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Loopers-Delight-d Digest                                Volume 97 : Issue 55

Today's Topics:
  Re: On tour part II: The stylistic f  [ mgsam@wave.net ]
  Please Remove                         [ ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) ]
  echoplex england                      [ "bocs" <bocs@mail.bogo.co.uk> ]
  Calling all central Illinois loopeop  [ erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Willi ]
  Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a  [ KILLINFO@aol.com ]
  Looping gig in Austin                 [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  used gear anyone selling any?         [ AntiFret@aol.com ]
  JamMan, hidden function.              [ SoundFNR@aol.com ]
  Another new DOD pedal                 [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.ari.net> ]
  Del...ays.                            [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ]
  go forth and multiply                 [ KemMc@aol.com ]
  Re: Another new DOD pedal             [ RA336@aol.com ]
  Rack mounted Mixer                    [ "Steven R. Murrell" <smurrell@ford. ]
  RE: Rack mounted Mixer                [ "Mascarini, Rick (CORP)" <Rick.Masc ]
  delta-lab echotron                    [ "" <crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> ]
  RE: Another new DOD pedal             [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Rack mounted Mixer                [ "Robert S. Carter" <rsc4@hmivax.hum ]
  Re: Rack mounted Mixer                [ "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@crystal ]
  Re: Rack mounted Mixer                [ MiqSk8@aol.com ]
  visual looping                        [ sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) ]
  RE: delta-lab echotron                [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: delta-lab echotron                [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ]

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:18:09 -0700
From: mgsam@wave.net
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: On tour part II: The stylistic frontier
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Dear A:

Are you kidding?

You think we bring loopers up from LA so they can sing campfire songs?

Let it rip, babe...

Kevin

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:43:42 -0500
From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Please Remove
Message-Id: <v01510100af6e1d21f26b@[207.69.250.45]>
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Please remove. thank you for all the helpful info with my Boomerang. I
can't keep up with all the mail, but I will check in from time to time.
THANKS AGAIN!
Ron Ault

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:50:32 +0100
From: "bocs" <bocs@mail.bogo.co.uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: echoplex england
Message-Id: <199704071449.PAA17227@larry.web-plus.co.uk>
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> From: Andrew@bocs.com   
> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Subject: Echoplex England
Anyone know the best place to get hold of an echoplex in 
England ? Any maybe an idea of price. I've not had much
luck in London Central.

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:06:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Williamson)
To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
    Just wanted to tell everybody who might be in the area":  I'll.be@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Calling all central Illinois loopeople!!!
Message-Id: <199704071506.KAA12126@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com>

playing every Sunday afternoon at a coffee shop in Peoria.  The Peoria 
Wine and Coffee Works, adjacent to the Pizza Works in Peoria Heights.

    I play classic synth-based loopmusik, based (unfortunately) around 
a five-year old RDS-8000.  Here's a kitlist:
    -Roland xp80 synth
    -Roland juno6 synth
    -Digitech rds8k (7.6sec delay box)
    -Lexicon Vortex
    -Peavey Spectrum Synth
    -Peavey Spectrum Organ
    -Mackie 1202 mixer
    -Rolls CV expression pedal

    I've had an Echoplex on order for the past 7 months, and need to 
get a used Jamman too.

    I only use patches I program myself (which means I don't use the 
Peavey stuff much, as I don't have the programmer for it), which 
generally tend to be pure tones, with liberal use of the volume pedal 
and portamento.

    I also have a jazz fusion quintet, Cold Fusion, who are still 
looking for a place to play.  We play 'space jazz', trying to bridge 
the gap between jazz and ambient, trying to work in a little Booker T 
and Sly Stone on the way.

Thanks...
-- 
James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu
          One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:26:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: KILLINFO@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour?
Message-ID: <970407112620_-800083392@emout03.mail.aol.com>

Andre,

'Tis a bit early for me to be suggesting appropriate venues in the
Medford/Ashland, Oregon area (since I moved here only five days ago. But, if
I come up with something I'll be sure to let you know.

BYW, did you ever get ahold of Nels Cline about gigging at the Allegator
Lounge?

Best regards,
Ted

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:53:54 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Looping gig in Austin
Message-Id: <199704071656.JAA31586@scv3.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

For anyone in the Austin, Texas area, Jon Morris and I will be playing a 
looping show at the Electric Lounge (302 Bowie) on Thursday, the 17th, 
starting at 9:30 PM.  We'll be playing for an hour or 90 minutes 
(billed as Tiktok), depending on how quickly the main acts can get their 
rigs together.  We'll be playing in the Elbow Room/Lounge section, not on 
the the main stage, so feel free to drop by and enjoy some two-man 
looping improvisations.  Cover will be either $3 or $5, and they never 
give me accurate information before hand.  There will be four "bands" 
playing later that night, of the "electronic" variety (according to the 
booker), which given the current climate probably means something dancey, 
like Aphex Twin, or angry, like NIN.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:01:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: AntiFret@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: used gear anyone selling any?
Message-ID: <970407130113_-735951812@emout16.mail.aol.com>

anyone got any old stuff or just stuff theyre trying to unload? like a
JamMan? or
any low cost looper? ( i am firm believer in used and second hand swag )
thanks for all of your time....Pearson

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:25:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: SoundFNR@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: JamMan, hidden function.
Message-ID: <970407192324_1454425287@emout18.mail.aol.com>

Here's a JamMan trick that isn't in the manual.

First go into diagnostic mode.( Hold down reset/bypass & function during
power up, until a "d" appears).
Now turn Mode(Echo/loop/sample) control until "13" appears.
Hit rest/bypass, a "4" should appear.
Hit rest/bypass again, you'll get a very loud tone which I think is A440Hz.
My guitar tuner  says it's spot on.

If anyone out there knows why it does this I'd be interested, also any other
tricks of a similar nature for the JamMan, Vortex or Alex.

                                      .................Andy Butler.

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Adam Levin <alevin@ari.ari.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Another new DOD pedal
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970407131515.15078x-100000@ari.ari.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I just received the new catalog from Veneman's in Rockville, MD. They have
a new DOD pedal model FX-96 which claims to sport a classic analog tape
delay sound. No mention of max delay time. Runs $95.  Anyone seen one of
these or have any info? 

-Adam

---
       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,
       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 
                           becomes a Hearer."
                           - Chandrakirti

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:28:19 +0100
From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Del...ays.
Message-Id: <6902.199704081028@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>I just received the new catalog from Veneman's in Rockville, MD. They have
>a new DOD pedal model FX-96 which claims to sport a classic analog tape
>delay sound. No mention of max delay time. Runs $95.  Anyone seen one of
>these or have any info? 

I've been using the DOD ADL (FX81?) for years now, and the sound is damned
close to a tape delay.  Only problem is the total dly time, which runs to
about 300ms.

Speaking of delays, is it me or does the new Symmetrix 606 (see ad in
latest EQ) read like a Vortex, but better implemented? I mean, a
delay-based FX box with really wierd mod options, but with MIDI....

Michael

Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes      Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg,
Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979        University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K.
    "Wha's like us?  Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: KemMc@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: go forth and multiply
Message-ID: <970408112157_-1067500737@emout08.mail.aol.com>

Kim,
In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops
that
have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out.  Can you explain how to
remove multi 3 of a loop mutilplied 3 times and then how to add a different
multi 3 back  to that same loop, and does "next loop" command work to change
to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. Was that a hint that new
softwear for the plex is coming soon , in the last post. 
thanks
Kem McNair
KemMc@ aol.con

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: RA336@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal
Message-ID: <970408183242_547295108@emout16.mail.aol.com>

check out the May issue of Guitar Player magazine... as usual, a very
informative article on pedals by cool pedal-guru Joe Gore...
this box was mentioned...

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:26:41 -0400
From: "Steven R. Murrell" <smurrell@ford.com>
To: "'Loop'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>,
        "'Stickwire (discussion)'"
         <stickwire-l@netcom.com>
Subject: Rack  mounted Mixer
Message-Id: <199704091425.AA28786@internet-mail2.ford.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more =
Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs.  This would be used =
for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc.

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:06:06 -0400
From: "Mascarini, Rick (CORP)" <Rick.Mascarini@Corporate.ge.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Rack  mounted Mixer
Message-ID: <014CB98EB81ED011B3E900805FE2D47A5B8FD4@X01SCHCORPGE>

Steve,

I would recommend the Fostex rack mounted (2 spaces) line mixer -
configured
either 8 or 16 chann. I think the model is a 1216 (??) or something like
that.  I
purchased mine from AMS (American Music Supply) catalog sales for
@279.00
last December.  Works great!!
Regards.

Rick Mascarini
GE GSO/Information Delivery Services
Voice & Fax:  8*235.5187,  518.385.2394


> ----------
> From:         Steven R. Murrell[SMTP:smurrell@ford.com]
> Sent:         Wednesday, April 09, 1997 10:25 AM
> To:   Mascarini, Rick (CORP)
> Subject:      Rack  mounted Mixer
> 
> Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more
> Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs.  This would be
> used for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc.
> 

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 12:32:25 -0400
From: "" <crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: delta-lab echotron
Message-Id: <9704091632.AA25373@lucille.Princeton.EDU>

Hello,

Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or
features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and 
it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its
current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20").

Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number?

thanks!
Curtis Bahn
crb@music.princeton.edu

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:48:41 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Another new DOD pedal
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970409174841Z-18959@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

---quote---
>From:  RA336@aol.com
>Reply To:      Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Sent:  Tuesday, April 8, 1997 11:33 PM
>To:    John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Subject:       Re: Another new DOD pedal
>
>check out the May issue of Guitar Player magazine... as usual, a very
>informative article on pedals by cool pedal-guru Joe Gore...
>this box was mentioned...
>---end quote---
>
I've not recieve my may issue yet.  So how many seconds does it have?
I now the FX-94 has 4 seconds.  What about the FX-96? (It 's not on
their
web page yet)

later
>John

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:00:56 -0400
From: "Robert S. Carter" <rsc4@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Rack  mounted Mixer
Message-id: <334BD958.A33@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

> Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more =
> Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs.  This would be used =
> for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc.

I'm hard pressed to think of any smaller mixers with two pre-fader
sends. However, in addition to a single pre-fader send (monitor), mixers
in the style of the Mackie 1202 and 1604 or rackmountable LM3204 have a
switchable stereo Aux buss which might substitute for a pre-fader send
depending on your needs (for example, hit a switch to route your signal
to the LOOPING buss). Mackie also provides schematics for modifications
which may include moving an aux send from post to pre. BOB.

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 13:51:32 -0500
From: "Mikell D. Nelson" <mnelson@crystalball.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Rack  mounted Mixer
Message-ID: <334BE534.310F@crystalball.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Steven R. Murrell wrote:
> Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more
> Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs.  This would be
> used for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc.

  Absolutely. Mackie 1604. I have one in my home studio and it sounds
good and is loaded with features/quality for the price. I think used
ones go for $500-$700. Check out their other models, too.

Motley

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:27:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: MiqSk8@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Rack mounted Mixer
Message-ID: <970409152657_-1301927313@emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-09 15:01:35 EDT, Mikell D. Nelson wrote:

<<   Absolutely. Mackie 1604.  >>
i second that motion. we just got a 1604vlz for church and it's ample. very
clean. sweepable mids and tons of routing/monitoring options. and with the
rotopod you can mount/patch just about anyway you'd like, and if you change
your mind down the road, no problem. however it does not have global eq or
any effects of it's own.

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Date: Wed,  9 Apr 1997 16:20:44 GMT
From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane)
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: visual looping
Message-Id: <97040913000799@tmbsbbs.com>

Dear  Loopers,
          Usually I lurk behind Bryan while reading this group, but I
did wish to
respond to the "visual looping" query. I'm Sarajane, and I work in
polymer
clays. Like some of you, my work is non-electric, manual formation of
repetitive patterns. I use a process called caning, in which colored
clays are
 placed to form visual images, then squeezed and manipulated into a long
 tube of clay, which can be sliced to form hundreds of intricate
repititions.
 These repeat images can be further manipulated, distorted, cut, or
added to,
 used to build further patterns in progressions...sound familiar? We
have used
some of  my polymer work make visual images for Bryan, and Dave
Stafford's,
use as tape cover art, t shirts (well, two of 'em) and there is a mosaic
piece
(using thousands of sliced pieces) on the Bindlestiff website that is a
fully
encrusted and beaded guitar. (Bryan says its's some of his best work on
 guitar. Certainly it is the loudest.)
     There is a certain synchronicity between this loopgroup and the
polyclay
group  that I also read...everything from the "art-vs-entertainment"
thread to
 the  superiority of convection ovens  when baking plastics has an
audio- to-
 visual equivalent....
                 Thank you  all for being such an interesting group to
read.
                                                 Sarajane Helm

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:48:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: delta-lab echotron
Message-Id: <9704092106.AA21145@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Cutis Bahn asked"Is Deltalab still in business?"

The answer is no.

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:34:19 -0700
From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron
Message-Id: <v02140b01af723c861ab1@[207.171.196.165]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Hello,
>
>Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or
>features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and
>it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its
>current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20").
>


The Mostek parts are DRAMs. from the part number, probably 200ns, 64kbit. I
found an interesting mini history about mostek on the web page of a former
employee:

http://www.keller.com/~mff/mostek.html

They invented DRAM and went out of business when the price had dropped so
low by the mid-80's. Life in the computer biz.... You almost certainly
won't find those parts anywhere, unless you pull them out of some other old
junk.

As far as expansion, it would be interesting to find a schematic of the
echotron and take a look. It probably is not as simple as simply adding
more memory chips. You would probably need to hack some other logic in
there for addressing and such. Even then it might not be possible, or worth
it. It is worth taking a look though. Anyone know where a schematic for
this beast might be had? Surely there are some old deltalabs employees
floating around?

kim




>Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number?
>
>thanks!
>Curtis Bahn
>crb@music.princeton.edu

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