------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Re: loopers meet @namm [ The Man Himself ] Re: Torn article ie beyond Fripp [ finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matthew F ] Re: Sakamoto site [ RA336@aol.com ] Re: loopers meet @namm [ James Reynolds ] Re: loopers meet @namm [ Paolo Valladolid ] Trying to get beyond Fripp? [ The Man Himself ] Re: One other bit of Frippery [ Dan Howarth ] RE: Trying to get beyond Fripp? [ Michael Peters <100041.247@compuser ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers meet @namm Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 Texture444@aol.com wrote: > wish i could get together w/y'all at this namm shindig! We'll be thinking of ye, have no fear. > andre: i hope i didn't cut yer hose w/my letter; Not to worry -- my hose is still very much intact. 8-{} > i just felt a wee bit > misunderstood, there; never having been an idolater of bobby fripp, every > once in a while i get tired of hearing his name being *equated* w/the art of > looping, ya dig? s'pose it's a tad "small" of me, but..... I can see your point; there are plenty of people like myself whose introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history behind the art form all the time. Thanks for de-lurking to give us all the word! See y'all, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:12:48 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers meet @namm Message-Id: <12280.199701151112@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David: >at the moment, i'm looping in japan w/ryuichi sakamoto: (me, rs & dj spooky >are acting as "soloists" in front of rs' 70-piece multi-mediafied orchestra: >all the concerts are internet-cast: check the sakamoto website, if ya >wanna.....) Nice work if you can get it... :) >andre: i hope i didn't cut yer hose w/my letter; i just felt a wee bit >misunderstood, there; never having been an idolater of bobby fripp, every >once in a while i get tired of hearing his name being *equated* w/the art of >looping, ya dig? s'pose it's a tad "small" of me, but..... The problem here is that Fripp has produced a lot of live looping material, ie "here's a looper and a bunch of FX and a guitar, and here's what you can do with them in your own home/ at the pub/etc." So it becomes a standard because it's what most of the people on this list do. For example, I gather WMS,T is de/reconstructed loops - something that most of us aren't really in a position to do, so it's difficult to take as a benchmark. Now if a live, solo DT album were to be released (SUBTLE HINT HERE, DAVID) then it would be something that related to us more as "live" loopers. A recent debate in these virtual pages talked about going "beyond Fripp", but only in the sense that his looping methodology is the one we're all familiar with. "Bobby" Fripp. Heh heh heh... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:37:18 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Sakamoto site Message-Id: <199701151536.HAA49958@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I believe the Sakamoto site is: http://www.kab.com/m/siteskmt/ Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: KRosser414@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #6 Message-ID: <970115115309_38543828@emout18.mail.aol.com> Hi - I just wanted to drop a note to the list that I got a Guitar Center "Inventory Clearance" flyer in the mail yesterday, and in small print way at the bottom of one page is a listing of GC Southern California locations blowing out the Lex JamMan at $199. I don't recall which off the top of my head but I remember Fountain Valley, Brea and San Marcos but not Hollywood or Sherman Oaks Ken R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:12:51 -0600 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: Torn article ie beyond Fripp Message-ID: >>andre: i hope i didn't cut yer hose w/my letter; i just felt a wee bit >>misunderstood, there; never having been an idolater of bobby fripp, every >>once in a while i get tired of hearing his name being *equated* w/the art of >>looping, ya dig? s'pose it's a tad "small" of me, but..... >The problem here is that Fripp has produced a lot of live looping material, >ie "here's a looper and a bunch of FX and a guitar, and here's what you can >do with them in your own home/ at the pub/etc." So it becomes a standard >because it's what most of the people on this list do. For example, I >gather WMS,T is de/reconstructed loops - something that most of us aren't >really in a position to do, so it's difficult to take as a benchmark. Now >if a live, solo DT album were to be released (SUBTLE HINT HERE, DAVID) then >it would be something that related to us more as "live" loopers. A recent >debate in these virtual pages talked about going "beyond Fripp", but only >in the sense that his looping methodology is the one we're all familiar >with. >"Bobby" Fripp. Heh heh heh... >Michael Sept 96 issue of Guitar player has David Torn revealing his secrets for looping for those of you wishing to go "Beyond Fripp". I very inspiring article. Unfortunately they put the "Space Rock" article on the web instead of the Torn article, so'll you have to visit your library or borrow a friend's mag. see below for issue details: http://www.enews.com/magazines/guitar_player/archive/960901-001-toc.html If this has already been mentioned, sorry but I've only been on the list a month or so see ya John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matthew F. McCabe) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn article ie beyond Fripp Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John said: >Sept 96 issue of Guitar player has David Torn revealing his secrets for >looping for those of you wishing to go "Beyond Fripp". I very inspiring >article. > >Unfortunately they put the "Space Rock" article on the web instead of >the Torn article, so'll you have to visit your library or borrow a friend's >mag. You can find said article on the Torn Web page. And the URL is.... http://ott22.engin.umich.edu/torn/writings/in-the-loop.html Hope that helps!! Matt ------------------------------------------------------------ King Never http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Matthew F. McCabe Able Cain King Never Marathon Records ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: RA336@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sakamoto site Message-ID: <970115203009_1891661939@emout08.mail.aol.com> thanks Travis!... best, Robby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:41:05 -0800 From: James Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers meet @namm Message-Id: <199701160141.RAA00886@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Torn wrote: >at the moment, i'm looping in japan w/ryuichi sakamoto: (me, rs & dj spooky >are acting as "soloists" in front of rs' 70-piece multi-mediafied orchestra: >all the concerts are internet-cast: check the sakamoto website, if ya >wanna.....) wow, that's going to be an amazing show. everyone here already knows how spiff david is, but anyone who hasn't checked out dj spooky, go buy "songs of a dead dreamer" right now. groovy urban-ambient type stuff ("illbient"), very inspirational for us loopers. how does he get those sounds??? james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers meet @namm Message-Id: <199701160149.RAA20474@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > everyone here already knows how spiff david is, but anyone who hasn't > checked out dj spooky, go buy "songs of a dead dreamer" right now. groovy > urban-ambient type stuff ("illbient"), very inspirational for us loopers. > how does he get those sounds??? > > james Thanks to this list, I heard about dj spooky and Meat Beat Manifesto and bought their CDs. I too found their works to be inspirational. I don't see myself spinning records but I feel I can learn a lot from listening to them. Paolo Valladolid ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:02:37 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: loopers meet @namm Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David Torn wrote: >>at the moment, i'm looping in japan w/ryuichi sakamoto: (me, rs & dj spooky >>are acting as "soloists" in front of rs' 70-piece multi-mediafied orchestra: >>all the concerts are internet-cast: check the sakamoto website, if ya >>wanna.....) > >wow, that's going to be an amazing show. > No doubt. Why doesn't this kind of thing happen in the US? >everyone here already knows how spiff david is, but anyone who hasn't >checked out dj spooky, go buy "songs of a dead dreamer" right now. groovy >urban-ambient type stuff ("illbient"), very inspirational for us loopers. >how does he get those sounds??? > Well, when I saw him perform it was just with 2 turntables, a CD player and a DJ mixer that evidently had a delay/looper built in. And a lot of really cool records, of course. I heard a sample I recognized but couldn't quite identify, so I paid attention when he took it off the turntable, recognised the Deutch Gramaphone label, it was Stockhausen's "Gesang der Jungeling". Also noticed bits of Satie and Prelude to the Afternoon of a Fawn on the Dead Dreamer record, the guy definitely knows something about music. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:40:30 GMT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn article ie beyond Fripp Message-Id: <8917.199701161140@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Torn said: >>>andre: i hope i didn't cut yer hose w/my letter; i just felt a wee bit >>>misunderstood, there; never having been an idolater of bobby fripp, every >>>once in a while i get tired of hearing his name being *equated* w/the art of >>>looping, ya dig? I replied: >>The problem here is that Fripp has produced a lot of live looping material, >>ie "here's a looper and a bunch of FX and a guitar, and here's what you can >>do with them in your own home/ at the pub/etc." So it becomes a standard >>because it's what most of the people on this list do. For example, I >>gather WMS,T is de/reconstructed loops - something that most of us aren't >>really in a position to do, so it's difficult to take as a benchmark. Now >>if a live, solo DT album were to be released (SUBTLE HINT HERE, DAVID) then >>it would be something that related to us more as "live" loopers. A recent >>debate in these virtual pages talked about going "beyond Fripp", but only >>in the sense that his looping methodology is the one we're all familiar >>with. > John Ott added: >Sept 96 issue of Guitar player has David Torn revealing his secrets for >looping for those of you wishing to go "Beyond Fripp". I very inspiring >article. The question (and it's a good one) is "why are we all so wrapped up in Fripp"? It occurred to me after reading Loopers of the World on the Web page - about 80% of players list Fripp as an influence. Now, how many players here sound like RF when we play? C'mon. Be objective. I'm guessing the number's big. Jeez, I do (well, like RF with a bad hangover) and I spend most of my time trying _not_ to sound like him. DT: >>s'pose it's a tad "small" of me, but..... No, it's small of _us_. Looping far exceeds the boundaries of any given player. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 97 07:48:17 EST From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Torn article ie beyond Fripp Message-ID: <970116124816_74074.1316_GHQ47-5@CompuServe.COM> Michael writes: >The question (and it's a good one) is "why are we all so wrapped up in >Fripp"? It occurred to me after reading Loopers of the World on the Web >page - about 80% of players list Fripp as an influence. Now, how many >players here sound like RF when we play? C'mon. Be objective. I'm >guessing the number's big. Jeez, I do (well, like RF with a bad hangover) >and I spend most of my time trying _not_ to sound like him. Which is why I have relegated my once beloved GR-300 to the duty of providing K/L (knobs and lights) amusement for my sons. I'll tell ya--it's really hard *not* to sound like Fripp when you play that thingy! Also, way back in the dark daze of'84 I started running a mix of synth and dry guitar through a fuzz box. Then, along comes "Gone to Earth" and there's Mr. Bobby doing the same damn thing. I was crushed--I really thought I'd found a new sound with the little blue guy. BTW---Nice of you to de-lurk Mr. David Torp. Later, JD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:17:08 +0100 From: vajra@dimensional.com (Robert Phelps) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just thought y'all might be interested that Robert Fripp himself posted on the Elephant Talk forum last week in response to widespread "interest" in his work etc. and apparently reads the posts regularly. Perhaps he would be open to engaging himself in the "beyond Fripp" thread I've seen of late here. He may be unaware of the forum altogether. Be forwarned he is indeed quite "Frippian" in his responses however. Lurking and looping, B.P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:40:36 -0500 From: neato@pipeline.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Torn article ie beyond Fripp Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David Torn said: >> never having been an idolater of bobby fripp, every >>once in a while i get tired of hearing his name being *equated* w/the art of >>looping, ya dig? neato says: this brings up a point, i've been meaning to address...(sorry if it's been covered before, but i'm new here) -the use of the loop has been around well in advance of robert fripp....in fact his actual frippertronics system is based directly on that of minimalist composer-terry riley...riley had been experimenting with tape loops since the early 60's (and in turn influenced other 60's loopers like daevid allen and hugh hopper of soft machine)...this evolved into his use of the two reel to reel tape delay system which he used for all night keyboard performances...(documented on the double record set-persian surgery dervishes-1972) furthermore, i recall reading an interview with riley where he was amused that fripp had essentially taken his (riley's) system and named it (frippertronics) after himself! -the point being, as torn points out, is that looping can be approached from a myriad of places and not just through robert fripp...influential as he may well be! (myself included!) cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@pipeline com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:34:21 -0500 From: Michael Peters <100041.247@compuserve.com> To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: trying to get beyond Fripp Message-ID: <199701161834_MC1-E81-EB08@compuserve.com> Michael Pycraft Hughes: > how many players here sound like RF when we play? C'mon. Be objective. I'm > guessing the number's big. Jeez, I do (well, like RF with a bad hangover) > and I spend most of my time trying _not_ to sound like him. Thanks for saying this. It really feels good to hear that others have this problem too. :) We should start a Frippers Anonymous group! In fact, most mainstream guitarists sound so much like other mainstream guitarists that they are all hard to tell apart, but then this is taken for granted and doesn't feel like a problem - this is what you do if you play mainstream rock after all, you *want* to sound like mainstream. Our problem is that Fripp's style is so unique and so easy to recognize - every young guitarist who loves his playing, and internalizes some of it, will very likely "sound like Fripp" to some extent. In my youth I had no problem with that because it was so exotic that few people recognized my playing as Fripp influenced. Today it's different - sometimes I hate it because it feels so silly. What's the point of sounding like somebody else after all? But it's so hard to stop falling into these habits and to find one's own unique playing style - to be so original that noone instantly comes and says, "hey, that sounds just like Bill Frisell". David Torn's "stop playing like other guitarists" hangs on my wall as a reminder. I hope it will help. Michael Peters private: mpeters@compuserve.com work: mp@harold-scholz.de http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters (Never whistle while you pee) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:41:33 +0000 From: Trevor Bajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: trying to get beyond Fripp Message-ID: <32DE846D.6019@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In fact, most mainstream guitarists sound so much like other mainstream > guitarists that they are all hard to tell apart, but then this is taken for > granted and doesn't feel like a problem - this is what you do if you play > mainstream rock after all, you *want* to sound like mainstream. > > Our problem is that Fripp's style is so unique and so easy to recognize - > every young guitarist who loves his playing, and internalizes some of it, > will very likely "sound like Fripp" to some extent. In my youth I had > no problem with that because it was so exotic that few people recognized my > playing as Fripp influenced. Today it's different - sometimes I hate it > because it feels so silly. What's the point of sounding like somebody else > after all? But it's so hard to stop falling into these habits and to find > one's own unique playing style - to be so original that noone instantly > comes and says, "hey, that sounds just like Bill Frisell". This has got to be one of the most over-quoted aphorisms in the known universe, but it is one of those onions of wisdom that keeps being revealed to again and again: Good artists are influenced by their heros, but great artists steal from them (or something to that effect (Picasso I think?)). When I listen to any of the recordings I have made I can hear an evolution as time goes by, but I think that there are fundamentals that have never really changed from the first day that I started shronking out chords from my first tele (although I can tune it now.) This sensibilty has had my many influences grafted on to it, but when I listen to ambient stuff I've done, art-core stuff I've done, even my blues-ish stuff, I think (any MANY have disagreed with me) that I sound like the same guitarist. Every musician you have ever heard has influenced you, in one way or another, either positively or negatively. We have obviously have all heard a lot of Fripp's work. It has to have made some kind of impact. (Maybe I'm alone in this, but people have said to me that I sound a bit like Fripp at times, especially when I am ripping off Marc Ribot.) An original sound/style/whatever is a synthesis and recombination of thousands of elements- mine are people like Fripp, Neil Young, Thurston Moore, Lou Reed, Page Hamilton, and just about everything I have every heard on 4AD and Discord Records, not to mention Ornette Coleman, Marc Ribot, Charlie Parker,- but I have a fairly distinctive style. But you CAN hear my influences. One thing I can say with fair certainty is that if you hear a musician that sounds like no-one else, you haven't her/his record collection. I find it hard to believe that most of us here haven't been influenced by Fripp in some fundamental way. I have, and there is only one Crimson record that I can stomach listening to. I don't play any licks that haven't been played in some form or another somewhere else before. My style (and I would hypothisize most of yours too) comes from the way you combine your influences. Once I put a band wanted ad in the Voice saying my influences were Neil Young, Ornette Coleman and Sonic Youth. After seeing the ad in print I thought 'geez, I should have picked more diverse influences'. I don't know if I am making any sense here- I think I am trying to address too many thing at once after a day that has been too long. Sorry. > (Never whistle while you pee) Always good advice, this. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Trying to get beyond Fripp? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try this: Stop listening to Fripp and check out a very very different area of music. That sounds (and reads) a lot more harsh than it's really intended, but I've always found that the best way to let an influence assimilate into my collective unconscious, rather than sound like the musical equivalent of a bad photocopy, is to get what I can from someone's work and then go someplace very different. Focusing one's creative interests in a more opposite sort of direction seems to facilitate any previous influences' settling into their proper place in the psychic cue. On a related note, I saw at the NAMM show today (thanks Ted!!!) a couple of huge posters of Fripp and Belew in the Fernandes booth, both of them being advertised as Sustanior (is that what it's called?) endorsers. I tried the sustainer, and what do you know -- very Frippish. So the moral of today's lesson: If you already sound more like Fripp than you want to, don't buy a Fernandes! --Andre P.S. - See the home studio feature on David Torn in the current (Metallica cover) issue of _Musician_. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Memory Man is back Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not overly familiar with the Electro Harmonix Memory Man pedal, but I understand it to be similar to an Echoplex (the original stuff, not the Oberheim bit) in design and function, with added pitch-modulation features. Apparently the thing has been reissued, with a price of (I *think*) about $200, and is in stores as we speak. (Er, type). --Andre P.S. -- Stopped by the Gibson wing at NAMM. There were acres and acres of Les Pauls and SG's, a handful of Steinbergers tucked off to the side, and a tiny little Oberheim display. The good news is that they did actually have an Echoplex and a footpedal there, although everyone's attention was geared towards an organ module. ('Scuze my ignorance in these matters.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:34:47 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: One other bit of Frippery Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In light of RF's ongoing presence in the list, you might get a kick out of this excerpt of a post he made to the Crimson list: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jan 97 05:16:45 EST Subject: From Robert Fripp Monday, 13th. January 1997. Dear Team, 1. Harvey Keitel and Kevin Spacey should play Fripp in "King Crimson: The Movie", in alternating scenes. Who cares if anyone's confused? 2. Stop arguing about Fripp's attitude towards you, etc., and acknowledge he's the greatest guitarist in the world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If nothing else, the man has a sense of humor which utterly redefines all previously held notions of deadpan. Off to listen to anything *but* Fripp, --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:51:03 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: One other bit of Frippery Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII it's purely frippian to see someone speaking in the third person about themself... what a guy! i wouldn't have thought of Harvey Keitel, though. of course, he played the best 'tough guy' jesus i've seen. :) **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:52:34 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: One other bit of Frippery Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII er.... sorry.... that was JUDAS. ah, those biblical figures! (what are they to a college student more interested in oscillated delays on flanger voices on a sunday morn?) **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:22:59 -0500 From: Michael Peters <100041.247@compuserve.com> To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Trying to get beyond Fripp? Message-ID: <199701170223_MC2-F8A-CA7B@compuserve.com> Andre: >Try this: Stop listening to Fripp and check out a very very different area >of music. That sounds (and reads) a lot more harsh than it's really >intended, but I've always found that the best way to let an influence >assimilate into my collective unconscious, rather than sound like the >musical equivalent of a bad photocopy, is to get what I can from someone's >work and then go someplace very different. yeah, you're probably right. > So the moralof today's lesson: If you already sound more like Fripp > than you want to, don't buy a Fernandes! I've already got one. I've been using it for 2 years and it's a wonderful device. You can do things with it that Fripp hasn't done yet! Michael Peters private: mpeters@compuserve.com work: mp@harold-scholz.de http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters (Never whistle while you pee) --------------------------------