------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 57 Today's Topics: Re: More on that feedback thing [ Dave Stagner ] Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update [ nyfac ] Re: Another new DOD pedal [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Re: this stinking pedal [ MiqSk8@aol.com ] Re: this stinking pedal [ mgsam@wave.net ] Cheap Echoplex SIMMS ? [ Ed Drake ] Sitar-like effect, by accident [ Stew Benedict ] SIMMs for EP [ ] Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident [ Stew Benedict ] Re: plex UK [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ] Bill Frisell looping device [ LEONARDO CAVALLO ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:54:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More on that feedback thing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Or you could rent Steve Tibbetts fingers and setup 8-). I dunno about that... I saw Steve Tibbetts live several years ago, and he was having such horrible hum problems he couldn't really play electric guitar at all. Then it got scary... at one point, he said something about a "ghost in the machine". Then a minute or so into the next piece, one of the PA speakers fell off the stage, landing face down with a resounding thud (luckily, no one was sitting that close). To their credit, Steve Tibbetts and Marc Anderson didn't break stride at all. Incredible show, btw. For a setup, he was using a couple of 12-string acoustics, and his old Strat. He had Ernie Ball volume pedals, a Marshall JCM800, and older Lexicon delays. It looked and sounded like some loops were being sampled in realtime, and then played back by Marc Anderson via an electronic drum pad. Interesting approach. :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:49 +0000 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update Message-ID: <33520F8D.1CAF@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. wrote: > > Looking forward to the JamMan upgrade you are working on Bob- Just want to lend some moral support for fear that you might think that we don't care. Do you have some idea where you are going to take us? I don't suppose that you are working on being able to reverse in loop mode or being able to mute the input in echo mode by any chance. Trev ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:43:10 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal Message-ID: <3352F94E.5333@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > anybody know anything about the Matchless Echo Box, described in the same > issue, with a "craftily deployed cassette"? No details, but rumor has it that the retail price will be about $800 and it is similar to the original Echoplex tape loop. Of course it's all tube, coming from Matchless. Should sound great. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: this stinking pedal Message-ID: <970415154433_-32657886@emout01.mail.aol.com> ok, i guess y'all missed my point about the footcontroller. i thought i'd let it die so it would maybe just fix itself. when i try and record on the plex-i have to hold the button down for the entire length of the loop. i've just reread the manual and this does not seem correct at all. this, as i understand it, would be the "long hold" which would reset the loop. am i lost, or is this wrong? ps latest from obie: cueu late this month. sorry for the false alarm last month ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:28:42 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970415202842.009a9d38@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You need to set the RecordMode parameter back to its default of "tog" for toggle. You somehow got it set to "SUS" which gives the record function a sustain pedal action. If want to reset all your parameters to the factory default, you can do so by holding the parameter button down at power up. I actually have lots of fun with RecordMode=SUS. I use it to create micro-length delays. If you just tap the button, the loop length is only as long as the time the switch actually contacted. It's easy to get loops that are so short that the repetition rate becomes an audible frequency. I then use the replace function and vary the feedback a lot to evolve the texture and make some very cool sounds. If you've got a source playing continuously into the delay, the mix control is just like a crossfade on a dj mixer. This has given a whole new life to my old Alesis HR-16B drum machine - the two together are making some killer techno percussion grooves. The sounds are pretty unique, and very easy to manipulate in real time. Often times I'll also multiply the micro loops to add some longer phrase over the pulsing sample. I'd like to explain this better, but at the moment I'm a bit busy. I'll try to get to it later.... kim At 03:46 PM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >ok, i guess y'all missed my point about the footcontroller. i thought i'd let >it die so it would maybe just fix itself. when i try and record on the plex-i >have to hold the button down for the entire length of the loop. i've just >reread the manual and this does not seem correct at all. this, as i >understand it, would be the "long hold" which would reset the loop. am i >lost, or is this wrong? > >ps latest from obie: cueu late this month. sorry for the false alarm last >month > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Message-ID: <970415164631_-1436132753@emout16.mail.aol.com> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! i feel much better now. i, too, have found interesting uses/timbres available with this happy accident, but now am able to get going with the real deal. also updated to 198 seconds this weekend, haven't had a chance to try out though (maybe tonight!!) what is the status of the looper's recording/cd? i am very interested in hearing everyone out there doing this thing. what i am most interested in is the live/one take loop- i need to knock down the barriers of my thinking in this area badly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:47:23 +0100 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! i feel much better now. i, too, have found interesting > updated to 198 seconds this weekend, haven't had a >chance to try out though (maybe tonight!!) Where did you get your memory? Anybody have any info on who has the best prices on memory for the Echoplex? Best, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:25:49 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cheap Echoplex SIMMS ? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin said: >Where did you get your memory? Anybody have any info on who has the best >prices on memory for the Echoplex? I second this! Does anybody know the cheapest place to get the SIMMS for the plex? As someone who has a plex on order (finally!) I'd like to get that sucker fully loaded as cheaply as possible. I know there was talk here a while back about getting four 4MB SIMMS for $60-$75. I'd love to know where that is , with a phone number included. If anyone has this info, please post it to the list as this question does come up often enough. Thanks Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: stickwire-l@netcom.com Subject: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's sort of neat! Stew Benedict Teak Chapman Stick #926 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 97 13:05:31 EDT From: To: Subject: SIMMs for EP Message-ID: <970416170531_702420.204300_BHD37-25@CompuServe.COM> I just upgraded my 'plex to the full 16Mb/198sec. VERY worthwhile. Because I work as a Mac specialist, 30-pin SIMMs are pretty much free...I just took some out of an old IIcx motherboard we weren't using. However, the best price for 4Mb SIMMs I've seen recently is from L.A. Trade (800.433.3726 US and Canada) ... $28. A full upgrade for the 'plex would cost $112. Not bad. Good luck...SIMMs seem to vary in price like pork belly futures. Pick up a Computer Shopper or MacWeek and bargain hunt. --Russell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Message-ID: <970416131305_51356755@emout02.mail.aol.com> where did i get the memory? out of a dead server i'm afraid. i did look for some time, prices ranged considerably. the lowest i found was the guy listed below($22 for 4mb 30 pin), who was out of stock when i called, but was going to check to get some more. the usual "i have nothing to do with this person" disclaimer applies; i found him on a bulletin board on aol. btw, he is a guitarist! Moon Business Systems 156 Los Angeles Ave. Oxnard, CA 93035 Phone: 805-985-6495 FAX: 805-984-3295 moonbizsys@FISHNET.NET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:29:53 -0700 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and >it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting >sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied >by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to >the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, >but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's >sort of neat! > >Stew Benedict >Teak Chapman Stick #926 In this case it's probably ac current in the wires of the puck getting coupled into the pickup windings. It's probably not quite like an ebow. You could tell if the pitch of the sound was related to the pitch of the string. An ebow actually drives the string, so you can fret notes. Your sound is probably a constant pitch? I think this is like the effect of a motor in close proximity to the pickups. In addition to being fun stage props and serving other amusing uses, adjustable-speed vibrators work great for this, since you can vary the pitch. I know Reeves Gabrels and Dave Navarro are known for using that technique. There are probably lots of other electronic doodads with similar effects. I once ran my guitar through an A/D converter with a digital audio S/PDIF output. I plugged the s/pdif output directly into a tube amp and wailed away. I was amazed that the pitch of the resulting sound was the same as the pitch of the notes I played. How did it sound? Well, I liked it...Like a hideous fuzz box with some serious problems. And since it was a digital waveform, there are only two choices for amplitude, on or off. That's a lot of compression! Or: great sustain! (Do this at your own risk...if you blow your speakers up, I ain't payin'!) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:41:29 -0700 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SIMMs for EP Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:05 PM 4/16/97, wrote: > However, the best price for 4Mb SIMMs I've seen recently is from L.A. > Trade (800.433.3726 US and Canada) ... $28. A full upgrade for the > 'plex would cost $112. Not bad. > > Good luck...SIMMs seem to vary in price like pork belly futures. Pick > up a Computer Shopper or MacWeek and bargain hunt. > > --Russell > $28 is a commonly advertised price. I think I saw $23 from some ad in a recent MacWeek. At Fry's in the Bay Area, I've seen 4mb simms as cheap as $17. If you are actually ordering, you can probably bargain these guys down a bit. There are several companies that used to advertise in MacWeek and other computer rags who sold used simms. Those should be real cheap, since as Russell mentioned, there are lots of them floating around in archaic computers. I already threw out the last MacWeek I got, so I can't check phone#'s for you. Pick up some magazines at a local bookstore and check the bargain dealer ads in the back. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:21:05 +0100 From: "andrew" To: Subject: plex UK Message-Id: <199704161821.TAA26408@post.webplus.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody out there know where the Echoplex can be purchased in the UK ? London preferably. Price ? If you have infomation leading to the apprehension of one you may be eligible for a reward. mail info directly to me, if you like. much appreciated A 'cheese in the fridge with a mile long beard' DVV ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You're right Kim, it's a constant frequency, although the effect does vary slightly depending on the strings it's in closest proximity to. It seems the bass strings facilitate the best "springy" sound. I've seen Adrian Belew do some interesting effects with a cordless drill with King Crimson too. Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:11:27 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: plex UK Message-Id: <2257.199704170811@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anybody out there know where the Echoplex can be purchased >in the UK ? London preferably. Price ? I've no idea about getting a Plex in the UK, although many places stock JamMen (surely worth a thought)! You might try to contact Gibson's UK importers Rosetti (01376 550033), since they _might_ also deal with products from Gibson-owned companies (or know who does). The bad news is that I've never seen one in Glasgow, and we get most kit up here.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:00:10 -0700 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >You're right Kim, it's a constant frequency, although the effect does >vary slightly depending on the strings it's in closest proximity to. >It seems the bass strings facilitate the best "springy" sound. I've >seen Adrian Belew do some interesting effects with a cordless drill >with King Crimson too. > >Stew Benedict Adrian's drill trick couldn't possilbly be as cool as Paul Gilbert attaching a bunch of picks to a drill bit and using it to play really-fast-wheedily-shredder crap. Now that was funny! Great crowd pleaser. He even got a Makita endorsement for that one. He quit doing it when he got his hair tangled in the drill during a show. Something to think about before bringing the power tools out...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:46:52 +0200 From: LEONARDO CAVALLO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bill Frisell looping device Message-ID: <19970417174651546.AAA180@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all Yesterday night I saw the Bill Frisell Quartet performance. Incredible musicianship, great compositions for guitar, violin, trumpet and trombone; check out their CD (Bill Frisell Quartet, 1996, Nonesuch). Frisell was using an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? Someone using it? And about the price? Ciao Leo --------------------------------