------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 75 Today's Topics: Sustainiacs [ nyfac ] Reversing Jam Mod [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: Reversing Jam Mod [ Kim Flint ] Re: Sustainiacs [ Kim Flint ] Ordering JamMan memory [ Jeff Schwartz ] Re: Ordering JamMan memory [ Sean O'Donnell ] Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) [ Adam Levin ] Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd [ Kim Flint ] Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Re: Klein Electric Guitar [ Kim Flint ] Re: Klein Electric Guitar [ Dan Howarth ] Robert Fripp in the UK (and yes - th [ David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton ] Re: Klein Electric Guitar [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:49:46 -0400 From: nyfac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sustainiacs Message-ID: <338CA87A.2A76@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any of you out there have the chance to mod the Sustainiac gadget to word with non-strat guitars? I own too many guitars, and not one of them is a strat. That last thing I need is another guitar to haul around. I am thinking in particular of an Ibanez Talman- while the thought of routing out enormous cavities in my '63 Jaguar is tempting :) I think I will be able to ignore those urges. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:48:14 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reversing Jam Mod Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob, Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but it may get very cool..... Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:32:03 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Reversing Jam Mod Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I'd highly recommend that one. It's a favorite effect of mine.... kim >Bob, > >Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would >allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward >section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but >it may get very cool..... > >Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:45:16 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainiacs Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Any of you out there have the chance to mod the Sustainiac gadget to >word with non-strat guitars? I own too many guitars, and not one of >them is a strat. That last thing I need is another guitar to haul >around. I don't know about the sustainiac. I've seen the Fernandes Sustainer mounted in other guitars though. Neal Schon has a whole bunch of PRS guitars with it (and GK-2's) built in. The hard parts are getting the pickup sent to you from Japan, and finding someone who can competently install it. It has to be placed in a precise location in relation to the other pickup or it doesn't work right. I think Gary Brawer in SF did Neal's guitars. Lorenzo at Klein guitars told me that he installed a sustainer in a klein and it was a big pain. I guess it worked though. He successfully talked me out of doing that to my Klein guitar. (which I just finally got a couple of weeks ago, and which I can confidently say is the most beautiful and simply the best guitar I've ever played, totally worth every cent) >I am thinking in particular of an Ibanez Talman- while the thought of >routing out enormous cavities in my '63 Jaguar is tempting :) I think I >will be able to ignore those urges. I'd put it in a cheap guitar. I actually bought a cheap fernandes just to get the sustainer.... I don't know anything about the new sustainiac thing yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:12:38 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ordering JamMan memory Message-ID: <338CD806.585D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking at the JamMan stuff on the Looper's home page and I was wondering if anyone has ordered JamMan memory from www.visionsoft.com. If so, exactly which chips did you get? They seem to have several that will do the job (accoding to Greg Hogan's info on the JM memory page) for extremely cheap ($9.95 each!) but I am not sure exactly what's what with chips and wanted to check with the vast assembled wisdom of the list... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:29:31 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Q2 Message-Id: <4538.199705290829@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A bunch of people around here have been talking about the Alesis Q2 for looping. On al _slightly_ related note, how is is for distortion presets? Ob. loop content - did anyone find out if the Q2's memory is expandable beyond five seconds? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:02:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Although I use myself a lot a my fernandes with the VG-8, because of the sustainer, let us not forget the E-bow. It still provides incredibly controlable sustain (between other things). Of course it is monophonic, but, most "feedback aamp" are mono harmonics. Now as far as sustainers are concerned, it is clear that I don't only use the thing to provide wistling harmonics for dive bombing or whatever. The use of a raising octave insides clean chords or a raising 5th (in fact, the 17th) is extremely effective. The effect is fully contrlable too (even not as much as an "E-bowed" note). And then there is this new sustainiac coming... Which seems to offer mostly the best of both worlds, according to the notice I got from them... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 97 07:46:25 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-ID: <970529114625_74074.1316_GHP77-2@CompuServe.COM> Hey Kim, you got a Klein???? Way to go. Just got mine as well. My brother Kingsley and I will be playing at their booth at NAMM--should be a gas. Especially since we haven't really played together for more than about an hour in, oh, 12 years or so... Any guitarists out there in loop land owe it to themselves to check out these guitars. I know they look odd and cost a bunch o' money, but I have to tell you that I've never played anything that felt and sounded so good. It's literally changed my life: where previously I'd pick up the guitar once every few days to play because I needed to practice, I now pick it every time I'm waiting for a large document to print, or when I know I'm going to be on a long phone call--just to work my fingers. And the sound. Wow. I can't believe I've replaced the rootbeeer guitar (my PRS of the last five years, 2 records) but I have without regret. (Sorry, Bonni...) Later, Jon Durant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:36:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Bob's amazing Lex Enhancement Message-Id: <9705271348.AA17932@beryllium.lexicon.com> Michael wrote: >Bob, you mentioned that you were considering using a PC program to run the >JM enhancement. Will it be possible to run it without a PC, purely by >MIDI? I don't have a PC and wouldn't really want to gig with one. Of >course, this is jus one voice in the marketplace, so feel free to ignore >it. I was just wondering; since most of the best JM features are already >only accessible to MIDI, there's no real change in design philosophy. (Of >course, if I could run it from a 386 I would probably end up buying one...) Michael, I do bring a PC with me to some gigs (a laptop) but this really wasn't my only intention for the glass interface. Other uses I have been thinking about are: 1. Configuration of the system for live gigs. On of the things I have been getting frustrated about with all of these rack mount systems is the limited user interface. With the lousy interface on the JamMan, its hard to set up certain features that the system is otherwise capable of doing (noise gate, compression, etc...). One of the things I was considering was making the footswitches and "Mode" encoder (the right hand one) programmable so you could select what you want them to do. Another this is setting up mixes with the parallel loops (pan, level). 2. Another use for a glass interface is "On-line help". The basic idea is to have a soft version of the users manual that pulls up the appropriate page of the manual as you use the system. Or, an interactive manual that sends commands to the JamMan and perhaps contains audio samples that play back through a sound card to demonstrate the system. The possibilities are frightening. Though some of the configuration stuff could be done with something other than a glass interface, I suspect that it would be extremely time consuming (not impossible, just a pain in the ass). I'll definitely keep your situation in mind, however. By the way thanks for feedback on the glass interface folks. I sort of suspected that the Mac may have been the most common system in use. One of the options I am exploring is the use of Java to perhaps make the tool(s) platform independent. I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:41:17 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory Message-ID: <338D958D.447C@vm.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, et al.: Regarding the chip type for the JamMan, Greg Hogan once wrote: >Subject: RE: exact jamman memory specs? >From: "Hogan, Greg" >To: Loopers-Delight >>Stew Benedict asked:"Does anyone have the exact spec (generic part number - >>whatever) for the Jamman "zip" memory?" >The answer is 1Mega Byte x 4 bits at100 nanoseconds or faster 20 pin zip >style DRAM, quantity 4. >Best regards, >Greg Hogan >Lexicon Customer Service Now, the listing on the visionsoft page says they have: 1x4-70ns Static Column Zip (A3000 Fast RAM) The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg says we need 100ns or faster? Are these visionsoft chips 20 pin? Anyone? Sean O'Donnell Jeff Schwartz wrote: > > I was looking at the JamMan stuff on the Looper's home page and I was wondering > if > anyone has ordered JamMan memory from www.visionsoft.com. If so, exactly which > chips did you get? They seem to have several that will do the job (accoding to > Greg > Hogan's info on the JM memory page) for extremely cheap ($9.95 each!) but I am > not > sure exactly what's what with chips and wanted to check with the vast assembled > wisdom of the list... > -- > Jeff Schwartz > jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu > http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:29:08 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Dork with a DOD nees help Message-Id: <9705298649.AA864919908@ns.faulkcomp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings form Boris. I'm 15 and have been playin geetar for about 3 years now. I'm very new to looping, but I really love doing it. And I need some tips, tricks ect. My equiptment is really crappy. I use a DOD 4 second delay/sampler for my looping duties. I really enjoy doing Frippertronics type things with my Ebow and volume controll. I also use some crappy chorus pedal, a Boss Heavy Metal pedal, and a Crybaby 535 wah pedal. My guitar is a Peavey Preadator the I modified with new pickups, tuners, ect. And I painted all over it. My main Influences/inspiration people are: Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tom Morello, David Torn, Syd Barrett, Lou Reed, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Jamie Muir, Dave Brubeck, and the band Morphine. Any interesting artists/bands I should hear? Any looping tips? Boy I really sound like a dork. mmason@faulkcomp.com I probably didn't send this to the correct address. Sorry. I'm a dork remember? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just got this note from Doctor Nerve's Nick Didkovsky: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Heya, If you have a Java-enabled Web browser, check out: http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/nerve/pages/interact/loopmachine/loopmachine.shtml Loop up to 8 different sounds, with independent loop times. Create layers of audio your neighbors will love. Rock on, Nick ------------------------------------------------- Doctor Nerve Home Page: http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/ ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:41:48 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes! That's fun! It ran rather badly on my computer, but I certainly got the idea. (they shoulda used beatnik.....) I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. Any java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to contribute audio? It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to sonify pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. I don't have any time to organize it really, so if anyone wants to help out, please do! kim >I just got this note from Doctor Nerve's Nick Didkovsky: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Heya, >If you have a Java-enabled Web browser, check out: >http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/nerve/pages/interact/loopmachine/loopmachine.sh >tml > >Loop up to 8 different sounds, with independent loop times. Create layers of >audio your neighbors will love. > >Rock on, >Nick >------------------------------------------------- >Doctor Nerve Home Page: >http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/ >------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:11:44 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Message-Id: <199705291812.LAA17261@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. Any > java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to > contribute audio? Alas, Java only handles 8kHz mono .au format, at my last use of it... Otherwise I'd been fiddling with it for a while. There's a routine I'll put on my area sometime soon if you like, that I tested a while ago, using up to 8 separate .au files, mixed together and randomly implemented... But, without Stereo, sound is still a novelty act on any PC in my opinion. We can thank the Sun folks, or UNIX, or just Java-in-general for this little problem. So no amount of Mac vitriol or side comments need apply. > It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to sonify > pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. Perhaps a rotating, er, LOOPING list of some of our work would be in order for this... I'm starting to wonder if the routine talked about might be the same one - but not being able to get into the site, one can only guess. I get a Site not Found message. Stephen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 97 18:24:22 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Austin Looping Show Friday Message-Id: <199705292325.QAA15922@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For anyone in the Austin, Texas area on Friday, May 30th. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett and Jon Matlin) will be playing at Spider House starting around 7:00PM. Spider House is on Fruth and 29th St, behind the old Antone's location. Admission is free, and the performance will end around 9PM. Tiktok is an improvisatory duo employing various looping devices and techniques. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:09:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:11 AM -0700 5/29/97, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. >Any >> java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to >> contribute audio? > >Alas, Java only handles 8kHz mono .au format, at my last use of it... Java in conjunction with the Beatnik plugin gets around this quite nicely, I believe. I played with a couple sites on the headspace example page that did this quite well. (and no, you don't need the mac only headspace file format editor, so don't get all bent about that again :-) >But, without Stereo, sound is still a novelty act on any PC in my opinion. >We can thank the Sun folks, or UNIX, or just Java-in-general for this >little problem. So no amount of Mac vitriol or side comments need apply. I think the original intent for java was more for embedded processors, which is probably why it's not so hot for multimedia web stuff. Besides, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using Sun workstations for audio of any sort, so what do you expect? (a little Sun vitriol, just for variety) >> It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to >sonify >> pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. > >Perhaps a rotating, er, LOOPING list of some of our work would be in order >for this... That would be cool. Keep it from getting too dull with the same thing everytime. >I'm starting to wonder if the routine talked about might be >the same one - but not being able to get into the site, one can only guess. > I get a Site not Found message. It was sort of lame interface-wise. It has 8 sets of boxes where you type in the number of the audio file you wanted and the length of its loop time. It would then download the audio file and loop it, in a slightly garbled fashion. A list of audio files, presumably recorded by Dr Nerve, followed the java applet part. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:54:27 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Warning: No loop content follows, aside from the distant connection to other loop artists playing similar instruments. Total guitar geekiness is all you'll find here: At 7:46 AM -0400 5/29/97, Jon Durant wrote: >Hey Kim, you got a Klein???? > >Way to go. Just got mine as well. My brother Kingsley and I will be playing at Yeah, I didn't want to come on the list, jumping around like a little kid saying "I got a Klein, I got a Klein!" But since you just did, heck I'll join in..... I first played one at summer NAMM 2 years ago. I was just blown away. You pick up the guitar and it just sort of melts into your body, leaving your hands exactly where they should be. It's so comfortable and easy to play, its just amazing. And the tone.....the harmonic content is like nothing I've ever heard. It's just so rich. And the sustain is so good you hardly need a sustainer pickup. I can play chords right up to the 24th fret on mine and it just rings out perfectly. I got mine with the resonator cavity, swamp ash body, Guatemalan Rosewood neck (single piece, no fretboard), transtrem, and two Joseph Barden humbuckers with a Barden single coil in between. I custom designed the electronics for myself, based around this monster 4 pole 5 position switch and three push-pull knobs. (the knobs are vol/vol/tone) I've got 20 combinations between coil splitting, phase, and pickup selection, plus all the variations from tone/volume changes. I picked out the wood myself, (well with Lorenzo's help) which was fun. Klein is in a barn in Sonoma, in the California wine country. Spending a day hanging around on the Klein farm picking out guitar wood and puttering around Sonoma is a day well spent! The neck piece is really something. If you balance it at the 12th fret and tap on it, it rings out like a marimba or something. The guitar is really light, which the right thing to do for harmonics and sustain. And the grain across the top and fretboard is great and very beautiful. Through the triaxis/2:90, this guitar sounds incredible. My girlfriend designed the paint scheme, a transparent purple wash that fades between bluish purple and reddish purple. All the cool grain patterns are visible under it, and it's really quite stunning. This is why it took 10 months to build mine, since Lorenzo had to go through 3 painters before he found a guy that could do it! He nailed it too. The only down side of all this was that all the customizing resulted in me winning the prize for "most expensive klein Lorenzo has ever sold." My wallet still hurts. But I'll be playing this for a long time, so its totally worth it. Sell your car and buy a Klein. Your not gonna want to leave the house after you get it anyway..... kim >Any guitarists out there in loop land owe it to themselves to check out these >guitars. I know they look odd and cost a bunch o' money, but I have to >tell you >that I've never played anything that felt and sounded so good. It's literally >changed my life: where previously I'd pick up the guitar once every few >days to >play because I needed to practice, I now pick it every time I'm waiting for a >large document to print, or when I know I'm going to be on a long phone >call--just to work my fingers. And the sound. Wow. I can't believe I've >replaced >the rootbeeer guitar (my PRS of the last five years, 2 records) but I have >without regret. (Sorry, Bonni...) > >Later, >Jon Durant ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:53:57 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII so, kim... were are them pictures?! i wanna see it, too! great description, btw. i can almost feel it in my hands... **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:42:38 +0100 From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Robert Fripp in the UK (and yes - the US 2!) Message-ID: <0003F7FF.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I expect most Frippofiles will know of these dates, but should you have missed his interview in last month's `The Wire', Robert will be producing Live Soundscapes in the next few days as follows: May 31 The Union Chapel, Islington (UK) (Noon - 6pm) June 2 to 5 Salisbury Cathedral (UK) (2:30pm - 5pm) The timings may prove approximate, as according to the article, he stops at any point he senses the audience has had enough. For US dates, check Elephant Talk's URL: . Cheers David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:04:47 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-Id: <27494.199705300804@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Warning: No loop content follows, aside from the distant connection to >other loop artists playing similar instruments. Total guitar geekiness is >all you'll find here: I'm sure that's cool - after all, (a) it's your list, (b) sometimes LD seems more like Open Minded Guitarists Anonymous. Which is also cool. >I custom designed the >electronics for myself, based around this monster 4 pole 5 position switch >and three push-pull knobs. (the knobs are vol/vol/tone) Anyone know of any 6-pole switches (better still, pots) around?I've been thinking (one day...) of using a passive filter network tuned to 12-fr. frequencies on each polepiece on the brifge pu as a neck pu "simulator". That way I could bet all the sounds I use on one pickup. I could then use the other pickup slots for sustainers etc.... >I've got 20 >combinations between coil splitting, phase, and pickup selection, plus all >the variations from tone/volume changes. How easy is it to move around those variations in a hurry, eg in performance? >The only down side of all this was that all the customizing resulted in me >winning the prize for "most expensive klein Lorenzo has ever sold." Is it the most expnsive ever? Do you know who has that? (I'm betting Michael Hedges) >Sell your car and buy a Klein. Your not gonna want to leave the house after >you get it anyway..... Unfortunately, base price Kleins cost more than my car... Michael PS Congrats to all Klein owners. We, who are _not_ about to buy, salute you. Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb --------------------------------