------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 58 Today's Topics: Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Re: Indo-Funk Music at Open Secret [ Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServ ] Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ] Help! [ efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) ] Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ Adam Levin ] Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ PainPete@aol.com ] Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Bill Frisell [ "" ] Re: Bill Frisell looping device [ Kim Corbet ] EH 16sec delay found (WAS Re: Bill F [ David Talento ] Roland US 2 [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: Roland US 2 [ Jim Coker ] Re: Digitech pedals... [ kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) ] Re: Digitech pedals... [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 12:59:08 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-Id: <199704171800.LAA21932@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Frisell was using >an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect >pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. > >Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and >change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. >Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? >Someone using it? And about the price? As I recall, the Echoplus was just an 8-second delay, similiar to the PDS-2000, but with more memory. Nothing special, no modulation, but it did have a sample trigger input, I think. It was in the $200-300 range. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:09:13 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Frisell was using >>an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect >>pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. >> >>Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and >>change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. >>Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? >>Someone using it? And about the price? Ive got one of those echoplus pedals. Here's the scoop: ECHO+PLUS 8 SEC DIGITAL DELAY/SAMPLER PDS 8000 Digitech The device was part of the PDS pedal series made by Digitech in the late 80's early 90's. As you can guess, it is not made anymore :-(. Audio: Mono input, mono out no info about internal signal processing. Power: 10 volt DC negative ground power supply (I use a 9v dc and it works fine) or 9volt battery Functions in 3 modes: Normal- looping or short echoes Trigger- initiates a previously recorded sample (sample will loop according to regen. and delay time settings) Sample- Records the desired sample (record only-no play back in this mode) Capabilities: 100ms(???) - 8sec delay or record a sample in sample mode and then trigger the sample in trigger mode. Repeat loop indefinately Operations and controls: >From left to right across the top panel of the pedal- 3 way delay time range switch toggles between the following delay ranges: 100ms-500ms, 500ms-2sec, 2sec-8sec Delay time knob has a relative value of 1(least)-10(most) depending on the setting of the delay time range switch. Rengeration knob has a range of 1(least)-10(most) repeats of echo or loop. Mix knob allows for wet/dry mix of signal and effect ranges 0% effect/100% signal - 100% effect/0% signal LEDs for Effect on and Repeat on 3 way toggle switch for changing mode Normal Trigger Sample Output level knob Input level knob mono input for signal mono input for recording sample (trigger input) mono output Bypass pedal(effect on/off) Repeat(hold)/Trigger(initiates recorded sample) pedal Price new:???? Used: I got one for $100 Sound quality: Fine but not high quality Size: around 5" high, 6" wide and 11/2" deep Color: blue :-) I like the user interface. It is very easy to use. All of the features are right there. No hunting through menus on a rack device display. I think it is a great low end looping device. If you are looking for cheap looping this would be a great buy. Easily portable too. Sincerley, Hayden Porter hporter@UAkron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: KemMc@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Message-ID: <970417235351_-401469211@emout05.mail.aol.com> Kevin Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 You want 30pin mac simms 70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot Prices are cheap and the chips are good. kemMc@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:14:29 +0100 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Kevin >Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 >You want 30pin mac simms >70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot >Prices are cheap and the chips are good. >kemMc@aol.com Thanks Ken...I'll give them a call. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:01:40 +0200 From: LEONARDO CAVALLO To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-ID: <19970418130139250.AAA237@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the reply. You said: > > >Ive got one of those echoplus pedals. > >Here's the scoop: > >ECHO+PLUS >8 SEC DIGITAL DELAY/SAMPLER >PDS 8000 >Digitech > >The device was part of the PDS pedal series made by Digitech in the late >80's early 90's. As you can guess, it is not made anymore :-(. > >Audio: >Mono input, mono out >no info about internal signal processing. > >Power: >10 volt DC negative ground power supply (I use a 9v dc and it works fine) >or >9volt battery > >Functions in 3 modes: >Normal- looping or short echoes >Trigger- initiates a previously recorded sample (sample will loop according >to regen. and delay time settings) >Sample- Records the desired sample (record only-no play back in this mode) > >Capabilities: >100ms(???) - 8sec delay >or >record a sample in sample mode and then trigger the sample in trigger mode. > >Repeat loop indefinately > >Operations and controls: >From left to right across the top panel of the pedal- > >3 way delay time range switch >toggles between the following delay ranges: >100ms-500ms, 500ms-2sec, 2sec-8sec > >Delay time knob >has a relative value of 1(least)-10(most) depending on the setting of the >delay time range switch. > >Rengeration knob >has a range of 1(least)-10(most) repeats of echo or loop. > >Mix knob >allows for wet/dry mix of signal and effect >ranges 0% effect/100% signal - 100% effect/0% signal > >LEDs for Effect on and Repeat on > >3 way toggle switch for changing mode >Normal >Trigger >Sample > >Output level knob > >Input level knob > >mono input for signal > >mono input for recording sample (trigger input) > >mono output > >Bypass pedal(effect on/off) > >Repeat(hold)/Trigger(initiates recorded sample) pedal > >Price new:???? >Used: I got one for $100 > >Sound quality: Fine but not high quality > >Size: around 5" high, 6" wide and 11/2" deep > >Color: blue :-) > >I like the user interface. It is very easy to use. All of the features >are right there. No hunting through menus on a rack device display. I >think it is a great low end looping device. If you are looking for cheap >looping this would be a great buy. Easily portable too. > >Sincerley, > >Hayden Porter >hporter@UAkron.edu > > > >From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that I missed? I know that Frisell used a Jamman and some other delay unit, too. One of these was Boss DD1 (digital delay). Any looping capabilities? Thanks Ciao Leo ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 97 03:59:58 EDT From: Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServe.COM> To: Pete Gascoyne , David Alfano , Bernard Baars , Arthur Cronos , "INTERNET:cttart@ucdavis.edu" , "INTERNET:Harpnhorse@aol.com" , "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , Eric Meece , Shari , Stickwire , Larry Tuttle , Kyle Wohlmut , Kim Flint , Dan Drasin , Dawn Atkinson Subject: Re: Indo-Funk Music at Open Secret Message-ID: <970418075958_74164.3703_GHP33-2@CompuServe.COM> On Saturday, April 26th, Teed Rockwell (Chapman Stick) and Habib Khan (Sitar, vocals), will collaborate with Sam Sheats, Electric Bass, and Brad Van Cleave, tabla to create a dynamic and delightful musical experience. There will also be a special performance of Rockwell's original world music (accompanied by Sheats and Traps drummer Peter Gascoyne of Psychotic Melodic), and a Raga performed by Khan and Van Cleave on Sitar and Tablas. Rockwell began studying this year with Habib Khan, after ten years at the Ali Akbar College of Music, and the two discovered they had a chemistry together that made a performance inevitable. Fans of the Ali Khan Band and of Jai Uttal will surely enjoy the Indo-Rock Dance Music they have created especially for this concert. Rockwell is the only person in the world to play Classical Indian music on the Chapman Stick, an electric string instrument played by tapping with both hands on a wooden fretboard. He has played with his group "Geist" in the Festival of Harps (sm) ) at Great American Music Hall, the Yerba Buena Center, and Grace Cathedral , and is featured on CDs distributed internationally by Warner Bros. and Polygram. Habib Khan's family has played Sitar for many generations, often for the noble families of India, and have contributed several techniques to the evolution of the instrument. Since coming to America, Khan has displayed a rare gift for tuning his tradition to American ears without compromising its beauty and depth. In this special collaboration with Rockwell, their different but strangely similar instruments (and Khan's haunting vocals) dance triumphantly over Sheats' and Van Cleave's Indo-Funk Rhythm Section. Open Secret Book Music and World Art Gallery 923 C street San Rafael. 7:30 p.m. for Info call 510/548 8779 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:42:23 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Leonardo Cavallo wrote regarding Echoplus: >>From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the >pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit >knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could >not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know >if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that >I missed? > >I know that Frisell used a Jamman and some other delay unit, too. One of >these was Boss DD1 (digital delay). Any looping capabilities? I have heard recordings of Frisell doing this. I am pretty sure that he is just turning the delay time knob on the echoplus while an echo or a loop is going. This would speed up the echo and transpose the pitch at the same time. Hayden hporter@UAkron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:05:40 -0800 From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've Hoping maybe someone on the list can help me. I'm looking for a couple of pieces of gear and not having much luck finding them in LA. I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. I'm also looking for a couple of Steinberger guitars. The first is a GL2T equiped with the electronics for the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. It's the 2 humbucker w/ transtrem. The second is the strat style GM model with binding on the body and a transtrem. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Andre-there is another venue in LA that might be of interest. It's called "Lumpy Gravy" on Beverly and it's kind of a Zappa tribute club run by one of the people responsible for Duckman. They have live events every night. Havn't been there myself but I've been told it's very cool! Thanks all - Eric ("huh, whu?" - Walter Cronkite in response to Stuttering John) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, LEONARDO CAVALLO wrote: > From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the > pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit > knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could > not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know > if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that > I missed? By fiddling with the delay time knob you change the speed of the existing sample/loop. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-ID: <970418140636_608917489@emout08.mail.aol.com> I do this all the time with my Digitech RDS-8000 and RDS 1900. I hate these new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! Sorry, venting. In a message dated 97-04-18 13:44:40 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Date: 97-04-18 13:44:40 EDT From: alevin@ari.net (Adam Levin) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, LEONARDO CAVALLO wrote: > From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the > pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit > knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could > not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know > if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that > I missed? By fiddling with the delay time knob you change the speed of the existing sample/loop. -Adam >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 13:20:05 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-Id: <199704181820.LAA16762@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I hate these >new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the >manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! When will end-users get it? Cost, cost, cost! Travis Hartnett P.S. I'm in complete agreement with you, but I don't think this trend in MI design is going away. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech pedals... Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding the post on BF and realtime looping... I've been using the PDS1002 two second delay pedal for years (I actually have two of 'em now) I also use teh RDS3600 rack mount but in a differebnt way (Warping with the width feature is wonderful) Question: Has anyone put together a list of all the Digitech pedals and rack machines that are realtime loopers with knobs. I've also used the Ibanez DM1100 and some boss pieces. These are all very affordable and some have up to 8 seconds which is pretty useful. Grated they aren't Jam/plexes but for the money and availability (plus the real time knobs) they certainly warrent some attention. Anyone else use these creatures? Anyone care to comile a quick and dirty list of models and features? -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now!: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 15:01:10 -0400 From: "" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bill Frisell Message-Id: <9704181901.AA27555@lucille.Princeton.EDU> Bill has been using an Electro-harmonix 16 sec. delay for years which allows him to freely detune, reverse and generally pervert his guitar loops in concert. This devise is a "collector's item" now and the only ones I've found in the last few years have been > 1500.00$ ! I hope Kim and Motley and other delay hardware designers are checking out all the interest in the ability to detune loops in performance! The only devise I have that can do it is my delta lab Echotron (which is why I was interested in expanding the memory a few weeks ago thanks to all who replied!) Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the > manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! ...rang, rang, rang. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:23:09 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970418192309.00a3d7f0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:53 PM 4/17/97 -0400, KemMc@aol.com wrote: >Kevin >Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 >You want 30pin mac simms 30 pin PC simms work fine in the plex, too. Speeds anywhere between 70ns and 120ns should be fine. I've also used 60ns without any trouble. Prices will vary with these different options - pick the cheapest one. kim >70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot >Prices are cheap and the chips are good. >kemMc@aol.com > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EH 16sec delay found (WAS Re: Bill Frisell Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, wrote: > Bill has been using an Electro-harmonix 16 sec. delay for years which > allows him to freely detune, reverse and generally pervert his guitar > loops in concert. This devise is a "collector's item" now and the only ones > I've found in the last few years have been > 1500.00$ ! FWIW Rogue Music IN NYC a good but not cheap dealer of vintage synths and such had an EH 16 second delay in their last mailing for $795. I have always used them as a bench price for the top cost any item *should* be as they offer warrenties and are a fully professional business. Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds) and are considering reissuing the 16 sec delay again for the same reason. -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:43:43 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland US 2 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday 4/17/97 Eric Fischer wrote: I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. Good luck Eric, my partner Steev Geest has been looking for one of these for a year. Very hard to come by. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:37:18 -0700 From: Jim Coker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland US 2 Message-ID: <335813BE.2B4D@interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might try either black box or datatek, they make all sorts of computer switch boxes (datatek's run about $20 or serial). They may not have the roland connector, but you may be able to get a switcher for some other 24-or-more-conductor-cable and modify it yourself. I'm not sure about the electrical ramifications, but roland tech support may be able to help w/ that. jim Patrick Smith wrote: > > On Friday 4/17/97 Eric Fischer wrote: > > I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & > GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. > > Good luck Eric, my partner Steev Geest has been looking for one of these > for a year. Very hard to come by. > > Patrick > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:25:21 -0700 From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:27 PM 4/18/97, David Talento wrote: >Regarding the post on BF and realtime looping... > >I've been using the PDS1002 two second delay pedal for years (I actually >have two of 'em now) I also use teh RDS3600 rack mount but in a >differebnt way (Warping with the width feature is wonderful) I got into looping and delays with a pds2000. I had lots of fun with it...I should pull it off the shelf one of these days and give it another spin..... >Question: > >Has anyone put together a list of all the Digitech pedals and rack >machines that are realtime loopers with knobs. I've also used the Ibanez >DM1100 and some boss pieces. These are all very affordable and some have >up to 8 seconds which is pretty useful. Grated they aren't Jam/plexes but >for the money and availability (plus the real time knobs) they certainly >warrent some attention. > >Anyone else use these creatures? Anyone care to comile a quick and dirty >list of models and features? I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! Oh, sorry I haven't added much to the web site in the past couple of months. All of my free time has been sucked into another project.... Hopefully that will lighten up a bit in a couple weeks.... thanks kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:42:02 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Kim Flint requested info about old digitech stuff: >I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a >couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much >about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! I have Musician's friend and AMS catalogs back to spring 92. In those catalogs there is some info about the early digitech stuff. ============================================================================ Please note: ****These are not neccessarily the current prices for these products, if they are still being produced. I am in no way affiliated with Digitech, DOD, or Musicians Friend. This information was submitted to the Loopers delight list for research purposes only.**** 4/19/1997 Hayden Porter hporter@UAkron.edu ============================================================================ I have info regarding the following digitech devices: PDS-2700 Double Play effect pedal two effects in one Digital stereo chorus: speed, depth and delay time controls Digital delay: short, long delays, infinite repeat. Delay time????? Both effects can be used independantly or simultaneously 90db signal to noise ratio List price: $239.95 Musicians friend price: $169.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog Spring/summer 1992 PDS-20/20 Multi play effect pedal 3 separate stereo digital effects in one Digital stereo chorus, flanger, delay up to 2 second delay with repeat function only one effect at a time List price: $249.95 Musicians friend price: $189.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog Spring/summer 1992 PDS-8000 Echo+plus effect pedal up to 8 second digital delay with repeat can also sample up to 8 sec and trigger sample at a later time List price: $249.95 Musicians friend price: $189.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog Spring/summer 1992 RDS-4000 Time machine Rack unit up to 4 second delay and sampling, (repeat loop????) 7 other effects(no info about what these are though) Claims high quality sound List price: $249.95 Musicians friend price: $199.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog summer/fall 1992 RDS-8000 Time machine Rack unit up to 8 second delay and sampling with infinite repeat chorus, flanging, doubling 90db signal to noise ratio List price: $349.95 Musicians friend price: $289.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog summer/fall 1992 DSP-256XL Rack unit up to 4 digital effects at one time reverb, delay, chorus, flange, eq etc. 2 second delay with repeat function midi capabilities 20 bit processor 90db signal to noise ratio List price: $439.95 Musicians friend price: $349.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog summer/fall 1992 These catalogs also make mention of but no specifics for these Digitech devices: PDS-2000 Pedal unit 2 second version of PDS-8000. Probably no sampling feature RDS-1000 Rack unit 1 second version of RDS-4000. While I'm at it here are the two DOD digital delay pedals: DOD DFX-9 Pedal unit Digital delay 3.5 ms - 1 sec infinite repeat 92db signal to noise ratio List price: $149.95 Musicians friend price: $99.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog spring/summer 1992 DOD DFX-91 Pedal unit Digital delay/sampler delay/sample time 3.5-1sec infinite repeat and trigger of prerecorded sample List price: $159.95 Musicians friend price: $129.88 Source: Musicians friend catalog spring/summer 1992 ============================================================================= Please note: ****These are not neccessarily the current prices for these products, if they are still being produced. I am in no way affiliated with Digitech, DOD, or Musicians Friend. This information was submitted to the Loopers delight list for research purposes only.**** 4/19/1997 Hayden Porter hporter@UAkron.edu ============================================================================ = --------------------------------