------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 60 Today's Topics: Re: Micro synth [ jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) ] Re: Vortex [ mgsam@wave.net ] RE: Micro synth [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] RE: Micro synth [ Stew Benedict ] Re: Ground controller and Midi volum [ zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) ] GIG THIS WEEK [ paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, ] MicroSynth [ c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) ] Unidentified subject! [ Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, ] GC upgrade [ Dan Trueman ] Soundbytes on a Website [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Re: Soundbytes on a Website [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:00:33 -0400 From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth Message-ID: <19970422190031623.AAA134@ent6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i am trying to imagine what this sound is like. is it like the wacky guitar-controlled sound on "goin' mobile" on the "who's next" album? does anybody know what that gizmo that was? At 08:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and everything >else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed = Guitarist of >proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him play >once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort of >quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. > >(Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost counts >as a looper!) > >In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: > ><< > >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth > pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> > > I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to > do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but > you can a hold on it..... > > For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both > mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: > Guitar level > A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and > more punchy to my opinion) > A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like > a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) > A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland > GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) > > The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) > > Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders > adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then > the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in > plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the > pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing > with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an > envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, > don't you think??? > > Olivier Malhomme > > (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter The State Columbia, SC (v) 803 771 8549 (f) 803 771 8430, 8480 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:33:03 +0100 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You wrote: >Does anyone know if those mythical $150 new Vortexes are still around and >where I can get one? > >Thanks, >Jesse Jesse, they are long gone...we think, but if you find a stash, please email because we will provide numbers to our Swiss Bank accounts in exchange for more Vortextual amplitude. Best, The Loop Doctors ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:28:42 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Micro synth Message-ID: <01BC4F31.DD7ED580@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, I had a chance to buy a E-H Micro Synth in the mid-'80s for $35.00 and I = passed on it. It sounds like an octave down and an octave up played through an = overdrive with envelope effects that ranged from subtle to (I think) = near self-oscillation--like an analog synth when the filter cutoff = control is turned down and the resonance control is turned up. I think it could do a decent job of re-creating the "Going Mobile" = sound. >From what I remember, it only sounded good with single note lines--it = seemed to cut the highs a fair amount; chords sounded too mushy. Now, since I've been through analog, digital and sampling technologies, = I'd welcome the opportunity to re-evaluate the Micro Synth. Vintage units are selling for around $350 ! ? They're occasionally = listed in Vintage Guitar's ads. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Jay Taylor[SMTP:jtaylor@scsn.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 3:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth i am trying to imagine what this sound is like. is it like the wacky guitar-controlled sound on "goin' mobile" on the "who's next" album? = does anybody know what that gizmo that was? At 08:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and = everything >else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed =3D Guitarist of >proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him = play >once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort = of >quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. > >(Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost = counts >as a looper!) > >In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: > ><<=20 > >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the = microsynth > pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> >=20 > I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw = what to > do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, = but > you can a hold on it..... >=20 > For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput = both > mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: > Guitar level > A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer = and > more punchy to my opinion) > A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost = like > a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) > A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland > GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) >=20 > The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) >=20 > Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders > adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, = then > the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in > plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of = the > pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, = providing > with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have = an > envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite = good, > don't you think??? >=20 > Olivier Malhomme >=20 > (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter The State Columbia, SC (v) 803 771 8549 (f) 803 771 8430, 8480 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Micro synth Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jeez, I wish I'd have known there was so much interest in this old EH stuff here. I just sold a whole pedalboard full, that I've owned since the 70's. Personally, I'd take the new stuff over it anytime. The tracking on the microsynth was horrible, and all of the EH stuff was pretty noisy. Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:34:03 EDT From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground controller and Midi volume control (was JamMan) Message-ID: <19970422.183342.4054.1.zenchi@juno.com> On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0400 Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) writes: >I have tried several times to use a continuous control pedal (a Roland >volume pedal) with my Ground Control (software version 1.0) to control >the volume on my Peavey ProFex (software version 1.3). >The results have always been horrible. There's no noise, but you >loose the smooth transition from minimum to maximum volume. It abruptly >steps from one MIDI volume value to the next. Volume pedals like the Roland (actually their expression pedals too) have a minimum "volume" knob, which the GC hates. It decreases the range of continuous controller info and contributes to the zipper effect. I use Ernie Ball Volume pedals for both volume control and MIDI CC. Though this pedal makes for a smoother MIDI volume transition, I still run the extra cable to run an audio volume pedal rather than use MIDI CC. Optimally, I'm looking for one of the old Rocktron dual VCA devices to place in my rack. If anyone finds or has one please let me know. Kim, would you repost the address for the Boogie newsgroup/discussion list? Thanks. Regards, Robert Williams DERISION ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:38:34 -0500 From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) To: Amielke@juno.com, arlene@cmhpsr.upenn.edu, bwetherbee@state.de.us, djefferson@state.de.us, Renna & Alina , Erikar@udel.edu, labarge@udel.edu, Acstine@aol.com, baron@olywa.net, bfelson@commongrd.com, Christie.G@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, CYNTHIA@server.section.upenn.edu, DrAugstrom@aol.com, elizabeth.enterprise@mailbag.com, jspeer@haverford.edu, KBarnes@popmail.brynmawr.edu, MTippett@state.de.us, Loughery@ssnet.com, Timtone@netshop.net, ROBERT HAKALSKI <73612.2122@compuserve.com>, Monda@aol.com, jbarnes@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Stuartb@voicenet.com, PAMiles@strauss.udel.edu, P.Woznicki@genie.geis.com, out@oddgirl.demon.co.uk, NDiMaria@aol.com, ccohen@voicenet.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, michpres@erols.com, mdozier@udel.edu, Lucie45@aol.com, PMimlitsch@aol.com, Juttascott@hotmail.com, BALL@music.SFSYMPHONY.ORG, David Forlano , Ed Schweizer , spfeifer@state.de.us, MJones@wlgore.com, Beth_Krieger@diamond.net.udel.edu Cc: SRoberts@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, BKPanula@aol.com Subject: GIG THIS WEEK Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The music improvisational ensemble, "ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN" (AWL) will be performing this Saturday night, April 26 @ JAM'N & JAVA, from around 8 - 11PM. JAM'N & JAVA is an intimate coffehouse in Newark, Delaware @ 99 Newark Shopping Center ... phone number is 302/456-3031. It is easily accessible from I95. For those of you who don't already know, AWL has been performing in its current form for almost two years though some members have played together for close to 20 years. The players are Steve Roberts (bass), Bruce Panula (drums) & Paul Poplawski (guitar). The group employes various sonic and compositional devices in hopes proliferating the space-time-sweat & silly dimension. You can be the judge as to our success. Hope to see you there. Other shows coming up in May and June with an improvisational workshop planned for May 17 at the Arts House of the Newark Arts Alliance. Aliens also invited. Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 06:37:45 EDT From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MicroSynth Message-Id: <9704231037.AA03772@ibx.com> In my band, I regularly use an original microsynth to affect some of my keyboard sounds. The unit is a little unpredictable with these frequencies, which I like because it never sounds the same 2x. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) To: Amielke@juno.com, arlene@cmhpsr.upenn.edu, bwetherbee@state.de.us, djefferson@state.de.us, Renna & Alina , Erikar@udel.edu, labarge@udel.edu, Acstine@aol.com, baron@olywa.net, bfelson@commongrd.com, Christie.G@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, CYNTHIA@server.section.upenn.edu, DrAugstrom@aol.com, elizabeth.enterprise@mailbag.com, jspeer@haverford.edu, KBarnes@popmail.brynmawr.edu, MTippett@state.de.us, Loughery@ssnet.com, Timtone@netshop.net, ROBERT HAKALSKI <73612.2122@compuserve.com>, Monda@aol.com, jbarnes@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Stuartb@voicenet.com, PAMiles@strauss.udel.edu, P.Woznicki@genie.geis.com, out@oddgirl.demon.co.uk, NDiMaria@aol.com, ccohen@voicenet.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, michpres@erols.com, mdozier@udel.edu, Lucie45@aol.com, PMimlitsch@aol.com, Juttascott@hotmail.com, BALL@music.SFSYMPHONY.ORG, David Forlano , Ed Schweizer , spfeifer@state.de.us, MJones@wlgore.com, Beth_Krieger@diamond.net.udel.edu Subject: Unidentified subject! Message-Id: The music improvisational ensemble, "ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN" (AWL) will be performing this Saturday night, April 26 @ JAM'N & JAVA, from around 8 - 11PM. JAM'N & JAVA is an intimate coffehouse in Newark,Delaware @ 99 Newark Shopping Center ... phone number is 302/456-3031. It is easily accessible from I95. If you need directions let me know. =46or those of you who don't already know, AWL has been performing in its current form for almost two years though some members have played together for close to 20 years. The players are Steve Roberts (bass), Bruce Panula (drums) & Paul Poplawski (guitar). The group employes various sonic and compositional devices in hopes of proliferating the space-time-sweat & silly dimension. You can be the judge as to our success. Hope to see you there. Other shows coming up in May and June with an improvisational workshop planned for May 17 at the Arts House of the Newark Arts Alliance. Aliens also invited. Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email =3D ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service =3D 302/737-4491 weekday office =3D 302/577-4980 =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83 Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email =3D ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) =3D 302/737-4491 weekday office =3D 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: GC upgrade Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm wondering if somebody who has upgraded their Ground Control to V2.0 could give me some idea of the improvements. I'm interested, but I'd rather not have to reprogram my whole pedal if it's not that much better... Thanks! Dan Trueman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:26 -0700 From: Francis Leach To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GC upgrade Message-ID: <335E791E.907@lafn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Trueman wrote: > > I'm wondering if somebody who has upgraded their Ground Control to V2.0 > could give me some idea of the improvements. I'm interested, but I'd > rather not have to reprogram my whole pedal if it's not that much > better... > > Thanks! > Dan Trueman Please unsubscribe me (remove me from the subscription) list as I don't have time to read the messages. Thanks Francis Leach ba754@lafn.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:14:56 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Soundbytes on a Website Message-ID: <01BC5087.99300780@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is off topic, but I've learned many useful things from my = fellow loopers. I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include = brief (30 second) samples of his songs. I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When = I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I = tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading = faster? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:15:28 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Message-ID: <335F9530.1880@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kata wrote: > I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. > > I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. > The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? There is a software technology called self-extracting files. These files contain a very small decompression engine and compressed data. The relatively small file is downloaded and then executed. The decompression engine does it's magic and expands the file to it's natural state. The file can then be played. The beauty is the person getting the file needs no special software to expand the file. On your end, you need the utility to create the self-extracting file; it will compress your sound file and insert the decompression engine. I have used this technology to move large graphic files between computers on floppy disk. I don't recall any specific vendor names, but you can probably find them easily by searching the net or calling a PC store. I was using Macintoshes, but surely this technology exists for PCs. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:48:32 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: , Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Message-Id: <199704241848.LAA25582@usr04.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. > > I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. > > The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? First off I recommend using other than the Sound Recorder or Media Player to record the pieces. If your sound card didn't come with a recorder that lets you control the quality level of the sound file, go get ahold of Cool Edit, at http://www.syntrillium.com - I use it to record my pieces directly to hard disk, and it does a great job of clean-up if you need to do that too. The major strength is of course that you can specify 44.1KHz, 16-bit Stereo for the file output. Secondly, the resultant 5-minute .WAV file will be prohibitively huge anyway - so go to http://www.realaudio.com and get a copy of the 3.0 encoder for RealAudio, which, amongst others, accepts .WAV files as source material for encoding into a .RA or .RAM file. The RA file will be greatly reduced in size but not in quality...! For an example of this, go to my EarthLight Studios at http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios and note the size of the two RealAudio files I've got there for downloading/listening. The original WAV files were in the neighborhood of 54MB each! The encoded RA files are about 600KB. This is well within the limitations as far as size and speed of downloading is concerned. And, if your ISP supports streaming audio using RealAudio (like mine doesn't!), the people clicking on the links to your files will hear it playing almost immediately. Hope this helps. Any other questions, let me know! Stephen. * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:46:40 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looped music and the Web Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Since the topic of sound on the web has come up I would like to discuss the web and looped music. Looping sounds solves download problems on the web: As many of you know long playing sound files can take a loonnnggg time to download and be heard. One solution is to take a shorter sound or midi file and make it loop several times or infinitely. This way you have shorter downloads and longer playing music. In creating a sound file for this purpose one has to take the compositional issues of repetition and loops into consideration. Personally I havent experienced many interesting applications of looped music on the web, but I wonder if that is because the people making these loops aren't "loopers" like us. Making looped music on the web interesting: I think it would be difficult to make a single short duration audio file, that loops over and over, sound interesting. There are other options though. Most of the web sound players allow for playing of several looped sound files at the same time. This allows for all the possibilities inherent in layering loops or multi tracking loops. By playing loops of different lengths one can create phasing and polyrhythmic effects that add variety and change to the composition over a long period of time. Also with a minimal amount of work one can encorporate interactive features like giving the user control over muting, start/stop and mixing of multiple looped sound files. I am sure there are many other techniques and possibilities than just these. (If you have any other ideas please contribute.) I have yet to try these things but I believe the web is possibly a new "venue" for experimenting with looped compositions. The web can provide a different and potentially much larger audience than most loopers perform for. Unfortunately, I havent had time to experiment with looping in this medium yet. I plan do some in about 4 weeks, when I am out of school. I would love to hear from any of you regarding this topic. If you have visited sites that make effective use of looping then please send them along. If you have tried looped music for the web please share your experiences. I look forward to your replies. Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:46:28 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark wrote: >I know this is off topic, but I've learned many useful things from my >fellow loopers. > >I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief >(30 second) samples of his songs. >The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > >What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? > >Thanks, >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com Hi Mark, I think Stephen's suggestion about using realaudio is about the best you can do to reduce audio file sizes. In addition, there are some other things you can do to get the file size down. By reducing the bit depth and the sampling rate you decrease the amount of info in the audio file (and also the quality). You might try different combinations of sample rates and bit depths. 22khz at 8bit wont sound great but it might be an acceptible compromise for file size. Also by creating mono files instead of stereo you can decrease the file size. When you put the excerpt up on the page it would be a good idea to have the real audio file and a .wav file. This way you are covered incase someone comes along and wants to hear your excerpt but doesnt have the RA plug-in. You should include a link to real audio so people can get the plug-in if they want it. One more thing, trying to compress an audio file with stuffit or compact pro or some other compression software wont help. Audio files wont compress. later, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMania Message-ID: <970424171402_1555322459@emout09.mail.aol.com> A new JamMan trick : Start a loop synched to a drum machine (or sequencer),with the drum machine as send and JamMan receiving.. You don't need to hear the drum machine if you don't want. Now vary the tempo of the drum machine. With faster tempo you get a shorter loop, it jumps back to the start before the end. ....But when you slow the tempo again, the hidden part returns ( it survives "replace" ). With slower tempo a fraction of the loop is repeated at the end of a whole loop. If, after going into "layer", you can send a midi program change to start a fade you are left with a sort of disjointed echo to play with. These effects aren't click-free, but are certainly worth the cost of a midi-lead. I used a Yamaha MU10 with a pc running Cubasis. I found that the midi-program-change No. needed to be one less than that shown in the JamMan manual. Andy Butler ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:15:50 +0100 (BST) From: Mark HEWINS <^_^@musart.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music and the Web Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970424221628.40274962@musart.sonnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Hayden! >Making looped music on the web interesting: >I think it would be difficult to make a single short duration audio file, >that loops over and over, sound interesting. There are other options >though. There's Phil Miller and I doing a 9 beat sample loop experiment on the frameset at < http://musart.co.uk/fram/samfram.htm > There are a couple of looping samples on this page..... Is this what you mean....? >From before O_O MUSIC CLIPS ON THE WEB We're going to go for MPEGS.... 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