------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: Re: Digitech pedals... [ PainPete@aol.com ] Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident [ SoundFNR@aol.com ] Live looping/jersey area [ andre ] RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident [ Michael Peters ] RE: Ground controller with JamMan [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-ID: <970419132257_452237103@emout11.mail.aol.com> There was a series of racks which were pretty much the same but for the lengh of memory and variations on the sample/trigger function. They all had knobs for delay time (one real-time variable knob, the range of which was determined by four buttons), speed, width, sample-hold, mix, feedback, input & output. They were the RDS 1900 (1.9 sec) and the rest were also named by how much memory they had - the RDS 2100 or something, 3600 or something, and 7600 or something. Then the RDS 8000 Time Machine came out which was the same deal with a different case and a full 8 seconds. I may have documentation somewhere if anyone wants to see it, though how to transmit it I'm not sure... By the way these are all very Frissel-like per that earlier topic... (And there were less fancy footpedal versions minus the speed and width controls, I think, and fewer input/output options...I had a two-second but it died a painful feedback-soaked electronic death...) I have the 1900 and 8000 and love them dearly. My first 1900 was stolen and it took me years to find another - When I got one back I felt such a deep sense of release I couldn't believe how much I'd missed it (loving gadgets is fun but bad for you when they go out of production so fast...setting myself up for a life of loss!) Pete PS - Does anyone know the resolution of the delay on those things? Is it some random bit size and sample rate that one might not expect? I've always wondered... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 04:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-ID: <970420045918_1287673722@emout12.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 17/04/97 2:33:03, you write: >some interesting effects with a cordless drill Interesting effects also with tuning forks, and a gyroscope. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 06:51:44 -0400 (EDT) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Live looping/jersey area Message-Id: <199704201051.GAA10494@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >hello all.. e.coast andre' here.... > >anyone in the nj area - my duo "Jfk's Lsd-Ufo" may be of interest to looping guitar & synth-heads like ourselves. We are drums, percussion (acous. & electr.) and guitar, and we both trigger synths and samplers (roland, casio, kawai, ensoniq. Lots of looping and crazy rhythms. Sortof in the boredoms, ruins area if you've heard them... from abrasion to beauty in a flash. Jungle sounds and silicon breathe > >here's the deal.. > >Mon april 28 > >THE SAINT >601 main st >asbury park, nj >908-775-9144 > >10:00 pm > >with the mighty....BUCKETHEAD....! > > >a completely unique guitarist - he's touring in support of a new release and this is his pre-nyc stop. don't miss it, the saint is a great small room to see shows in... > >Buckethead has played with Praxis, Bernie Worrell, John Zorn, Bootsy Collins and many many more.... > >Jfk's does improv music for percussion, drums, guitar, samples, and noise. > >be there> > >email andre@monmouth.com for directions, more info, email list, etc. > >thanx >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:25:15 -0400 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-ID: <199704201225_MC2-1499-8EA2@compuserve.com> > some interesting effects with a cordless drill >> Interesting effects also with tuning forks, and a gyroscope. ok, I can't stand back and say nothing when I read this. Interesting effects with a small portable turkish hand-held battery driven fan (I'm sure you can get them in the US too). Replace the wings of the fan by short pieces of nylon or steel strings, shoestrings, or other material, and hold it over different parts of your guitar to make very different and interesting sounds. I saw a member of the (highly recommendable) Fred Frith Guitar quartet using such a device on stage, and of course I had to have one too, but I had to wait until summer came and the turkish shops here in Cologne/Germany had a new supply of hand-held battery fans. Oh, how weird were the sounds I could make!! Also still an interesting device: the good old screwdriver. I've been using my screwdriver for many years now. Still remember the Steve Hillage concert (must have been the mid-seventies) and how excited I was seeing him use the screwdriver as a bow. The good thing about this is that you can hold it parallel to the frets to make straight chords, but also in another angle to make real weird microinterval chords. Why not add a ringmodulator? Next time I'll tell you about the possible misuses of the kind of walkman which has an inbuilt loudspeaker. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:39:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but you can a hold on it..... For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: Guitar level A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and more punchy to my opinion) A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, don't you think??? Olivier Malhomme (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LVX NOVA on tour in July--and need help :-) Message-ID: <970421111741_-2003360832@emout04.mail.aol.com> hi all! well, we are going to attempt a small tour in July, as we have to play at our distribution company BMG's convention in NYC. so if any of you on the list who live along the eastern seaboard between miami and NYC know of any good places we should contact, please let us know...and we'd love to have some of you play with us if possible...please contact me via email so as not to clog the loop list, and thanks! musically and loopily yours: bobby devito/lvx nova http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito the official LVX NOVA website ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 12:42:32 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Report on my looping show Message-Id: <199704211741.KAA08572@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jon Matis and I played a looping show last Thursday. We'd persuaded one the local clubs to allow us to play in a side lounge area before the regular evening's entertainment began. The show went off pretty well, despite a few road-bumps along the way. The venue had reorganized the room since I'd last seen it, by adding in a small, short stage at one end of the L-shaped room. We'd been expecting that we'd be playing on the floor at the other end of the "L", but time didn't allow for us to move the furniture out the way. The stage was too small to allow both Jon and I to both be on the stage, so Jon put his equipment up there and sat on a stool next to the stage. I was on the stage, but not too happy about it, since a stage seems to frame the event in terms of "look up here--this is where the action is", and I was hoping for more of a sound-installation sort of vibe, where people were free to pay attention or ignore us as need be. There's not much to look at while we play, but the use of a stage implies to many people that they should be looking at what's going on on the stage. We played for about an hour and a half, sort of one long continually evolving piece. I've recently added a drum machine to my setup, and the Echoplex is set up to sync to the drum machine. I'd bring the drum machine in and out during the performance, since I don't always want to be tied to a steady rhythm, and the patterns that I've programmed at this point are short and simple, and I get bored with them after a while. People drifted in and out during the performance, and it seemed to be well-received. Another unfortunate result of our placement within the room was that the audience were seated quite close to us while we played. That makes me uncomfortable, and several audience members I spoke to later said that it was also uncomfortable for them. At times, it's sort of like having someone read over your shoulder. I was fairly happy with how it all went, but I did feel a pressure to keep things happening. When Jon and I play without an audience, I feel much more free to lay out with a very sparse groove, but the pressure of having an audience made me less comfortable with space. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth Message-ID: <970421203808_-567061844@emout08.mail.aol.com> Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and everything else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed = Guitarist of proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him play once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort of quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. (Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost counts as a looper!) In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: << >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but you can a hold on it..... For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: Guitar level A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and more punchy to my opinion) A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, don't you think??? Olivier Malhomme (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:10:32 +0100 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Report on my looping show Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Travis for the report on your show. I totally empathize with small spaces and unexpected situations. Playing live with a lot of equipment always seems to facilitate Murphys' law. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:14:47 PST From: jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudler) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Message-ID: <19970421.211452.8271.0.JesseKudler@juno.com> Does anyone know if those mythical $150 new Vortexes are still around and where I can get one? Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:48:27 -0400 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground controller with JamMan Message-ID: <335CEBDB.4F14@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finished programming my GC last week and I just thought I would say that what a dramatic improvement it has made. I am having a much easier time getting my loops timed properly, and having control over my regeneration in echo mode given me a whole new lease on life/looping. I got a fairly descent deal on the GC too (found it used) and the ROM update (you have to run 2.0 or better, I think to have it work) was pretty cheap. Programming it is not tricky, just a bit tedious. The effort is worth it though. I heartily recommend on to anyone having trouble with the standard pedal, and I would be willing to give my standard pedal up to anyone who would want to pay for the shipping/cod/whatever. I get to keep the stereo cable, though, as it may come in handy for other things.... Trev PS- Is there any way to control the input gain via midi? I doubt it, but I would find it very useful. My old volume pedal works out ok, except for a bit of noise every now and then. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Ground controller with JamMan Message-ID: <01BC4F26.760AC4A0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trev, I have tried several times to use a continuous control pedal (a Roland = volume pedal) with my Ground Control (software version 1.0) to control = the volume on my Peavey ProFex (software version 1.3). The results have always been horrible. There's no noise, but you loose = the smooth transition from minimum to maximum volume. It abruptly steps = from one MIDI volume value to the next. I've used a volume pedal for a long, long time and feel like my guitar = is missing a couple of strings when I don't use one. If anyone knows = how to eliminate this stair-step, zippering, I'd be most appreciative. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: nyfac[SMTP:nyfac2@nyfac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 12:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground controller with JamMan Finished programming my GC last week and I just thought I would say that what a dramatic improvement it has made. I am having a much easier time getting my loops timed properly, and having control over my regeneration in echo mode given me a whole new lease on life/looping. I got a fairly descent deal on the GC too (found it used) and the ROM update (you have to run 2.0 or better, I think to have it work) was pretty cheap. Programming it is not tricky, just a bit tedious. The effort is worth it though. I heartily recommend on to anyone having trouble with the standard pedal, and I would be willing to give my standard pedal up to anyone who would want to pay for the shipping/cod/whatever. I get to keep the stereo cable, though, as it may come in handy for other things.... Trev PS- Is there any way to control the input gain via midi? I doubt it, but I would find it very useful. My old volume pedal works out ok, except for a bit of noise every now and then. --------------------------------