast recently, I can't see why you'd need to > feel limited by sample resolution or sample time any more - just build in > provision for the box to take standard SIMMs up to (say) 64Mb. > > I really hope this discussion in "fanning the creative flames" of someone > out there... > > Dave Mitchell > Hello all. I think that I am coming from exactly the oposite direction. The last thing that I want to do is to have to spend a small fortune buying some kitchen sink effects processor so that I can use one or two effects. IMHO (at least in my price range) effects boxes are like cameras- the more stuff that is built in, the lower the quality of those features. I'm sure that the Eventide XYZDPDQ2000 has pitchshifting that is as swell as their looping, but I don't really have a $100K for it. I have two multieffectors (the irreplacable quadraverb, no doubt dear to us all, and an LXP-15+) but they only have a few effects on them each that I like. I have been a DIY guy since the first day I bought my guitar and my bridge bickup mysteriously conked out, buy I don't know if I have the savoire faire to build my own looper (at least not yet). As limited as my skills are, I still think that in relation to must musicians I am fairly knowledgable. I think a kit would be far too complicated and would alienate most of your market. **** I guess I should take the time and say that I really like this mailing list. Kim, thanks for getting me that info I asked for, and thanks to all the people that put up with my questions in the beginning. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:58:52 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: building our own looper Message-Id: <23054.199701091658@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David_Mitchell: >> I know the >> biggest impediment to me buying a Jamman, Echoplex or Boomerang is $$$ - I >> just can't justify the cost for a single-purpose effect that I wouldn't be >> using a lot of the time. For now, I'll stick to my crappy old Boss PS-2 >> pedal with its 2 seconds of delay. I don't think we'll really be undercutting the boomerang by any degree, whatever we do. >> If you consider all the techo knowledge and experience that's on this >> mailing list, we'd have to be able to spec out a design (assuming everyone >> suddenly got a few months with nothing else to do!). As an aside: with >> memory coming down in price so fast recently, I can't see why you'd need to >> feel limited by sample resolution or sample time any more - just build in >> provision for the box to take standard SIMMs up to (say) 64Mb. Absolutely. The one complaint everyone has is that there's no stereo capacity, so a 60sec mono/30sec stereo option would be feasible. Trevor Bajus: >IMHO (at least in my price range) effects boxes are like cameras- the more >>stuff that is built in, the lower the quality of those features. I'm sure >that >the Eventide XYZDPDQ2000 has pitchshifting that is as swell as their >looping, >but I don't really have a $100K for it. I have two multieffectors >(the >irreplacable quadraverb, no doubt dear to us all, and an LXP-15+) but >they only >have a few effects on them each that I like. > We're never goint to make a better harmoniser than Eventide. We're never going to make a better reverb than Lexicon. But Lexicon were really smart when they designed the Vortex - rather than saying "let's build a competitor to the 9050/q+/Tubefex/etc" they produced something that 50% of the people on this list would kill rather than lose. Metaphorically. "Ah, but it flopped." No MIDI. A case of not listening to the market. However, we have the advantage that we _are_ the market. We should all be looking to Matthias' example here - only 100 LoopDelays were sold, but he started something wonderful in the process. >I have been a DIY guy since the first day I bought my guitar and my bridge >>bickup mysteriously conked out, buy I don't know if I have the savoire faire >to >build my own looper (at least not yet). As limited as my skills are, I >still >think that in relation to must musicians I am fairly knowledgable. I >think a >kit would be far too complicated and would alienate most of your >market. Agreed. Besides, since any processor we make is a niche product - we're never going to outsell Digitech, so why just make another RP10? - I think the people that niche would fit would probably be willing to go the extra and pay for a built version. I think a kit is a no-goer, or certainly there could be an option but it shouldn't be marketed as one. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Everything in moderation, including moderation" (Zen Proverb) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 12:17:53 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: building our own looper Message-Id: <199701091817.KAA16714@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >But Lexicon were really smart >when they designed the Vortex - rather than saying "let's build a >competitor to the 9050/q+/Tubefex/etc" they produced something that 50% of >the people on this list would kill rather than lose. Metaphorically. "Ah, >but it flopped." No MIDI. >A case of not listening to the market. I think part of the reason the the Vortex flopped was that it was had no MIDI and it was too expensive. I love mine, but I bought it for $150 in the Guitar Center blowout. I would never have bought it for the original price. Adding MIDI would have probably put another $100-200 on the price and driven further into the Lexicon Hall of Shame. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:02:39 -0600 From: yossari@abilene.com (Mike Miller) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help...from a non-looper Message-ID: <32D5871F.1F75@abilene.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After being heavily influenced by the Fripp soundscape recordings released in the last 2 years, I have a strong desire to experiment with the looping technique/style. so...I would appreciate ANY advice/suggestions on the following questions: 1)What BASIC equipment/devices should one begin with?? 2)and What are the approximate prices on this equipment?? 3)Where can I purchase them?? Please mailto:yossari@abilene.com All comments would be highly appreciated. Hopefully, looping will someday be brought to my sleepy West TX town. Brian Baggett yossarian@abilene.com Maple #1283 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: JOHNPOLLOCK@delphi.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: building our own looper Message-id: <01IE1269QN368ZHUD4@delphi.com> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dave Mitchell wrote, >I'd like to see PAiA or a similar company (small, cheap, mailorder, >do-it-yourself-kits) come out with a looper. Me, too--I have a lot more time than money. Both assembling it myself and cutting out the middlepersons would cut the cost drastically. >If you consider all the techo knowledge and experience that's on this >mailing list, we'd have to be able to spec out a design (assuming everyone >suddenly got a few months with nothing else to do!). Here, I'm not so sure--I think input from potential users other than guitarists might go a long way toward raising the odds of the device's viability. Pardon me for looping a thought from an earlier message, but I suspect the JamHombre might have fared better in the marketplace had DJs, horn players, etc. been more aware of its potential for them, and their potential with it. However, I certainly feel this is the ideal place to start. :-) John mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 02:39:21 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Intro/JamMan memory Message-ID: <32D5E419.20D5@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my first message to the list, so I just want to say howdy to everyone. I've really enjoyed everything I've seen so far. This is an impressively serious and talented group. I play solo guitar (a homemade Strat or an Epiphone Joe Pass) with a Digitech 2 second delay, Vortex, Rat, JamMan, and sometimes a volume or wah. I gig at rock clubs, doing short improv sets at an open mike or opening for noisy rock bands. Influences are the usual: Fripp, Frisell, Sharrock, but since I haven't played in improv/noise/avant-whatever settings, I also do a lot of songs where I play melody and solos over a loop, just cool rock and jazz tunes that work over a short vamp: Coltrane's "India," "Louie Louie," Sharrock's "The End of the Rainbow," lots of 70s Miles Davis, "Cissy Strut," McCoy Tyner's "Walk Spirit, Talk Spirit," "A Horse with No Name," some Santana, some Prince/0(+>, etc. Currently, I'm digging DJ Spooky and David Shea, and a lot of my improv involves sampling a sound or lick with the Digitech, then tweaking the delay time knob to use it as a crude theremin and building loops on the JamMan out of the mutated original sound. It seems like that's similar to some of the sample manipulations DJs do, and it's cool to do it in semi-real time to my own playing. Anyway, I want to expand the memory on my Jamster, so maybe some of you could e-mail me the best sources for the chips I need. Thanks a lot. I look foward to hearing more from this list. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 06:35:52 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hex fuzz Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I produced 10 units (!) of POLYDISTORTION at PARADIS, 10 years ago. Its still basic for my music. Piezo pickups can separate strings sufficiantly, magnetics still give some interference. Filtering of the mono sound would be a lot worse. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:38:15 +0100 From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: another survey question Message-Id: <199701101137.LAA21797@loki.genan.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Erik! I am just wondering how to subscribe to the following lists you mentioned in response to the survey question: Elephant Talk-King Crimson and Robert Fripp >et@cs.man.ac.uk Sylvian Digest-David Sylvian and related >sylvian@arastar.com Door X-David Torn >door-x@umich.edu Thanks for the help! Stefano Voulaz - The Uncle 8^)# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 23:34:03 +1000 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Any Vortex's left at GC? Message-Id: <"73554:1*"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just found out I'm flying over to Mountain View in 2 weeks time, and a trip to Guitar Centre in San Jose will probably be on the cards. Does anyone know if GC is still selling Vortex's at $US150? Thanks in advance Dave Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:48:09 -0800 From: James Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex weirdness Message-Id: <199701101248.EAA23121@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi all, i'm new to the list, and just got my echoplex the other day (i've been using a jamperson for a while). it's quite keen, but i'm experiencing some weirdness with it, and i was wondering if anyone could tell me if it's normal or if i got a bad unit (i'm tired of bonding with the answering machine at oberheim tech support). if there's a FAQ that answers my questions, i would appreciate it if someone would direct me to it. does anyone else's plex produce unpleasant clicks and pops when reversing a loop? the more i reverse and re-reverse, the more clicks get added to the signal. also, my unit seems inordinately noisy, even with a healthy signal level (the playback is much noisier than the direct sound). normal? i left a space below it in my rack for ventilation, so i don't think it's overheating. finally, a couple questions about memory upgrading. parity or non? is 60ns preferable to 70? also, someone told me i should get "low-noise" chips for my echoplex. what the heck are low-noise simms? anyone know the "chip merchant" (www.thechipmerchant.com) part number? i will be forever indebted to anyone who bestows their knowledge upon me... james ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:28:32 +0000 From: Trevor Bajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Anybody want to upgrade? Message-ID: <32D60BC0.507E@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if this is inapropriate for this mailing list but does anyone want to sell their JamDude so that they can upgrade to the echoplex? You can email me privately at: nyfac2@nyfac.com I had a deal on one, but know it is gone... Thanks, Trevor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 11:24:11 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: echoplex weirdness Message-Id: <199701101723.JAA25470@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The noise that occurs at times when using the reverse function is supposedly corrected with the legendary Currently Unavailable Software Upgrade. My Echoplex is very quiet. Also, earlier I'd reported flickering LED's at power up. This stopped after about two weeks. Someone else on the list had reported the same thing, so if it happens to you, give it a few weeks to burn in, or something. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 11:34:10 CST From: "Todd Madson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, ToddM@lasermaster.com Subject: Re: Any Vortex's left at GC? Message-Id: <9700108529.AA852924797@ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com> I guess the Guitar Center in Minneapolis sold their last one to a co-worker who sold it to someone else who already had one and wanted another and for more $$$. Some people. Todd Madson. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Any Vortex's left at GC? From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at Internet Date: 1/10/97 5:33 AM >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- I just found out I'm flying over to Mountain View in 2 weeks time, and a trip to Guitar Centre in San Jose will probably be on the cards. Does anyone know if GC is still selling Vortex's at $US150? Thanks in advance Dave Mitchell Received: from spica.LaserMaster.Com by ccmailgate.LaserMaster.Com (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) ; Fri, 10 Jan 97 05:33:30 CST Return-Path: Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [204.160.88.6]) by spica.LaserMaster.Com (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA24526 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 05:44:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 0vifGS-0006kw-00; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 03:36:48 -0800 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 23:34:03 +1000 In-Reply-To: <"NOTES_CORRELATION_ITEM*"@MHS> Message-Id: <"73554:1*"@MHS> Subject: Any Vortex's left at GC? Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FCNCQD.A.HSG.Kmi1y"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: ToddM@lasermaster.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 03:36:48 -0800 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex weirdness Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > Also, earlier I'd reported flickering LED's at power up. This stopped > after about two weeks. Someone else on the list had reported the same > thing, so if it happens to you, give it a few weeks to burn in, or > something. That was me. Never noticed it again after the initial month or so. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex weirdness Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, James Reynolds wrote: > if there's a FAQ that answers my > questions, i would appreciate it if someone would direct me to it. There's an Echoplex FAQ at the web site that contains just about every bug or oddity that's been raised by users. Don't remember the exact URL, but http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html will get you to within a stone's throw (check under the Echoplex entry in the "Tools of the trade" spot). --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:59:14 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Footpedals page: Es good, jah Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all -- I took a glance at Kim's recent footpedals page for the Echoplex, and would highly recommend any EDP users to investigate it. It seems like I'm always learning about certain applications that the thing is set up to do that I wasn't even aware of (particularly in terms of how the thing can interface with outside sounds, both via MIDI and otherwise), probably owing to the highly obtuse nature of the infamous owner's manual. The pedals page covers a lot of options and functions that hardly (if ever) seem to be mentioned. Anyway, even if you're not too into footpedals (as I am not), do check it out when you get the chance. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hard Disc Recording Message-ID: <970110193033_712826927@emout08.mail.aol.com> Just thought I'd add to the recent posts concerning hard disc recording. My recording system consists of an Akai DR4d and a Pawer Mac 6400/180. All recording is done on the Akai then SCSI'd to the Mac as an SDII file via MOTU'S Wave Edit program that was designed specifically for the DR4d. What Wave Edit lets you do is view graphically, what was recorded on the DR4d, on your computer and do all your editing (Fades, optimization,cut,paste, etc.) on the computer while the audio stays on the DR4d. After editing you can save the final song as an SDII file and arcive your work on your computers hard drive (or a zip drive etc). From here you can download back to the DR4d or go tape. I prefer to load the file back to the Akai (via SCSI) and go to tape from there since the audio conections on the Akai are better than on this particular Mac model. On the Mac itself I'm running Digidesign Session software. The only thing I use Sessions for is for working on sound files (EQ'ing, adjusting levels/balance etc.) that are going to remain on the computer, such as Quick Time movies or video soundtracks. I should mention that I don't generally do any cutting/pasting and "building" of songs due to the fact that I'm a Chapman Stick player and am pig headed about being able to play and record all parts live with both hands and Jamman. (As an example, I wouldn't play a two handed bass line then go back and record an overlapping melody part.) Unfortunately a lot of stuff never gets to tape because of this :-). Also, I should mention that a good idea for anybody getting into direct to disc audio recording should be to invest in a good disc de-fragmentation program and, on a Mac, to rebuild the "dest top" on a regular basis. The more editing you do of audio the more imperative both of these become. This post wasn't meant to "plug" any particular products but just to describe my particular set up and way of using the tools I use. I hope it added to the topic.--Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:06:06 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex weirdness Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:48 AM 1/10/97, James Reynolds wrote: >hi all, i'm new to the list, and just got my echoplex the other day (i've >been using a jamperson for a while). it's quite keen, but i'm experiencing >some weirdness with it, and i was wondering if anyone could tell me if it's >normal or if i got a bad unit (i'm tired of bonding with the answering >machine at oberheim tech support). if there's a FAQ that answers my >questions, i would appreciate it if someone would direct me to it. Hi James, There is a FAQ, which Andre helpfully compiled, on the web site. That and various other plex info is accessible through the Echoplex section of the site, which is part of the Looping Tools section. The echoplex page url is: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and the FAQ is: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html >does anyone else's plex produce unpleasant clicks and pops when reversing a >loop? the more i reverse and re-reverse, the more clicks get added to the >signal. The current software does that on occasion. It bothers some people a lot more than others, and I think there is some hardware dependancy where some units are simply worse than others. I never had a chance to figure out why. It is fixed in the software upgrade, which is steadily moving towards being available, at about the same rate that Los Angeles is moving towards Alaska. (well, maybe a little quicker actually....) > >also, my unit seems inordinately noisy, even with a healthy signal level >(the playback is much noisier than the direct sound). normal? i left a >space below it in my rack for ventilation, so i don't think it's overheating. This could depend heavily on how you set your signal levels. Make sure the input is up enough so that your loudest signals are just shy of clipping the digital audio in the loop. You should get something greater than 85dB signal/noise ratio in that case. The plex is generally not very noisy, so if you still hear a lot it could be a hardware problem. But as with any processing device, especially since the loop is all digital, there will be some noise. These questions are sort of hard to answer, because it depends a lot on the listener, their equipment, and their general impression of what "noisy" is. Are you the sort that uses it with a typical guitar rack set-up, or do you use Neve consoles and high-end Genelecs? If you hear lots of noise in a guitar amp, there might be something wrong. On high-end equipment, you might notice a higher noise floor in the loop audio than in the direct path. This is hard to avoid, since the dynamic range of the direct analog path is much greater than that of the digital loop path. The digital audio parts in the Echoplex are about 4 years old now, too, so they would seem noisier in comparison with equipment made with parts available now. That being said, I know plenty of people using echoplexes with good studio equipment who aren't experiencing any problems. Experiment with your level settings some and see if you can get better results. >finally, a couple questions about memory upgrading. parity or non? is 60ns >preferable to 70? also, someone told me i should get "low-noise" chips for >my echoplex. what the heck are low-noise simms? anyone know the "chip >merchant" (www.thechipmerchant.com) part number? Either parity or non-parity works fine. Any speed grade you find available today will work. The spec for the memory is 120ns, and I haven't seen anything that slow in years. 70ns will be cheaper than 60ns. In fact, some places still sell the 80ns types which are cheaper still. LLB's current add in MacWeek has 80ns, 4MB, 30 pin SIMMs at $29 each. These will work fine. There is such a thing as "low-noise" simms. The owner of a simm manufacturing company in L.A. called Custom Services explained this to me in great detail, actually. (He wanted to sell me his simms for the plex, obviously. I think he sells to other music industry companies and stores like Manny's) Basically, the simms have a full ground plane and liberal use of bypass capacitors, and they cost more. The cheap ones don't do this. The "low noise" variety will emit far less high frequency rf noise from all the digital switching going on. So the question is, does this matter? The noise will be outside of the audio frequency band for sure, so you shouldn't be able to hear anything. Measurements I did to compare different simms didn't show any significant difference, as I recall. As any audiophile will tell you, however, test equipment does not necessarily represent what your ears can detect. And it is possible for audio circuits to modulate high frequency signals into the audio range. (Have you ever heard a guitar amp picking up a CB radio? That's what's happening.) I think it is unlikely that the simms would cause anything like that in the Echoplex. I was never able to hear any difference, so I think you can get garden variety simms and be just fine. If you are real particular about audio quality and want to be absolutely safe, and don't mind the extra expense which may be for nothing, by all means seek out the "low noise" kind and use them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:47:00 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex weirdness Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >> Also, earlier I'd reported flickering LED's at power up. This stopped >> after about two weeks. Someone else on the list had reported the same >> thing, so if it happens to you, give it a few weeks to burn in, or >> something. > >That was me. Never noticed it again after the initial month or so. > See, we are really creative :-) In the original design of the LOOP delay there was a spare key (because originally Multiply was a long Overdub!) and we called it SURPRISE and intended to give it a different function every version or even individually. Things like a bass drum sample a total mix up of the loop... but then the machine slowly became more serious... Matthias --------------------------------