------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. [ andre ] Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. [ Future Perfect <" artmusic"@gte.net ] music places in SF? [ Michael Peters ] Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc [ Chris Chovit ] Re: a/b switcher [ Chris Chovit ] Re: looped music/web [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ] Re: looped music/web [ Kim Flint ] Re: looped music/web [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Beatnik [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] goateeism ain't p.c. [ fred marshall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. Message-Id: <199704280634.CAA15715@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" thanx bro - you'll be there in spirit, no doubt... we play in longbranch a lot, too.. peace/music, andre' At 02:13 PM 4/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >damn, wish i could be there....i was born in long branch, at monmouth >memorial hospital....used to live on atlantic ave...good luck with the show >:-) >bobby d/lvx nova > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:04:53 -0400 From: Future Perfect <" artmusic"@gte.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. Message-ID: <33644C15.2B54@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit andre wrote: > > thanx bro - you'll be there in spirit, no doubt... we play in longbranch a > lot, too.. > > peace/music, andre' > > At 02:13 PM 4/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > >damn, wish i could be there....i was born in long branch, at monmouth > >memorial hospital....used to live on atlantic ave...good luck with the show > >:-) > >bobby d/lvx nova Ah, Andre..we are making our trek up there in early June (I'll post dates when it gets closer..for those that just can't bring themselves to wait, check out our web page below).....are ya playing anywhere from June 1-6?? By the way Bobby...I grew up in Monmouth County (Manalapan, Englishtown, Freehold area)...small world, ain't it?? How did we end up in Florida???? Arg! Dave -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:18:36 -0400 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: music places in SF? Message-ID: <199704280320_MC2-1583-FB09@compuserve.com> Vacation time. In 2 weeks, I'll be leaving rainy Germany to get fried in the American southwest (May) and hang out in San Francisco (1st week of June). I'd appreciate recommendations for (music related and other) places to go, especially cool music hardware shops in SF, and those obscure record shops where I can find unusual music. Also, if anyone of you will be doing concerts at this time, maybe I could make it there. Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 09:25:38 TZ3 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Message-Id: <9703288622.AA862244748@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> Cakewalk is a sequencer software for Windows. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 26/04/1997 14:43 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Pardon my ignorance, but this has been bothering me for quite sometime as I read all the messages on the list, what exactly is "Cakewalk"?..unfortunately the name itself does not elucidate its meaning.. I hope ... thanx a bunch, --yonni jharif@emerald.tufts.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:35:04 +0100 From: "andrew" To: Subject: a/b switcher Message-Id: <199704281233.NAA25462@mail.bogo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question : Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around this with the above idea. Thanks men, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:47:09 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Miguel wrote: > > I am facing the following problem with JamMan, that maybe somebody > already solved and can give me some help. > > An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends > MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! > > The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan > introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I > found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from > continuos sounds and many other things. > > This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the > computer or any other box. > > Any clues on how to solve this? > The way I understand this is that the MIDI beat clock has a certain "randomness" associated to it, that is each beat may be up to 1/96 or 1/128 of a second off of an absolute clock. So, if your beats are 1 second apart, the actual time between beats may end up being 0.99 to 1.01 seconds. If you have a 1 second loop, the loop will get CUT OFF slightly, when the time between beats is 0.99 seconds. Thus, when the time between beats is 1.01 seconds, there will be a .02 second gap, or glitch. It seems to me, there is no way to resolve this. Any ideas? - Chris --------------------------------------------------- AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator mailto:avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov ftp://ophelia.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/docs/html/AvDep.html Lab: (415) 604-2170 Pager: (888) 415-4547 --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:55:42 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a/b switcher Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andrew wrote: > >Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) >to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker >in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer >with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were >used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send >to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the >amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound >a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around >this with the above idea. > An A/B switch should work, as long as it can handle the current. I've been using a similar setup with a THD hot plate. Just be sure that (if your amp is a tube amp) that you always have a load on the amp, whether it is from the speaker or the emulator. Are you sure your amp line-out is pre-power-tubes? (I think) on my amp, the line out is after the power tubes but before the output transformer. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:47:13 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music/web Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. >It is my understanding that due to the way MCI controls work on PCs, it >is possible for a large audio file to "repeat" with a short gap of >silence instead of "loop" seamlessly with the end of the file imediately >joined to the begining. Is there a way to bypass the MCI controls in >this situation and create a seamless playback of a loop on a PC using >the Beatnik plug-in? > This was the encouraging response: "Beatnik does not use any of the MCI playback devices on the PC. Rather, Beatnik is a software synthesizer that allows us to bypass the MCI connection to the soundcard and frees us from any restrictions imposed by the MCI. This feature enables Beatnik to sound and operate EXACTLY the same on every platform, regardless of sound card quality. In addition, Beatnik offers one of the most robust API's available - giving the user COMPLETE control over virtually every aspect of the sound/song file. By bypassing the MCI, we have made these controls the same on every platform, giving the user an unprecidented amount of control over their work." Doug support@headspace.com http://www.headspace.com - ------------------------------ Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:12:43 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music/web Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970428201243.009eb3fc@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > [interesting beatnik stuff] > >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? > Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration sites with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that let you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and letting them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a graphic on the page. It was all incredibly cool. Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web sound fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, which replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for all web based audio now, and highly recommend it. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:25:55 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: looped music/web Message-Id: <199704282025.NAA00677@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) ---------- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: looped music/web > Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > > At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio > >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > > > [interesting beatnik stuff] > > > >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? > > > > Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration sites > with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that let > you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and letting > them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a graphic > on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > > Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web sound > fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, which > replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for all > web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a/b switcher Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, andrew wrote: > Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) > to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker > in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer > with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were > used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send > to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the > amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound > a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around > this with the above idea. Couple of things come to mind -- first, in the Homespun vid, I believe that Torn said he'd had his Rivera amp custom-modded so that the speaker could be switched on or off, while maintaining the load. As someone else mentioned, be careful if you're using a tube amp, because if the amp isn't hooked up to a speaker (or a load resistor, or a simulator with a built-in load), then you'll blow the thing up. (Disregard this warning if that is in fact the result you're looking for...) --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:16:28 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music/web Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970428211628.009eacc4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available on all platforms. I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs before pc's for a change, heh heh...... kim At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > >---------- >> From: Kim Flint >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: looped music/web >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM >> >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >Hi all, >> > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new >audio >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. >> > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] >> > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this >plug-in? >> > >> >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration >sites >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that >let >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and >letting >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a >graphic >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. >> >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web >sound >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, >which >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for >all >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. >> >> kim >> _______________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >> Chromatic Research >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:30:59 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Beatnik Message-Id: <199704282231.PAA11331@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh, the name "Beatnik" would imply that Thomas D. still is sporting the goatee... Alas, the centrism of the Mac community will be its ultimate downfall. :) Cases like this - Mac-sourced ports - have hardly ever come to fruit, since Mac developers tend to not go outside their own community when they port something to the PC platform. Their assumptions in many cases (from hardware on down) tend to come off as more an evangelization of the Mac platform, than what it may or should be. Otherwise Adobe, etc. would be doing much better by now. Typically we on this side of the fence have come to expect disappointments with respect to ports from Mac platforms, mainly for this reason. Which, of course, lends itself to a 'wait and see' attitude on this side. Not to dis something before its time, of course, I'd welcome the opportunity to assist Mr. Dolby in his efforts. I've been in the PC community on the development end on down, since 1981, and know a bit about system processes. And I've got contacts that have written some heavy-hitters on the multiple-platform level as well: for instance, the guy who wrote the software for pen recognition that you use when you sign for a UPS package? > I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with > plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available > on all platforms. > > I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs > before pc's for a change, heh heh...... Then again, I've come to know "PC vs. Mac" arguments as nothing more than intellectual masturbation. :) I've worked on Macs as well, going back to 85. But the business world being what it is, and the PC being what it is, in their opposite states of change, well, I know what pays the rent. :) If I supported just Macs for a living I'd have one here - despite my great dislike for having Philosophy installed in the hardware. [s] However, I remain in an observant frame for this. Cheers, Stephen. PS - Have you ever been to my site? Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------- > > At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've > >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based > >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > > > >---------- > >> From: Kim Flint > >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Subject: Re: looped music/web > >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > >> > >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hi all, > >> > > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new > >audio > >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > >> > > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] > >> > > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this > >plug-in? > >> > > >> > >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration > >sites > >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that > >let > >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and > >letting > >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a > >graphic > >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > >> > >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web > >sound > >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, > >which > >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for > >all > >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > >> > >> kim > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > >> Chromatic Research > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:05:43 -0700 From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Beatnik Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB2A3@SF-01-MSG> Well, you can either have philosophy installed or just bad engineering and something that claims to pass for user interface. The reason a lot of complex media-related apps get developed on the Mac is because of that "philosophy". If you create a consistent and coherent environment, things can be easily made to fit within it. You make philosophy sound like a dirty word. -Tom Attix Microsoft Quality Assurance toma@microsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [SMTP:sgoodman@primenet.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 1997 4:08 PM To: Tom Attix Subject: Beatnik Heh, the name "Beatnik" would imply that Thomas D. still is sporting the goatee... Alas, the centrism of the Mac community will be its ultimate downfall. :) Cases like this - Mac-sourced ports - have hardly ever come to fruit, since Mac developers tend to not go outside their own community when they port something to the PC platform. Their assumptions in many cases (from hardware on down) tend to come off as more an evangelization of the Mac platform, than what it may or should be. Otherwise Adobe, etc. would be doing much better by now. Typically we on this side of the fence have come to expect disappointments with respect to ports from Mac platforms, mainly for this reason. Which, of course, lends itself to a 'wait and see' attitude on this side. Not to dis something before its time, of course, I'd welcome the opportunity to assist Mr. Dolby in his efforts. I've been in the PC community on the development end on down, since 1981, and know a bit about system processes. And I've got contacts that have written some heavy-hitters on the multiple-platform level as well: for instance, the guy who wrote the software for pen recognition that you use when you sign for a UPS package? > I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with > plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available > on all platforms. > > I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs > before pc's for a change, heh heh...... Then again, I've come to know "PC vs. Mac" arguments as nothing more than intellectual masturbation. :) I've worked on Macs as well, going back to 85. But the business world being what it is, and the PC being what it is, in their opposite states of change, well, I know what pays the rent. :) If I supported just Macs for a living I'd have one here - despite my great dislike for having Philosophy installed in the hardware. [s] However, I remain in an observant frame for this. Cheers, Stephen. PS - Have you ever been to my site? Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ > > At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've > >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based > >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > > > >---------- > >> From: Kim Flint > >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Subject: Re: looped music/web > >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > >> > >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hi all, > >> > > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new > >audio > >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > >> > > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] > >> > > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this > >plug-in? > >> > > >> > >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration > >sites > >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that > >let > >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and > >letting > >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a > >graphic > >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > >> > >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web > >sound > >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, > >which > >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for > >all > >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > >> > >> kim > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > >> Chromatic Research > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:20:23 -0800 From: fred marshall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: goateeism ain't p.c. Message-ID: <336568F2.2FD@fredmarshall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - somebody once said, "the world is more like a thought than a thing". - hats off to the gentleman from ms. mmmmmmm - yo chris! - beat is beautiful ! ! ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:37:49 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music/web Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks, I didnt mean to start up a PC vs. Mac war over a few loops. {:+/ I just wanted to know if anyone using Beatnik on a PC had any problems playing a "seamless" audio file loop. They, Headspace, claim that Beatnik bypasses Window's MCI controls. Consequently I would assume that the gap of silence that Stephen Goodman previously pointed out would not be present on a loop played back using Beatnik. Also I dont believe that you have to encode a file into Headspace's RMF format to get Beatnik to play it back. The readme that comes with Beatnik claims that it plays all standard formats plus its own RMF and that it should be backwards compatible with Liveaudio (NS). I think this test would be a simple matter of just using the Beatnik plug-in to play back any audio file loop (wave, au or aiff) on the web and listen for a difference between its playback and Liveaudio's playback. I am assuming that liveaudio does not bypass the MCI controls and as a result puts in a gap of silence inbetween each repeat of the loop. Beatnik since it bypasses the MCI controls should play the loop seamlessly. Unfortunately, I cannot test this myself because I dont have access to a PC. Have I got anytakers out there??? or would you all rather drop the matter???? Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu --------------------------------