------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 76 Today's Topics: Re: Sustain [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Re: Sustain [ Dan Howarth ] Re: Klein Electric Guitar [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ] Re: Sustain [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] RE: Ordering JamMan memory [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Ordering JamMan memory [ Sean O'Donnell ] Looping with a VG-8 [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: Dork with a DOD nees help [ John Pollock ] Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other wor [ Kim Flint ] Re: Sustain [ Kim Flint ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:18:12 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: <27749.199705300818@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Olivier said: >, price are going, depending on the options around 400 to 500 >bucks, I think (because I don't have the listing of prices with me. That's crazy. >You have threebuttons and a knob. One is bow button "momentary burst of >string propelling sustain (a la E-bow?). An overtone button, you press it >to emphasize fundamentals, and again to emphasize overtones. A Susuatin >button tp press to get the things working continuously, in conjonction >with a drive knob that settles the level of sustain. It's been asked before - how does an EBow _work_?? I've always assumed it's just a low frequency (eg 10Hz, or something similarly inaudible) magnetic field generator (oscillator & coil) which effectively magnetically "strikes" the string. I'd guess it's too small to sense the string in any way. If so, is there any reason why a similar cct couldn't be used to drive, say the neck pickup? Failing that, how abut taking to output from (say)) the middle pickup, amplifiying it and running it into the neck pickup? That would even allow the setting of a "feedback sensitivity" pot, and basically simulating the effect of standing in front of a good amp. And all for less that $500!!! My electromag is a bit weak in these areas (worrying, since I tutor 2nd-year electromag!) - does any of this sound feasible? I'll probably try dissembling my old Squier Strat's pickups over the weekend to try driving a pickup from the lab. Sig. Ge. I'll let you know how I go. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 02:26:07 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i don't know how it works, but on the Ebow note... i remember an interview with a guitarist (i want to say adam jones from tool) who said that he used a walkman with reverse button engaged at various (but close) distances to the pickups on a distorted and already feeding-back guitar to achieve similar sustain effects. something about the winding mechanism in the tape player and the batteries? i remember trying it, though - without the distortion (at the time) and i think i actually got something out of it. anybody? **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 97 07:59:21 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-ID: <970530115920_74074.1316_GHP45-1@CompuServe.COM> Kim wirtes- >My girlfriend designed the paint scheme, a transparent purple wash that >fades between bluish purple and reddish purple. All the cool grain patterns >are visible under it, and it's really quite stunning. This is why it took >10 months to build mine, since Lorenzo had to go through 3 painters before >he found a guy that could do it! He nailed it too. Lorenzo's been having trouble finding people to do the job *right*. Mine is a chamberd spruce which a former finisher had dropped something onto, and rather than fix the very small ding, he simply laquered over it... But it's a wonderful, natural color. First time my wife's ever seen a guitar and said "that looks nice". My four year old son was there when it came, and he looked at it and said, "daddy, why did David Torn send you his guitar?" Trans-trem, same pickup config as Kim's, but with standard electronics. And I'm running through a Mesa Maverick, and, yeah, it sounds amazing. My two jammen are getting a workout like they've never had before!!! Right, back to loopage now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:33:18 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: <10709.199705301633@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've just managed to track down and try probably the only Fernandez sustainer in Glasgow. Here's my reaction: 1. WOW! 2. Whilst the contols seemed utterly barmy, I think it goes like this. When the sustainer is off, the mid and br. p/ups work via the 3-way blade switch. When the sustainer is on, the mid p/up is disabled and only the br. h/b works. The sustainer on/off is the 2-way toggle; the pots are vol, tone and sustainer sensitivity. There's a 3-way toggle, but I've no idea what it does. Kim, Jon etc, could you confirm this? 3. WOW! 4. When in sustainer mode, the output from the mid p/u is amplified (by an amount governed by the sensitivity) and drivien into the neck p/u. This means you can play a note and, just like with real amps, if it's loud enough it'll cause feedback. 5. WOW! 6. This means you sound like you're standing in front of a _very_loud_ amp. Even though you're laying through headphones. I could replicate the effect that always attracted me to Boogies, without getting thrown out of my apartment. What utterly amazes me is just how _easy_ it is to play probably my all-time fave guitar solo, RF's "Firepower". However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build me one of these.... somehow! Michael (still in shock) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:49:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight , sodonne Subject: RE: Ordering JamMan memory Message-Id: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 pin?" Hi Sean, I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC COLUMN. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:40:59 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory Message-ID: <338F112B.3362@vm.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They're listed as static column on their website. In fact, this is the complete description: 1x4-70ns Static Column Zip (A3000 Fast RAM) $9.95 Not gonna work, huh? Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg > says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 > pin?" > > Hi Sean, > > I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am > quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns > and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC > COLUMN. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that > I can do for you. > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone 617-280-0372 > FAX 617-280-0499 > email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:31:39 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Reversing Jam Mod Message-ID: <338F1D0B.1DE2@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick Smith wrote: > > Bob, > > Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would > allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward > section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but > it may get very cool..... > > Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. > > Patrick > The Boomerang Phrase Sampler does this now. Any part can be recorded forward or reverse; and then the whole musical creation can be played forward or reverse at your whim. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:36:23 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory Message-ID: <338F1E27.18F6@vm.temple.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I spoke with the rep at visionsoft...THEY HAVE PAGE TYPE and THEY'RE 20 pin! Now, I have another question: My JamMan has the standard 8 second memory. How many of the chips do I need to purchase to get the full 32 seconds? The rep at visionsoft said that the chips are equivalent to one-half megabyte each...is that standard for J-Man memory? Thanks! Sean Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg > says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 > pin?" > > Hi Sean, > > I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am > quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns > and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC > COLUMN. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that > I can do for you. > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone 617-280-0372 > FAX 617-280-0499 > email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:17:03 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199705301517_MC2-1762-6C61@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Sustain Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 97 15:21:45 EDT From: To: Cc: , , Subject: Sublime experience looping --warning: no guitar content! Message-ID: <970530192145_702420.204300_BHD41-53@CompuServe.COM> Nutrition Facts: Looping fun and technique content: 60% Looping gear-specific content: 30% Guitar content: 0% Boring, pretentious filler: 10% Latest Echoplex victim: my buddy Dan's Fender Rhodes Model Seventy-Three stage piano. When I picked it up to loan...Dan is a ReallyNiceGuy(tm)... I didn't realize that these old things were totally passive electronics. Duh. I was looking for the power cord for, like, 3 whole minutes before I took the top off and examined the innards. No power supply. "Must work like one of them eee-lectric guitars all these kids are playing nowadays..." It sounds wicked with some effects (mild overdrive, chorusing) but somehow even better (for looping, at least) just dry: Rhodes --> Echoplex DP --> SWR Baby Blue II (smallish studio bass combo amp) Looping several different short 8-10 second chord changes; think "Kind of Blue" riff or something... then use NextLoop w/SwitchQuant=On to walk through them. Then, play various inversions and diminished variations of same over the loops...solo notes wash over the transitions between loops. Overdub when the urge strikes! As with other things I loop ('cello, analog synth), I'm getting about an 85% success rate with noiseless startpoints. What seems to help is selecting a dominant note that is slowly decaying over each startpoint, trying not to attack that note too near the startpoint. Each small loop is overdubbed once to wash over the startpoint with that same note (end Record with Overdub, or end Record with Insert in Rehearse mode until I get it near how I want it...) Get the startpoints of all the small loops within a range of similarity and it is surprisingly easy to step through the loops without any abrupt changeovers. Loving that Echoplex...what a box! The overtones and room resonance are mind-blowing. Absolutely gorgeous! The "tines" (is this what they're called?--the little tuning-fork metal bar guys that vibrate on the Rhodes' sounding board) set up washes of eardrum-buzzing, underwater-landscape-on-quaaludes-with-Milt-Jackson-on-vibes that put everyone (even the dog) into trance mode. The interaction between the instrument's sounding board (sustain pads raised) and the amplified looped versions is phenomenal. A great instrument for looping! --Russell Gorton, loop user ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:46:50 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle Message-ID: <338F4ACA.216@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the latest from me & visionsoft. I called their 800 number and they have the Micron chips, exact model # as in the JM booklet, for $9.95 each. Needless to say, I ordered a set. I will let y'all know when they get here, assuming I can pull myself away from my pedalboard... As for you Klein owners, two questions: does the Klein require you to buy double ball end strings? I have a Hohner headless bass, and it's a pain in the ass to find strings for it. Number two, do y'all know if it's possible to get a TransTrem to install in a normal guitar, say, a mutant Strat-like unit? The stock cheezoid trem on mine is in it's final days (the armhole is stripped out for the nth time...) and the TransTrem sounds like it'd be really fun. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:41 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199705301715_MC2-174B-B82A@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 21:15:10 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 01:56:18 -0500 From: John Pollock To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-id: <338FCB92.7301@delphi.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jon Durant wrote, in part: >My four year old son was there when it came, and he looked at it > and said, "daddy, why did David Torn send you his guitar?" Y'all are raisin' that boy right! :-) My son (two years old yesterday) correctly identified Les Paul in the Miller Lite commercial a few days ago. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dork with a DOD?hope for the future Message-Id: <199705311837.OAA15843@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 AM 5/29/97 -0600, you wrote: > > Greetings form Boris. I'm 15 and have been playin geetar for about 3 > years now. > > I'm very new to looping, but I really love doing it. And I need some > tips, tricks ect. no Boris you're no dork. THe other 15 year olds who are content to leave it at no doubt, weezer, and bush are dorks. nothing particularly against those bands per se - but i, at 32 am continually depressed by the lack of diversity in the chart oriented music fans of today. And you prove what i always argue to my idiot friends (my age) - I complain about all the "new crap" and they argue that it's cos we're old & don't understand it - I usually respond with - Fuck that - when i was 13, 15,17, 19 i listened to not only a huge variety of contempo music, but also tons of stuff that was created before i was born and while i was a child !!! So - you're very cool indde and we need more young 'uns like yerself !!! Keep listening to all those vanguard players. AGE IS NOTHING - MUSIC IS TIMELESS !!! in terms of the crappy-equipment problem - don't worry about it. I've been playing 15 years and i love my old early 80s echo stuff and my 10 year old ensoniq mirage more than most of the other stuff i try out & usually can't afford... just go to EVERY used music store, garage sales, etc - you can bulid a cool arsenal like that. Experiment with taping yourself - on a boom box, home cassette rec, 4 track you borrow, whatever.> Sounds like you listen to and respect a wide spectrum of players, technology-wise. Tom morello loves those simple good ol boxes and he RULES on 'em - then you got Fripp with his huge rig of computer driven midi guitar stuff and echoplexes. I also love it all !! so - good luck and remember - Les Paul is about to play his 82nd birthday party !!! and he's still trying out new shit !! Go for it - NEVER change your attitude and experimental outlook. ANY equip/ performance questions - i'll gladly help, as i'm sure all on this list will! thanks for the re-charge !!! peace, andre' (ps - central jersey people- i'll be looping with band>> "hidden agenda" tonite sat may 31 at the court tavern/ 124 church st/ new brunswick nj/ 908-545-7265 11:30 pm > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping with a VG-8 Message-ID: <970531161229_-1330249790@emout15.mail.aol.com> Jusy sent up (to the V web site) a new set of patches for the VG-8, in which I discovered some cool looping feature; attached is from notes to same, for anyone her who has V and doesn't read the Digital Guitar Digest. Forgive the elementary info, all you grizzled looping vets...I'm off to see if I can do the same kinda things with my DP/4 dpc <...my discovery of the V as a looping device, which I had until now overlooked, since the max delay time is only about 1 second...my mistake! You can use the pedal to send to the delay or not, creating short loops in the background, ideal for playing over tiny riffs and arpeggios, and exploring chord/scale relations, etc--what I call "straight looping." Even more fun is what I've called "rhythmic looping" in the above patches: Setting the delay level to 100, and the feedback in the 90's with the "cross-feedback" delay set to create a little rhythm thing going on between the two delay times, while using the pedal to create timbral changes. Playing into this sparsely and staccato or muted with an unusual timbre can create amazing beat loops, which can be easily mutated as they fade away, a la Steve Reich; open up the FX:Delay page and control the feedback amount with the S1 and 2 switches as you play, and use the vol knob to add additional pulses (set it to Master Vol instead of Pickup level on the Common: GK Vol page for any VGM models you want to use this way). Use a foot switch to tap in new delay times, which will change the rhythms, since the right or left "shift" delay time isn't affected by the tap. (With the "shift" set to R301 as given, try setting the "time" to 950, 868, 0r 732 to create interesting syncopations; setting time to 1023, the max, cuts off the shift delay.) Switching to Stereo delay will usually give rhythms that continue to change, while the cross-feedback delays are more stable. I've usually set up a foot switch to kill the delay (Mod also kills the delays, unfortunately), but for me it's faster just to switch in and out of the patch. These heavily-delayed patches definitely have to played carefully not to turn to mush. Enjoy, dpc.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:35:01 -0500 From: John Pollock To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork with a DOD nees help Message-id: <33908B75.4FEA@delphi.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit mmason wrote, in part: > My equiptment is really crappy. I use a DOD 4 second delay/sampler for > my looping duties. I really enjoy doing Frippertronics type things > with my Ebow and volume controll. I also use some crappy chorus pedal, > a Boss Heavy Metal pedal, and a Crybaby 535 wah pedal. My guitar is a > Peavey Preadator the I modified with new pickups, tuners, ect. And I > painted all over it. Boris, "When you're out of red, use blue." So, allegedly, said Pablo Picasso. I've found it's much healthier for me to make the music I can, with the gear I have, than to waste time _not_ making music because I don't have a particular tool. You have twice the max delay time I have-- my only looper is a Vortex. You're actually in a very solid position with respect to equipment, because you have most of the bases covered-- you don't _need_ anything desperately. This means you can wait till you find bargains (like last winter's closeout Lexicon gear), rather than spending a lot of money to expand your rig. And I somehow doubt that Jon and Kim feel the freedom to modify their new Klein guitars that you enjoy with the Predator. ;-) > Any interesting artists/bands I should hear? Be sure to take advantage of the music offered on the Web by the folks right here on this list! See the World-Wide Index of Loop Artists (http://www.annihilist.com/loop/profiles/Profiles.html) at the Looper's Delight. I'm gradually working through them myself. I've really enjoyed and learned from Stephen Goodman's (http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios/) and Matt McCabe's (http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html) music. >Any looping tips? Do it! Trust your own ear and judgment-- if your music doesn't satisfy _you_, how can it satisfy anyone else? Listen to any music you hear-- good or bad, looped or not, whether you like it or not. If you don't like something, ask yourself why, so you can keep it from happening in your own music. Ask questions. "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." > Boy I really sound like a dork. Not to me. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 97 16:14:35 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: The dork is inspired now! Message-Id: <9705318651.AA865113391@ns.faulkcomp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "WOW!" was the only word. [enter Boris or Jay] Boris or Jay: I really want to thank all you loopin' poeple out there that responded to my letter. I got tons 'o nice replies from lotsa cool people. All you dudes are totally awesome! Email me anytime. It brightens up me day when I actually get mail from cool people. Gotta go now- I'm inspired to start loopin with a new attitude and purpose! [exit] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:08:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" More guitar geekiness, sorry: Jeff Schwartz said: >As for you Klein owners, two questions: does the Klein require you to buy >double ball >end strings? I have a Hohner headless bass, and it's a pain in the ass to >find strings for >it. Yes, it uses double ball strings. That's part of the deal with the steinberger tremolo/no headstock design. I haven't had to buy strings yet, but I just figured I could mailorder them. I guess I could just get them from Klein, but I think there are several companies that still sell them. It's not like they're hard to make or anything. >Number two, do y'all know if it's possible to get a TransTrem to install >in a normal >guitar, say, a mutant Strat-like unit? The stock cheezoid trem on mine is >in it's final >days (the armhole is stripped out for the nth time...) and the TransTrem >sounds like it'd >be really fun. TransTrems are quite different from kahler or floyd type tremolos. (which are fairly different from each other) If the guitar wasn't designed for the transtrem, you will need to seriously butcher it to get one on there. It needs to be on the edge of the body, so on your strat, you would need to chop out all the wood between the bridge and the edge of the body where the strap pin is. I guess you would then have a mutant flying V..... I think I recall a picture of a guitar Eddie Van Halen did this to. It wasn't pretty. You are probably better off getting a good quality replacement trem that is similar to the one you've got. Steinberger also has the s-trem, which is more traditional and which Lorenzo claims gives better tone/sustain and the JamTrem, which I don't know about. The transtrem is incredibly cool, though. Ned Steinberger (who like Tom Oberheim and Michael Tobias, hasn't got anything to do with his namesake company anymore) has brought a lot of great ideas to guitar design, and this is one of his best. Being able to whammy whole chords with all the voices staying in tune is a remarkable advance over the traditional designs. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:36:26 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:26 AM -0700 5/30/97, Dan Howarth wrote: >i don't know how it works, but on the Ebow note... i remember an interview >with a guitarist (i want to say adam jones from tool) who said that he >used a walkman with reverse button engaged at various (but close) >distances to the pickups on a distorted and already feeding-back guitar to >achieve similar sustain effects. something about the winding mechanism in >the tape player and the batteries? >i remember trying it, though - without the distortion (at the time) and i >think i actually got something out of it. anybody? It's the motor interacting with the pickup that you hear. I think adjustable vibrators are better for this, since a) you can control the pitch with a little knob, b) people are much more likely to notice you on stage, depending on the model you use, c) also useful for the Spinal Tap cucumber trick, d) Dave Navarro and Reeves Gabrels do it that way so it must be cool, and e) numerous other handy uses around the home. You can also use the audio output of something like a mini tape player to drive the pickups. Last time I saw Buckethead, he was using a little Star Wars toy to do this. He'd push the little buttons and Chewbacca would yell through his amp. great source material for loops, I think.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com --------------------------------