------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 64 Today's Topics: Re: looking for looper [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ] Re: looking for looper [ Stew Benedict ] Re: looking for looper [ Kim Corbet ] Re: JamMan modifications [ Dave Stagner ] Jamman Mods [ Joe Cavaleri ] Re: new sustainiac sustainer [ Kim Flint ] Re: Digitech pedals... [ Kim Flint ] Re: JamMan modifications [ Kim Flint ] Re: new sustainiac sustainer [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ] fernandes sustainer [ hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) ] Re: Digitech pedals... [ "T.W. Hartnett" The Music Place (609)768-2226 in Berlin N.J. is going out of business and has: 1-Echoplex Pro-$429.00 2 (3?)-Lexicon Vortex-$? Note: I'm not affiliated w/ The Music Place. Just hope somebody else buys the Plex. before I'm "forced" to add to my credit card debt 8-). (Actually I really don't "need" a plex, for now, but the price seems really tempting.)--Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine their mail-order has them also. Stew Benedict On Sat, 3 May 1997, Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yo...I just saw a boomerang in the display case at Brook Mays Pro Shop in Dallas. I know they're sellin like crazy, but I've been told they're about to catch up with the demand...g'luck. Rang a Dang, ya'll. > I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine > Stew Benedict > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > > yet??) at manny's. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:37 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: <336C2899.10EC@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. Try Rudy's on West 48th Street. Both Rudy's and Manny's should receive a shipment of Boomerang Phrase Samplers by Thursday, May 9. Please e-mail me directly if you continue to have problems locating a Rang, and thanks for your interest. Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:15:58 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: <336C299E.4973@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stew Benedict wrote: > > I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine > their mail-order has them also. > > Stew Benedict > > On Sat, 3 May 1997, Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. Apparently any Guitar Center will do mail orders. There are 3 stores in the Boston area, also. Mike Nelson, a.k.a. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: <970504171007_1618218861@emout08.mail.aol.com> >Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and >Boomerang. >Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or >never in >yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. I got my Boomerang from Guitar Center in MN. They had to special order it because I got the 4 meg upgrade. I am sure Mannys could order it for you. You could try ordering directly from Boomerang, they may sell direct, although I am not sure. There number is 800-530-4699. Hope this helps, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:43 +0100 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Bob: The Loop Doctors have been thinking about Jammen modifications. Here are the two IMPORTANT must have items on our mod list. 1: We want to be able regulate loop volume with an expression pedal. 2: In the ECHO mode, we want to be able to control FEEDBACK with an expression pedal. Is this possible? Best, The Loop Doctors ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:36:12 -0500 From: Ed Drake To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Tuesday, Andy at SoundFNR@aol.com posted this to Looper's Delight which seems to be from Bob Sellon at Lexicon: >In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: > >>We have been considering the issue of different sized loops >>simultaneously but are not sure of how to implement it cleanly. For >>instance, if you created a loop in 4/4 then wanted a second loop of a >>different size, would you want the second loop to be in a definable >>relative time signature (5/4, 13/4) or just "tapped" in on the fly? Our >>current software approaches the traditional multi-loop concept used in >>Jamman (play the current loop then switch to the next one) by switching >>"Pages". Each Page can have up to 4 simultaneous loops which change when >>the Page changes. The Page changes at the end of the loop. How do I deal >>with this if the loops are of different size. If I wait for the end of >>each loop, the loops on the second page will be out of sync even if they >>weren't intended to be. Any ideas? We have the capability to have loops >>of different size but we have been backing away from them because of >>problems like these. We also weren't sure how many people would use them >>if we did work it out. Obviously there are some. >> >>If you have a preference on how you would like the thing to work, let me >>know. I can't make any guarentees but would like to put this kind of >>functionality in the new rom if we can. >> >>Bob Sellon >>Lexicon/Stec >> >> Bob, is there a way to offer both functions to the JamMan upgrade depending on which "mode" you wanted? Obviously if you are in the "synced" mode you would want all loops to be the same length. One thing I've found frustrating if not impossible to do with the JamMan is if I'm playing a rhythmic loop with the JamMan but I'm not synced up to anything (drum machine, sequencer), say I'm just playing guitar and I want to switch to a second loop it is very hard if not impossible get the second loop to be exactly timed right. My timing is pretty good but but it still takes several passes, if I'm lucky, to get the second loop to line up. This limits trying to use this live. If the loops didn't have to be exactly the same length though, you could switch loops and even if the second loop was slightly shorter or longer than the first it wouldn't matter as each loop would maintain its own "integrity". There are times when I do want to sync so it would be nice to have either mode available. Maybe there is a way to implement both depending on which mode you want to access, synced or non-synced. What do you think? Also, do you know what other new features you hope to have in the new upgrade? Thanks Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:23:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 4 May 1997 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Dear Bob: > > The Loop Doctors have been thinking about Jammen modifications. > > Here are the two IMPORTANT must have items on our mod list. > > 1: We want to be able regulate loop volume with an expression pedal. > > 2: In the ECHO mode, we want to be able to control FEEDBACK with an > expression pedal. One more thing... true stereo I/O! But basically, I think they're right. Expression pedal control of feedback and volume, whether through MIDI or CV, would make the JamMan near-perfect. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:05:53 -0700 From: Joe Cavaleri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman Mods Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970506000553.006bfee0@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Some of the mods on my wish list: 1. The ability to modulate the loop. --- time of loop/pitch 2. Expanded memory. I'm not very technology literate.. to me these mods seem very feasible. joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:00:00 -0300 From: "Juan Manuel Aguirre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sampler alternatives? Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello loopers of the world, As I cannot afford a 3000$ Roland sampler, could you tell me if there is any sound card alternative? Thanks, The Negative Eye ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Aviansongs@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-ID: <970505234135_53370740@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-19 07:03:36 EDT, you write: > I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a > couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much > about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! > > Oh, sorry I haven't added much to the web site in the past couple of > months. All of my free time has been sucked into another project.... > Hopefully that will lighten up a bit in a couple weeks.... > > thanks > > kim Sorry, I know this is a little late to respond, but I'm still using the Digitech RDS 7.6. It's a very nice machine with a lot of features including KNOBS! Knobs for delay time, feedback, rate, and depth. It also has a lot of CV inputs including delay time, and several outs (mix out, dry out, and phase out). I actually traded in my Delta Lab 4096 for it (plus some cash). Although, I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. I'm also using a Jamman. It will be a great day when the digital machines will allow you to Pitch Shift and/or Time Compress/Expand your loops (in real-time!). Marc - EWI, Bass, Chapman Stick, Bass Recorder, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:09:54 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Message-ID: <336EAF12.2EEB@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KelRey@aol.com wrote: > > >Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and >Boomerang. > >Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or >never in > >yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. > > I got my Boomerang from Guitar Center in MN. They had to special order it > because I got the 4 meg upgrade. I am sure Mannys could order it for you. > > You could try ordering directly from Boomerang, they may sell direct, > although I am not sure. There number is 800-530-4699. > > Hope this helps, > > Kelly From the cradle of the 'Rangs, down in Texas - We do sell direct, but only to customers who are not fairly close to a Boomerang dealer. The dealers would abandon us if our policy were different. Loop on... Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products, a.k.a. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:05:52 -0500 From: "Gary Osborne" To: Subject: new sustainiac sustainer Message-Id: <199705060410.XAA18890@beavis.inetdirect.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop us a line if you want more info. Gary Osborne Maniac Music, Inc. 8320 Meadowbrook Drive Indpls, IN 46240 317-259-8295 maniac@inetdirect.net ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 1997 11:21:05 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: JamMan for sale Message-ID: >From Harmony Central: Lexicon Jam -Man with 32 second upgrade Asking Price: US$300 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: Works perfectly usual mini scratches on top and bottom from racking and re-racking. Seller: Roland Eberle, E-mail: roland@ccnet.com Location: HAYWARD, CA Post Date: 5/4/97 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:39:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: looking for looper Message-Id: <9705051705.AA07027@beryllium.lexicon.com> Someone asked: "I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. Where can I find these" Last I knew there were JAMMEN at Pat's Music at 215-743-4766. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:49:57 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: "Gary Osborne" Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >us a line if you want more info. > >Gary Osborne >Maniac Music, Inc. >8320 Meadowbrook Drive >Indpls, IN 46240 > >317-259-8295 > >maniac@inetdirect.net ok, I'm game. Tell me more! I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The pickup even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) I like the fernandes thingy pretty well. Makes a great sound source for loops. How does the new Sustainiac compare to that? What I remember about the old sustainiac is that it required external hardware and some large device connected to the headstock of the guitar. Hopefully you've improved on that design approach? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:04:28 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 97-04-19 07:03:36 EDT, you write: > >> I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a >> couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much >> about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! >> >> kim > > Sorry, I know this is a little late to respond, but I'm still using the >Digitech RDS 7.6. It's a very nice machine with a lot of features including >KNOBS! Knobs for delay time, feedback, rate, and depth. It also has a lot of >CV inputs including delay time, and several outs (mix out, dry out, and phase >out). I actually traded in my Delta Lab 4096 for it (plus some cash). >Although, I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. > Marc - EWI, Bass, Chapman Stick, Bass Recorder, etc. Hey, cool! Thanks for responding! Would you like to help out with the web page a bit? I actually started a web page for the RDS 7.6 just this past weekend. So far it only has an advertisement from long ago that Travis Hartnett scanned. The ad is sort of neat actually. The url is: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html Any contribution you can make would be greatly appreciated. Functional description of the unit, things you like to use if for, scan/ocr of the manual, etc. Whatever you've got time and interest to contribute, please do! If you can put it in html, that's a great help. If not, we can probably find someone to help out. Also, I added a bunch of stuff in the tools section of the web site the last couple of days. Mostly other stuff that Travis scanned for us. There's an Electro-Harmonix 16 sec ad, Jamman ads, the timemachine ad. It's fun, check it out..... And thanks for your work on this Travis! Anyone else want to contribute to the website, please don't hesitate! Community involvment is the key here...... thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:33:10 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:36 AM -0500 5/5/97, Ed Drake wrote: >On Tuesday, Andy at SoundFNR@aol.com posted this to Looper's Delight which >seems to be from Bob Sellon at Lexicon: > >>In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: >> >>>We have been considering the issue of different sized loops >>>simultaneously but are not sure of how to implement it cleanly. For >>>instance, if you created a loop in 4/4 then wanted a second loop of a >>>different size, would you want the second loop to be in a definable >>>relative time signature (5/4, 13/4) or just "tapped" in on the fly? Our >>>current software approaches the traditional multi-loop concept used in >>>Jamman (play the current loop then switch to the next one) by switching >>>"Pages". Each Page can have up to 4 simultaneous loops which change when >>>the Page changes. The Page changes at the end of the loop. How do I deal >>>with this if the loops are of different size. If I wait for the end of >>>each loop, the loops on the second page will be out of sync even if they >>>weren't intended to be. Any ideas? We have the capability to have loops >>>of different size but we have been backing away from them because of >>>problems like these. We also weren't sure how many people would use them >>>if we did work it out. Obviously there are some. >>> >>>If you have a preference on how you would like the thing to work, let me >>>know. I can't make any guarentees but would like to put this kind of >>>functionality in the new rom if we can. >>> >>>Bob Sellon >>>Lexicon/Stec >>> >>> These are interesting discussions. We spent tons of time figuring out how to deal with these ideas on the Echoplex too. Challenging, isn't it? I didn't totally follow the "page" thing. How is that again? What do you mean by "simultaneous loops"? Do you mean four independent tracks playing at once as a loop? I didn't think the Jamdude had the processing muscle to do anything like that. Or do you mean four discrete loops which are available to switch between? The issue of rhythmic freedom vs. various degrees of synchronization is a fundamental problem with multiple loops, I think. The effort involved in making these features musically useful on the echoplex was huge, but worth it. Basically, you have to give the musician the option to choose. And the musician should be able to make the decision on the fly, with a minimal amount of setup. Some musicians (like Matthias) do not want any synchronization, insisting that they always be free to tap the lengths wherever they please. And some, (like me sometimes) want precise synchronization, allowing for polyrhythmic relationships. And most times, different types of music and different situations just call for one or the other. Tough challenge for the designer! It sounds like you may be struggling with some basic architectural limits of the jamman. Hopefully you can find a way around them! The loop synchronization issue is a big can of worms. Once you open it a little bit, it just explodes and becomes very complicated in a hurry! Ed said: >Bob, is there a way to offer both functions to the JamMan upgrade depending >on which "mode" you wanted? Obviously if you are in the "synced" mode you >would want all loops to be the same length. Actually, no. Sometimes you want them to be multiples of each other. Say loop 1 is a four bar verse section. For loop 2, you want a 16 bar chorus loop. So it has to be exactly 4 times the length of loop 1. That's a pretty common need. > One thing I've found >frustrating if not impossible to do with the JamMan is if I'm playing a >rhythmic loop with the JamMan but I'm not synced up to anything (drum >machine, sequencer), say I'm just playing guitar and I want to switch to a >second loop it is very hard if not impossible get the second loop to be >exactly timed right. My timing is pretty good but but it still takes >several passes, if I'm lucky, to get the second loop to line up. This >limits trying to use this live. You need a good time copying function. It should let you record the second loop while the time is being set up, so that there is no interruption in the performance. The second loop should somehow stop recording and begin looping automatically when it reaches a multiple of the first loop. The echoplex does this by combining the NextLoop and Insert functions, which worked out miraculously well. Could you use the JamMan's midi sync functions for this? If you had something providing a midi beat clock and created the first loop synced to that, couldn't you just sync the second loop to the same clock? >If the loops didn't have to be exactly the >same length though, you could switch loops and even if the second loop was >slightly shorter or longer than the first it wouldn't matter as each loop >would maintain its own "integrity". >There are times when I do want to sync so it would be nice to have either >mode available. Maybe there is a way to implement both depending on which >mode you want to access, synced or non-synced. What do you think? That's the thing. Sometimes you want to sync the loops, and sometimes not. And sometimes you want the loops to be multiples on each other. Sometimes shorter, sometimes longer. And sometimes you want the first loop in 5/4 and the second in 17/8 and the third in 11/4 and the fourth with no rhythm at all. And sometimes you want to copy the audio too. And sometimes you want to sync your sequencer up to all of this. And sometimes you want five loopers to do this all synchronized together. And sometimes.....well it keeps us busy, right Bob? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:48:35 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gary Osborne wrote: >Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >us a line if you want more info. > >Gary Osborne >Maniac Music, Inc. >8320 Meadowbrook Drive >Indpls, IN 46240 > >317-259-8295 > >maniac@inetdirect.net I second Kims request for more info about this technology. Does the new sustainiac give you control over which overtones feedback like the old one did? Is it possible to put the new sustainiac in another guitar than the one it is sold with? Does the new sustainiac work with electric nylon string instruments?(I know this is an oddball question. I have a gibson chet atkins solid body electric nylon string and I just hate the fact that the nylon strings have no sustain!!!!) I look forward to your reply. Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:11:26 -0400 From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fernandes sustainer Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim Flint wrote: >I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The pickup >even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) I have some questions about this pickup, but first let me give you some background about my dilema. I am a classically trained guitarist/composer. I would like to compose solo electric guitar pieces that explore signal processing and looping. Becuase of my background, I am most comfortable playing with my fingers. Consequently I bought a Chet atkins electric nylon string guitar. It is a really nice guitar but it is not an effective instrument for signal processing or looping because of the limited sustain and sound quality of amplified nylon strings. What I need is an instrument that has the classical string width spacing AND has steel strings. With this combination I can explore long sustain and signal processing with conventional electric guitar technology while not affecting my technique. Any suggestions? Now to get back to the Sustainer pickup.... I foresee some problems with conventional pole pickups and the classical string spacing. Is it possible to use a conventional pickup with this spacing or would active electronics be better? I also wonder if the fernandes sustainer pickup would work with this spacing. I would really love to have infinite sustain by using the fernandes or the sustainiac on an instrument with classical width spacing. Enough ramblings..... I look forward to your reply Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 97 10:11:12 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Message-Id: <199705061513.IAA12036@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. There's one for sale where I practice, with the footswitch and manual. If you're interested, I'll check the price for you. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hayden Porter Message-ID: <970506120843_708777392@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hayden, you wrote: > What I need is an instrument that has the classical string width spacing AND has steel strings. With this combination I can explore long sustain and signal processing with conventional electric guitar technology while not affecting my technique. Any suggestions? - Get in touch with the guitar builders at Ithaca Stringed Instruments... they have some incredible electro-acoustic instruments, and will also custom design/build stuff. I currently have a nylon-string guitar and a steel-string; both of which interface beautifully with all my looping/processing gear. I've used them both on tours with exceptional results. You can reach them by vox/fax at 607-397-3544 and they'll send you a catalogue. Great stuff, really! have fun! --------------------------------