------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? [ "kim corbet" ] Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] echoplexes shipping [ Stew Benedict ] Re: Technique and Looping [ Kim Flint ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 97 01:34 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > ps: any of you loopers ever play in blues bands? ..We alls gots us a swamp boogie band what's called Rotten Rubber Band in lil ol Dallas. Stymie, the lead singer and core persona plays a custom instrument called "The Bull", half bass/half guitar. He plays in through a rang and lays down great funky, shuffle blues groove- and form-loops, moving on to rhythm riffs or leads. I sometimes bring mine in, too, to play multiple horn parts on...although, with my other processing, including a Whammy II pitch wanker, I can already get a horn section sound without it. All told, three of us have rangs, but the REAL lead guitarist (aka Motley) sounds so good already, he's decided it might get to be too much for the down-home sound we're shooting for. spare kim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 04:35:14 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: obermuehlner@takefive.ch Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim complained: >I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but when my two Echoplexes are >connected in stereo, there is complete audio degradation in the slave unit in >five minutes. Nothing but noise. Yes, very sorry, a very simple bug: MIDI was not able to transfer the maximum feedback value. This might answer Gabriels question, too. >Five minutes goes by very fast. Its not a matter of time, actually, but of the number of repetitions passed. Long loops fade slower. > Oberheim has not been any help on this. Now I read that they are shipping >units again. This just seems ridiculous to me if the problems have not been >worked out. Definitally ridiculous. >The manual is also a nightmare of inconsistency and >misinformation. Any corrections to this? Well, I wrote a manual to the LOOP delay, that goes deeper, has a more functional structure and is all correct. Just the language and presentation is not that perfect. It takes some upgrade to fit for the Echoplex. I could do that somewhen. Even if Oberheim insists on Warrens version, we could put it on the page, right, Kim? >Sorry I seem so bitter I was much more so. Years of horror. >Kim's a lovely guy, but >I wish he'd stop concerning himself about Jamman mods and get on with this >upgrade. Its not him. Its Gibson that finally has to assume a long time ago worked out contract. And nobody understands what they are waiting for. It was a big loss of reputation and money for them, too. >Perhaps there are not many others in the same boat as me, so this >situation can drag on forever. I'm sure that most people buy just one 'Plex. Not at all, because there were many more bugs than the ones related to stereo. You may not have noted them, depending on your use. >If the update ever does come out, and you want to be amazed, slap another >Echoplex in your rig and check it out. Quick multitracking the likes of >which you have never seen. Stereo Echoplexes (with the mythical update and >extra memory installed) are to music what Polaroid cameras are to >photography. Thank you! And MiqSk8 kindly apologized: > I thought that kim, matthias et al. had moved on to other jobs, no >longer working for obie. i also kinda inferred from the faq that this thing >was basically in the can. That is what we had to do to make some money (the last we got after insisting heavily was about 7000$ in the end of 1995). There are no engineers at Oberheim or G-WIZ that understand the matter. The most important bugs I had fixed in January 95, soon after the first release. I screemed not to get reviews with the old version, but management prefered to read in Guitar Player about the bugs I already had fixed at the time! Then, Oberheim bosses came and went... I know I should not too open at this stage, but, hell, you need to have an idea. And if the problem does not get resolved soon, I might ask you suffering fellows to inject some energy into the case ;-) So far, lets keep cool. Without respect for clients and creators, money shall not flow for the leaders. Its a matter of (little) time and (much) awareness to cure us all. Bob, wanna trade? You must have had your own difficulties... Be well Matthias By the way: I was not posting for months and often behind in reading. I was working like crazy, and got out of balance... Soon I will reapear and send a bunch of old replies that I have to update yet and also some new stuff. We might talk more about plexing again... You Loopists been very helpfull to me in terms of return and comfort. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplexes shipping Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I guess I'm responsible for stirring up the software upgrade mess. Sorry! Kim., I for one really appreciate your efforts to date on the 'plex and putting together this list, it's a great resource! Thanks! Stew Benedict ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:42:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Technique and Looping Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Has anyone else noticed this? > >The more time I spend looping, the poorer my manual technique becomes. > However, my musical judgement and sense of orchestration increase. > >While the more time I spend playing with a band in real time, the >better my manual technique becomes (to a point). However, my musical >judgement and sense of orchestration in a live setting seem to benefit >from looping. Since I got into looping, my sense of rhythm and tempo has improved dramatically. If your tempo drifts while recording a loop, it's hard not to notice when it jumps from the end back to the beginning! It forces you to be better. Just hearing your own playing coming back immediately is a great education. Somehow, when I'm playing I am able to imagine that it sounds pretty good, and ignore some of the little mistakes. I can't ignore it when I listen to it loop! It gives you instant feedback about the mistakes you didn't even realize you were making. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------------------------