------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: Musician's Friend [ Eric Edberg ] RE: Musician's Friend [ "Ott, John" ] The Joy of Looping [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: Boomerang [ "kim corbet" ] Re: The Joy of Looping [ "kim corbet" ] Re: Boomerang [ Michael Hughes ] Echoplex pro questions [ mgsam@wave.net ] Re: Boomerang [ "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Musician's Friend Message-ID: <33443C7A.2AE7@mail.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ott, John wrote: > > Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 > They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ > > Thats where I got mine, good service. > Some other mail order places may still have > some. My local music stores were all out. > > later > John > > Musician's Friend is out as well. I had about 24 hours of false paradise, though, because last week bot a new one and a blem one were still listed on their website, which evidently has to be manually updated by them. I ordered a Jamman, but got a message the next day saying they were all gone. :-( Thanks for the suggestion, though. I've also tried the other mail-order houses (Rock 'n Rhythm, Daddy's, Manny's, etc.) I know of. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:03:43 -0500 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Musician's Friend Message-ID: Sorry for the false info. I would definitly demo a boomerang before buying one. I has a lower sampling rate than the Jamman or Echoplex, you might not be as happy. That was the only complaint in a otherwise pretty good review in last October's guitar player. They're online at http://www.enews.com/magazines/guitar_player/ However only the feature article is in the archive, Which was Los Lobos, you could order the back issueif you're interested. sorry John >---------- >From: Eric Edberg >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, April 3, 1997 11:25 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Musician's Friend > >Ott, John wrote: > >> >> Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 >> They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ >> >> Thats where I got mine, good service. >> Some other mail order places may still have >> some. My local music stores were all out. >> >> later >> John >> > > >Musician's Friend is out as well. I had about 24 hours of false >paradise, though, because last week bot a new one and a blem one were >still listed on their website, which evidently has to be manually >updated by them. I ordered a Jamman, but got a message the next day >saying they were all gone. :-( > >Thanks for the suggestion, though. I've also tried the other mail-order >houses (Rock 'n Rhythm, Daddy's, Manny's, etc.) I know of. > >Eric > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:45:04 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Joy of Looping Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahhhhhh.... I know that most people on this list are very busy, I certainly know that I am. After the Philly Loop Show I was suppossed to be on vacation, well there was a problem. I had to work two days. Then my wife and I were off to the mountains of north Carolina for some R & R. We returned to other family obligations. My equipment still packed up. My other group has a gig this weekend, need to practice my acoustic. Staring at the packed up gear. And then on the eleventh day I set her up again...... AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ......bliss. It's so wonderful to set my looper's in motion. So peaceful......so freeing.... SO all of you busy folk. DON'T FORGET TO LOOP!!! Be it 'Plex, Jam Men. Boomerdangs,or Time Machine's...just let 'em whirl. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 01:23 CST From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if > so can you let me know what you think about it? ........sounds like a job for Motley. Hey, Motley, you got your ears on, good buddy??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 01:31 CST From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Joy of Looping Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > SO all of you busy folk. DON'T FORGET TO LOOP!!! Be it 'Plex, Jam Men. > Boomerdangs,or Time Machine's...just let 'em whirl. ........................I was about to delete this fond greeting when I thought, you know, you're absolutely right. If I can't sleep or just when I'm about to log on, I often do myself a favor and stir a little loop to keep me company...tweaking now and just to let it know I'm still enjoying it. Loops are our friends. World peace is for dweebs. Visualize using your turn signal.kimosabe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:01:55 +0100 From: Michael Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Message-Id: <6765.199704040901@eeapp.gla.ac.uk> >I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted >looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been >totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the >JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to >locate one for a while. An open-minded chellist - wow! :) How do you fel about moving to Glasgow? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:24:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Boomerang Message-Id: <9704041352.AA04571@beryllium.lexicon.com> >Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? Try Pat's Music Center at 215-743-4766. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:00:56 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex pro questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kim: Want to say first off that your web sight is fantastic. What a resource! Secondly, I was lucky enough to find a used Oberheim Echoplex Pro. I can't find a serial number on the box, but when I turn it on it appears to have software 3.0, which accoring to your FAQ would make it one of the earlier units. Question: Where and how can I get software updates? I will post some of my experiences with the Oberheim. I'm also a Jamman and Vortex fan, and I find the differences between all these cool boxes interesting to the extreme. Anyway, thanks for all the great work, and I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:06:57 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Message-ID: <33455151.EF@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kim corbet wrote: > > > I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if > > so can you let me know what you think about it? > > ........sounds like a job for Motley. > > Hey, Motley, you got your ears on, good buddy??? Yes, you pitch-shifting, delay-drenched, distortion using, stomp box addicted, 'bone playing wild man, I've got my ear to the ground. But, I thought it would be more convincing if a customer threw out a personal tale of Rang usage. I have 2 Boomerang Phrase Samplers and I love them. The bass player/lead singer of the band I play with has 2 and he absolutley loves them. He's the 1996 Boomerang poster child. These people also have Boomerangs: Victor Wooten, Vernon Reid, Jake E. Lee, Matthew Sweet, Trey Gunn, Henry Kaiser, Howard Leese, ... Check our web page at http://www.netbutler.com/boomerang . Mike Nelson Co-owner of Boomerang Musical Products ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:31:43 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello people -- It looks as if the notion of a West Coast loop show is inlikely to happen in the near future. (C'est la vie.) My jones for live looping remaining unsatisfied, however, I'm inclined to try a different tactic. I'm mulling over the possibility of trying to organize and set up a solo loop tour of the West Coast, probably starting in the San Diego area and running North through California and perhaps beyond. This is a *completely* uncharted area for me, but I think it would be quite an eye- and ear-opening experience. The main problem is that I've got no idea what sorts of venues are available in which cities that would be appropriate venues for this sort of thing. Which is where you people can help out. If anyone along the Pacific Coast can suggest some good places in their general area in which to try and organize some sort of concert, then I'd stand a better chance of trying to pull this off. So if any West Coasters (heh) can offer up suggestions for venues sympathetic to experimental music, from San Diego up to, say, Washington State, I'd *greatly* appreciate it. I have no idea if this will get past the pipe dream stage, and it likely won't come to fruition (if at all) until the mid- to late summer. But I'm still inclined to give it a whirl. So if there are any clubs, bars, owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: <970404191331_1683364964@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/97 5:51:12 PM, you wrote: >So if there are any clubs, bars, >owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. >So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night >at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. > >Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, > >--Andre go for it andre!!!! people, get out there and support the crazy ones of us who actually want to tour! heck, you should try and get people to come out and perform with you, open for you or something..we all need to try and support one another! good luck with your tour, and go for it! bobby d/lvx nova ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:36:54 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hello people -- > >It looks as if the notion of a West Coast loop show is inlikely to happen >in the near future. (C'est la vie.) My jones for live looping remaining >unsatisfied, however, I'm inclined to try a different tactic. > >I'm mulling over the possibility of trying to organize and set up a solo >loop tour of the West Coast, probably starting in the San Diego area and >running North through California and perhaps beyond. This is a >*completely* uncharted area for me, but I think it would be quite an eye- >and ear-opening experience. The main problem is that I've got no idea >what sorts of venues are available in which cities that would be >appropriate venues for this sort of thing. > >Which is where you people can help out. If anyone along the Pacific >Coast can suggest some good places in their general area in which to try >and organize some sort of concert, then I'd stand a better chance of >trying to pull this off. So if any West Coasters (heh) can offer up >suggestions for venues sympathetic to experimental music, from San Diego >up to, say, Washington State, I'd *greatly* appreciate it. > >I have no idea if this will get past the pipe dream stage, and it likely >won't come to fruition (if at all) until the mid- to late summer. But >I'm still inclined to give it a whirl. So if there are any clubs, bars, >owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. >So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night >at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. > >Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, > >--Andre Hey Andre, I can help in Eugene and Portland, maybe even something in here Corvallis depending on how little you're willing to play for... Maybe we could do some stuff together, or my band could share a bill with you. Also, I could put you in touch with some people in Olympia and Seattle. I'm organizing some gigs for May/June right now, if these work out I can give you some better/clearer details. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:23:51 -0500 From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" how do you loop on the cello? do you use a pickup? or a mic? I play the fiddle a little bit and have a mic, (sure sm 75, i think). i never though of loopin' my fiddle...cats in the neighborh, beware. ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:23:27 -0800 From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-Id: <199704050223.SAA24469@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Spaceland in Silverlake, Los Angeles would be a great place to host such an event. The people in charge are very hip and supportive of different musical tendencies. The sound engineer's name is Michael Whitmore and their phone # is (213)634-7671. Please give them a call Carlos R. Carrillo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > Hey Andre, I can help in Eugene and Portland, maybe even something in here > Corvallis depending on how little you're willing to play for... > Maybe we could do some stuff together, or my band could share a bill with > you. Also, I could put you in touch with some people in Olympia and > Seattle. I'm organizing some gigs for May/June right now, if these work out > I can give you some better/clearer details. This raises another possibility -- rather than trying to stage a one-spot summit concert, we could try coordinating other loopists along the pathway up the coast, and I could attempt a rendezvous with them as I move north, so that at each stop (or at least some of them) there are different loopers to share the gig with. This would make things a lot easier logistically, as there would be some local support at some of the stops, and it would also help facilitate a more genre-specific gig (multiple loopists at one show makes a bit more sense than a solo guy making wierd sounds between top 40 and blues bands -- at least, in general, anyway). Thanks for the advice, Dave; let me know how the work goes in terms of the Seattle-area arangements. Anyone else interesting in trying to do show-by-show participations? Far be it from me to annoint myself the pied piper of loopography, but this might be a very interesting way of solving a variety of logistical problems... --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:46:14 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Andre: A friend and I have a looping duo that has a regular second Friday of the month gig at a little place called Evo's coffee house right here in the town of Ashland, Oregon (pop. 17,000). We would love to have you sit in with us! Ashland is on the I-5 corridor and right across the border from California. Also, we're interested in playing other places north/south/east/and west as well, so if we can put together some kind of network of "looping friendly" cafes/bars/living rooms...whatever, then it could help all us left coasters know where the natives and managements are friendly. Incidentally, we loop for tips only at this point, so don't expect to make enough to run right out and buy another Echoplex. ;) Let us know when you'll be up. We're saving an input on the Mackie for you. Best, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 03:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: <970405034216_1085643273@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 4/5/97 3:30:02 AM, you wrote: > >Let us know when you'll be up. We're saving an input on the Mackie for you. > >Best, >Kevin > now THIS is brother/sisterhood!!! i'm proud of you all :-).....this is the way to network! bobby d/lvx nova ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 12:25:47 -0500 From: dmgraph@bway.net (David Myers) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: <199704051720.MAA15892@nico.bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unsubscribe. Thanks all--must take some time off now, can't keep up with all the mail. Will check in with the archives until I sign back on. DM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Kevin -- Thanks very much for the invitation -- sounds like a very promising start to things. I'll definitely keep the second Fridays of the months in mind as the time draws nearer (whenever that time happens to be -- probably July, I'm guessing.) Damn -- this thing might actually happen! Time to check the oil on the car... Best, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:28:09 -0800 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andre, I forgot to ask, what is it you play -- I mean besides the loopers... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: WBrake@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove Message-ID: <970406003000_-900795488@emout06.mail.aol.com> remove wbrake@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:21:09 -0800 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex pro questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:00 AM 4/4/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Hi Kim: > >Secondly, I was lucky enough to find a used Oberheim Echoplex Pro. I can't >find a serial number on the box, but when I turn it on it appears to have >software 3.0, which accoring to your FAQ would make it one of the earlier >units. Question: Where and how can I get software updates? The LD3.3.2 version, which the vast majority have shipped with, should be easily available from Oberheim. 510-635-9633. You might want to wait a few weeks, just in case another version is about to come out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:49:51 -0800 From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been kinda lurking on this list up to now, but I just had to jump in. I'm an LA guitarist, Recording Engineer & Loopist (Echoplex, Boogie, Roland GR300 & 700, Steinberger.....). I'm intrigued by the idea of a west coast show and or tour and wanted to let Andre and all west coasters know you have another in your ranks! People have mentioned Spaceland and Mon. night at the Alligator-those would be my 2 best suggestions also. Please feel free to email me personally for any future questions and or coordinations. LOOP ON Brothers!! ("huh, whu?" - Walter Cronkite in response to Stuttering John) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: On tour part II: The stylistic frontier Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ('scuse the header...) On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Andre, I forgot to ask, what is it you play -- I mean besides the loopers... Oh yeah... *that* issue. ;-/ Do you mean equipment-wise or stylistically? Gear will probably be the following signal path: guitar - ebow - whammy pedal - echoplex - vortex - stereo guitar amp - two 2-12 speaker cabs, with a seperate feed going into a "straight" guitar amp, i.e. whatever I can cram into the trunk and back seat of my Chevy. Genre? Good question; I'm still figuring that one out myself. Pretty much everything from abrasive, confrontational shards of sound to subdued "ambient" meditations and pseudo-Indian drone dealies. I'm also edging my way slowly but surely towards a "cut and paste" approach using the multiply and insert features on the Echoplex. In my eternal inability to go BEYOND FRIPP, I subscribe to the notion of taking the time and localle of a performance into account, so you needn't worry about my subjecting a coffeehouse crowd of small-town Oregon citizens to a sensory overload of abstract atonal industrialisms whilst I holler forth various and sundry selections of my favorite Edgar Allan Poe and William S. Burroughs writings atop the whole cacophonous din, guitar splayed face-down on the floor all the while (unless you think that might be a good idea, of course). Part of the reason I'm interested in more public performance, be it a summit show or a tour, is that I want to see where my own looping work fits in alongside other people's. I've just finished compiling some solo recordings, and I'm stymied by the fact that I have very little idea how it rates in terms of other loopists' efforts. All I know is that it doesn't sound (very much) like Fripp or Torn. So a big part of my interest in more multi-artist gigs is in seeing other people doing their thing, and getting a better sense of how many different ways the same fundamental technique can be varied depending on specific instrumentation, stylistic background, etc. etc. So again, Kevin, if this is a quiet, sedate sort of gig we're talking about, I won't go spewing sonic gunfire all over the audience. I'll save that for a downtown LA gig... --Andre --------------------------------