------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 53 Today's Topics: RE: Mercedes and visual looping [ Michael Peters ] ...and another thing... [ nyfac ] Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie fo [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie fo [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] RE: Mercedes and visual looping [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] Re: Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv- [ jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) ] ATTN: Charles Cohen [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] HOP for Mac? [ jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) ] Re: Onion soup [ "James Reynolds" ] RE: Mercedes and visual looping [ Michael Peters ] RE: Boomerang [ "Ott, John" ] RE: Boomerang [ Adam Levin ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:41:02 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping Message-ID: <199704010340_MC2-1389-6314@compuserve.com> >I was recently given a copy of Steinberg's X<>Pose to review for a mac >magazine. If you haven't heard of it, it's an animation program that >assigns MIDI notes to pict files and quicktime movies, and has a bunch of >effects and modifiers that are also controllable via MIDI notes and >controllers. is X<>Pose available for Mac only? >So I'm thinking that there's a way to create a visual analog for >what we do musically, using something like X<>Pose The automatic production of visuals to musical events is very difficult, and I've yet to see a program which keeps me interested for more than a few minutes. One program that I've used for (loop) music light shows is my own fractal program HOP. (I'm very biased here of course.) HOP (a DOS based program) does realtime 'psychedelic' animations based on certain kinds of strange attractors. Some of what can be done with it resembles the slow minimalist light shows of Marian Zazeela which accompanied La Monte Young's Dream House concerts. It can also be tuned to do more vivid, fast stuff which would fit more into Techno/Ambient music. HOP can *not* automatically react to Midi or other sound events though. When I used it to do live lightshows, I first put together a number of preconfigured animation parameters for the sequence of pieces that the band would play - I tried to find some imagery which would fit the general mood of each of the pieces. Then while the band played, I sat beside the stage, running these animations, and I pressed keys on the PC keyboard, doing a certain amount of live modifications, changing parameters, colors, etc., giving it a little more live-ness and unpredictability. People liked it a lot because HOP can do lots of different things none of which resemble your familiar fractals, and it was easy to keep them interested. >Part of the reason I'm wondering about all this is that my band is doing an >hour-long cable TV show in about a month, and I'm looking for some >practical ways to add some visuals... I don't know if HOP could be what you're looking for - maybe not, if you're searching for a realtime automatic visual tool which produces visuals depending on Midi events - but it might be an interesting program for you or anyone else who is interested in complex abstract animations. For more information and a gallery, check out the URL below. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:46:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Onion soup Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My two cents: to get a real good onion soup, you should add champagne in it. Recipe from a native from france. then you will be in such a state of nirvana that your playing will allow you to hear to most beautiful loops ever made Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:10:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Preamp Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A bit late, but I will second the idea of getting rid of guitar amps for multiple reason of noise/signal quality... etc. I use a Peavey rockmaster wich absolutely horrible for guitar but works very well with the bass side of my stick. I also use a Lag Spitfire (it is french tube preamp) thatsounds pretty good wwith guitar, and a tube master H&G just to "hotten" (?) the sound before the Spit'. I've been also using a sansamp PSA-1 and it gives the possibility among a lot of other things, to have the sound of power tube overdriven at the output of the preamp (for these singing Jeff Beck sound), so you won't destroy your effects for this sound like with a real amp (not to mention sound volume to get the power section overdriven). Don't hesitate to stack low quality preamp in serial. It just work very well. As for PSA-1 amp simul. You have to get out of the machine with the XLR out to have the amp simul turned on, if I remember well.... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:49:12 +0000 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: More SansAmp foolishness... Message-ID: <3340DA16.66B8@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had, in a fit of idiocy, brought my recording equipment into my place of indentured servitude, I mean work, for it to sit unused for six months. So I just brought it home the other day and began working with my SansAmp in earnest. Odd as it may sound, when recording direct, the SansAmp sounds best when it is not on... It says in my little booklet that the buffering will improve your sound. Frankly, I was more than a bit sceptical (I was the one who complained about buffering a couple weeks ago) but I am happy to be proven wrong. There are some neat sounds to be had with it on too, of course, but I must say, I really think that the distortion of thes things really blows. The preamp gain on the box make the sound shrill and thin (and not even in a cool Steve Albini sort of way). My other beef with the ol' SA is that in the bass(the one that's supposed to sound like fender stuff) settings, the output is really, really low. Much lower than an unfiltered gtr/bass signal would be. I have noticed this with a lot of distortion boxes and the like. I wonder if it has something to do with my gtr setup- heavy strings (.11 to .13, depending on the mood and guitar), relatively high action, and ham-handed right hand attack. Am I alone with this output difference thing? Trev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:55:18 +0000 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ...and another thing... Message-ID: <3340DB83.7194@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to ask- has anyone tried out the SansAmp amp? I thought that the clean sounds were absolutely fantastic. I was not too thrilled with the distortion sounds. There was a conversation about stage monitors before- it wound take six of these things to weigh as much as my MESA. It weighs about as much as a twenty watt Peavey practice amp that I have at home. It gets pretty loud too. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:30:02 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie for Beginners Message-Id: <5660.199704011530@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim Flint: >"The way the amp is designed and voiced have a lot to do with the resulting >guitar feedback. Boogies sing like there's no tomorrow, (I've heard lots of >good stuff about the subway blues) but most amps don't. Anybody know of any others that do? (I know the Rivera R55 and Fender Super 60 will) Travis: >While we're on the subject of feedback at low levels, I just picked up a >Boogie Subway Rocket this weekend, and I'm tremendously pleased with it. >I've used a bunch of Boogie stuff over the years, but the Subway Rocket >allows you to get all the dynamic wonder of tubes at a quieter volume. I >can't speak too highly of this $500, 20watt, three mode wonder. So does it provide low-gain, low-vol feedback, even without reverb? (Incidentally, over here it costs $1000....) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:35:25 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie for Beginners Message-Id: <5740.199704011535@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 1:20 AM 3/29/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: >>Let's be fair; the JM is pretty solid peice of work. If we're going for >>car analogies, then the Obie is probably a Merc (E or S series) - high >>prestige, and filled with gadgets that the owners insist they could never >>live without - air cond, power steering. The Lex is an Audi, BMW 3-series >>or Volvo - a quality, refined dirving experience which will get you from A >>to B in style, if not necessarily pampered. Finally, the boomerang is an >>off-roader - fun to drive, not necessarily the smoothest ride, but with a >>growing cult status. Even if it can't do the things the others can, there >>are places it can go that leave the others behind. After that, leave Zoom, >>Dod etc to fight it out for Ford.. :) > >ohhhhhhh...... will it never end? ;-) Hey - not five minutes ago you were complaining about the lack of posts. Now someone starts a thread - a trusty old prernnial - and you're griping!! Anyway, wasn't me that started it - it was one of them there OBERHEIMERS!!!! Ha! Just watch out, or I'll start winding Jon or Greg up about the Vortex ads again... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:42:17 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: jim@manager.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Message-Id: <5845.199704011542@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Me: >>Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? Jim: >There used to be an Australian girl called Violinda (uh .. I guess that was >her stage name. Guess what instrument she played) Accordion! Trombone! errrr...French Onion!* >There was also a violin-based looper who used to busk in Oxford about the >same time ago, but he probably gave up cos whenever he played, such a big >crowd would gather, the police (bless 'em) had to "move him on" The man in question is Ed Alleyne-Johnson, and if you're in the UK you can pick up his CDs in the high st. The Cds are "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" (containing the Oxford Site, surprisingly enough) and "Ultraviolet", both on Equation (I thinK). He's GREAT. >Hong Kong Jim Why? From there or there now? Michael *Olivier recommended adding champagne to French Onion Soup for the finishing touch. I would rather recommend adding it direct to the diners - in large quantites - before they eat, to garuantee they'll like it! Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:00:58 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I was recently given a copy of Steinberg's X<>Pose to review for a mac >>magazine. If you haven't heard of it, it's an animation program that >>assigns MIDI notes to pict files and quicktime movies, and has a bunch of >>effects and modifiers that are also controllable via MIDI notes and >>controllers. > >is X<>Pose available for Mac only? > It looks like it, there's no mention of windows in the docs. I have to call Steinberg with some questions soon, so I'll ask about a windows version. >>So I'm thinking that there's a way to create a visual analog for >>what we do musically, using something like X<>Pose > >The automatic production of visuals to musical events is very difficult, >and I've yet to see a program which keeps me interested for more than a few >minutes. > Same here. I could easily do director animations that would play along with our performance, but that's too static and anti-improvisational. What I'd like is something that offers a mix of control and semi-intelligent automation to create "surprises", those moments where the machine comes up with something you wouldn't have consciously. > >One program that I've used for (loop) music light shows is my own fractal >program HOP. (I'm very biased here of course.) > >HOP (a DOS based program) does realtime 'psychedelic' animations based on >certain kinds of strange attractors. Some of what can be done with it >resembles the slow minimalist light shows of Marian Zazeela which >accompanied La Monte Young's Dream House concerts. It can also be tuned to >do more vivid, fast stuff which would fit more into Techno/Ambient music. > I looked at you HOP pages, very impressive stuff. It's nice to see someone finding new material in fractals, since certain things like the Mandelbrot set became very overused a few years ago. Too bad I've only got macs, will it run under SoftWindows (not likely if it's doing serious calculations...) >HOP can *not* automatically react to Midi or other sound events though. >When I used it to do live lightshows, I first put together a number of >preconfigured animation parameters for the sequence of pieces that the band >would play - I tried to find some imagery which would fit the general mood >of each of the pieces. Then while the band played, I sat beside the stage, >running these animations, and I pressed keys on the PC keyboard, doing a >certain amount of live modifications, changing parameters, colors, etc., >giving it a little more live-ness and unpredictability. People liked it a >lot because HOP can do lots of different things none of which resemble your >familiar fractals, and it was easy to keep them interested. > Well, I'm not necessarily looking for something that responds directly to MIDI, that's just how X<>Pose works. I'm just looking for something that creates an interesting visual analog to the music we play. I rather like the idea of having an artist controlling the visuals as we play, sort of like another musician, but working on a different frequency spectrum... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 1997 01:49:01 GMT From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Message-Id: <3406430206.226522042@manager.com> Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com,Internet writes: >The man in question is Ed Alleyne-Johnson, and if you're in the UK you can >pick up his CDs in the high st. The Cds are "Purple Electric Violin >Concerto" (containing the Oxford Site, surprisingly enough) and >"Ultraviolet", both on Equation (I thinK). He's GREAT. Cool, another consumer durable for me to hanker after (along with the Echoplex, a VCD player, a MiniDisk 4-track, a house with room to turn round in .... drone...drone) I'll see my friendly CD dealer at the weekend. Is one CD better than t'other or are they fairly similar in style? And yes, I live in Hong Kong at the moment hence the HongKong Jim (mebbe I'll change my name to Phooey.) HKJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:38:27 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ATTN: Charles Cohen Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Loopers, Please forgive my intrusion to the whole list, but I do not have Charle's e-mail. Hi Charles, At the Philyl Loop Show, you were telling Steev and I (Fingerpaint) about a Balto/Philly music improv list. Also a place in Baltimore that we might look to for performance opportunities. I would appreciate if you could forward this information to me. I'm back from vacation rested and ready to go. I hope we can do something together again in the future. Peace, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 1997 02:03:54 GMT From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: HOP for Mac? Message-Id: <16117726.226575838@manager.com> Unfortunately I delete all my emails (something to do with getting 50 or 60 emails a day I reckon) so I can't remember who was talking about HOP recently. Anyway it reminded me of a piece of freeware that is sitting in a dark corner of my hard disk at the moment, which does more or less the same thing for Macintosh, as far as I can work out. Here is the blurb from the Readme file which has details on where to get it, and the licensing restrictions. Hope you find it useful. HK Jim _____________________________ bomb - automatic interactive visual stimulation Scott Draves http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb.tar.gz ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb-mac.sit.bin ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb-sgi.tar.gz see the file COPYING for the license covering this software. see below for the license covering the output of this software. this program is for svgalib (on linux), with working ports to X11, OpenGL, and the Power Mac (with CodeWarrior). see manual.txt for instructions about how to run and use bomb. see http://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu:8001/bomb/index.html and http://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu:8001/nab/nab.html for online documentation, explanation, and discussion. i apologize for the quality of this code. it is very low. i use this project as a garbage dump for my worst coding impulses. this helps keep the rest of my code cleaner. no kidding. chunks of code and various rules have been taken from various sources (i'm always looking for more stuff, so email if you have something that you think fits). contributors/sources include: jepler@herbie.unl.edu originally derived from vga_eyecandy tcl@sgi.com rotor idea nix@cs.cmu.edu wisps, waves, fade2cmap, many suck/*.gif ehn@cs.cmu.edu gifs Jim Frost xli header file (copyright below) Kirk L. Johnson gif code (copyright below) Torben Mogensen idea for symmetric life ajw@cs.cmu.edu lots of help for all sorts of mac things thanks to nix for many interesting discussions and don hopkins@kaleida.com for inspiration. thanks to toffoli and margolus for their excellent book _cellular automata machines_ (isbn 0-262-20060-0, or see http://www.im.lcs.mit.edu/cam8) ----------------------- license covering output: `bomb' is covered by the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, but as noted on line 75: ... the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. in the case of `bomb', the output *is* considered to be derived from the bomb itself and its datafiles. i place the following restrictions on its use: 1) you may not publicly exhibit it. 2) you may not record it. 3) you may not make any money with it. if you want to do any of these things, contact me, and i'm sure we can work something out. depending on circumstances, my terms are generally: 1) you must notify me in advance 2) you must give me credit 3) you must give me a cut of any money you make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:15:37 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Onion soup Message-Id: <199704020922.BAA31668@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay, okay... i'm sure i'm not the only one who feels this way... but after all this talk of french onion soup.... LET'S HAVE THAT DAMN RECIPE, KIM C. !!! thanks, james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 04:44:25 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping Message-ID: <199704020444_MC2-13A3-3425@compuserve.com> Dave, >I looked at you HOP pages, very impressive stuff. It's nice to see someone >finding new material in fractals, since certain things like the Mandelbrot >set became very overused a few years ago. Too bad I've only got macs, will >it run under SoftWindows (not likely if it's doing serious calculations...) I doubt very much that Hop will run under Softwindows. I recommend finding someone with a decent DOS machine (or Windows), that is, at least a 486, and try it there. Write me anytime you have questions or comments on the program (not being a Win program, it is not quite as easy to install as Win programs). Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:42:36 +0000 From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Jamman MIDI Message-ID: <000247F7.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >...I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but I want to know >about a MIDI controller for my Jamman. A very basic level of control is available from the Zoom 4040 floor effects unit. It doesn't allow you to resend the same command two times in a row (because stepping on the patch pedal changes it to manual/tuner mode), but you can usually get around this by using the JamMan's supplied footswitch. And at least all of the commands necessary for the Jamster are in the first 20 User patches so you can use your own programmed sounds and control the Dude at (about) the same time. The fade commands are all on the same bank, but cue loop 1 is on the end of one bank, with cue loop 2-5 etc on the next. Not to malign this product, which I bought new at approx. half its original price, but ultimately a seperate delay/reverb unit and a midi unit are probably more `effective', depending of course and what you already own, can afford etc. Anyway, I'll be discovering how reliable this is live at the Croydon Clocktower on 10th April (yes, another shameless plug) Non anagramatically looping near London, David http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:42:48 EST From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Early Retirement Message-Id: <9704021342.AA17703@ibx.com> To all of those who expressed an interest in and/or submitted recordings for my music magazine, COM, I am sorry to tell you that the project is postponed indefinitely. After investing much time and money, I have come to learn the hard lesson that you cannot take people at their word. This criticism is not directed at any of the people receiving this message. On the contrary, all of my dealings with the people on these lists have been thoroughly enjoyable and very helpful. The length of the full story lends itself to a 20 page or so short story... all I will say is that ALL of the music I received was wonderful and I sincerely appreciated all submissions. I only wish that I were able to provide the spot- light that all of these talents deserve. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:11:39 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Onion soup Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > LET'S HAVE THAT DAMN RECIPE, KIM C. !!! ........Having been raised up in Rooster Poot, Arkansas, I'm not sure everyone would like to venture into them parts...it starts with 2 jars of possum squeezins and a gone off persimmon. Bark and pepper to taste. For a complete recipe, send your requests on the back of a twenty to: Uncle Butt Cuisine Rt.1 Rooster Poot, Ar 72116 And we thank ya'll for it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:22:04 -0500 From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:49 PM 3/31/97, rmenger@groupz.net wrote: >I subcsribed to this list a few weeks ago and have really enjoyed reading >it....I had thought that i subscribed to the "digest" though...Is it >possible to get this in digest form? >Rich > >If you have an unpleasant nature and dislike people >this is no obstacle to work. > --J.G. Bennett try putting it in the blender, or maybe eat more roughage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:20:35 -0500 From: Eric Edberg To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Message-ID: <33442D33.1042@mail.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to locate one for a while. I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if so can you let me know what you think about it? I'm primarily interested in creating multi-layered backgrounds to solo over; sounds like the B. will do that. Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? Thanks, Eric Edberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:48:24 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang Message-ID: -----quote---- >From: Eric Edberg >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:20 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Boomerang > >I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted >looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been >totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the >JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to >locate one for a while. > >I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if >so can you let me know what you think about it? I'm primarily >interested in creating multi-layered backgrounds to solo over; sounds >like the B. will do that. > >Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? > >Thanks, > >Eric Edberg --------end quote----- Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ Thats where I got mine, good service. Some other mail order places may still have some. My local music stores were all out. later John > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Ott, John wrote: > Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 > They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at It seems like MF never update their web database. I called about three weeks ago inquiring about the Jamman and they were all gone (including the blem). I've inquired about several of the blems that they list there and I've struck out on all of them. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti --------------------------------