------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 78 Today's Topics: Dork has more to say [ "mmason" ] Re: Sustain [ Jim Coker ] RE: Ordering JamMan memory [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Newlooper [ crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curti ] Echoplex and The Outdoors [ David Kirkdorffer ] Re: Dork has more to say [ John Pollock ] Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ Kim Flint ] re: "Electronic music Friday 7th" [ Forlano1@aol.com ] Sample rate conversion [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: wake up! [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] strings and springs [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: RealTime (was: Bill Frisell loop [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: go forth and multiply [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Looping in London [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 22:22:48 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Dork has more to say Message-Id: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings say I, named Boris or Jay I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her down? Thanks fer the help mmason@faulkcomp.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:35:25 -0700 From: Jim Coker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-ID: <33934AAD.2E0D@interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm. a very complex set of problems, as I had also thought of getting a couple extra pickups and trying the DIY approach. Actually I think an interesting approach would be to buy 6 ebows, pull out the electronics, and mount them in a guitar body, but that probably also be difficult, particularly in terms of mounting the hardware. It would allow one neat thing, independent sustainability on each string... jim Matthias Grob wrote: > > >>However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build > >>me one of these.... somehow! > > > >I've never gotten around to checking out the circuit in mine, but I suspect > >it is pretty simple. They just take the signal from the bridge pickup, > >filter it, and use it to drive the neck pickup in reverse. Just as strings > >moving in the pickup's magnetic field produces an ac voltage at the output > >of the coil, applying a signal voltage to the coil output will cause the > >motion of the magnetic field to move the string. NotRocketScience (tm). You > >need to make sure you get the pickup placement right so that you drive the > >string in phase. > > Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience > to solve: > > 1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. > > 2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low > impedance pickup (DIY?). In any case, its hard to keep the strong driving > signal separate from the outgoing sound signal. If you bring the supply to > the guitar, keep the ground separate. If you bring the driver signal to the > guitar from a external amp, shield it separately. > > 3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you > need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build > it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. > > But... go ahead and find out! > > Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:32:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight , sodonne Subject: RE: Ordering JamMan memory Message-Id: <9706021807.AA02872@beryllium.lexicon.com> Sean asked:"My JamMan has the standard 8 second memory. How many of the chips do I need to purchase to get the full 32 seconds?" and The rep at visionsoft said that the chips are equivalent to one-half megabyte each...is that standard for J-Man memory? You will need to replace the 4 chips in the JAMMAN with 4 new chips. When the rep says one-half megabyte he means at eight bits. The JAMMAN uses a 16 bit word so each chip is equivalent to 1/4 megabyte. All four chips together will equal 1 byte. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email:ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:48:45 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newlooper Message-Id: <199706021848.OAA15741@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> If you're playing through a bass amp the signal is already pretty "low-passed." Besides, if you use a bridge pick-up, (underwood, wilson, barbera etc. ) most high frequencies in amplified bowed bass sounds are artifacts of the pick-up (and are pretty obnoxious). This is less true with small mic. pick-ups that would get some of the resonation of the "box." I have an EQ setting that rolls off the highs when I bow anyway. Don't get me wrong, the echoplex works GREAT for everything but the bow. If the input gate setting becomes an option in an update Im sure this would be fine too. I agree that the 'rang is not the choice for high-quality studio recording or if you are using a really full-range amplification system. Then maybe get the 'plex and try to compress the signal a bit before the input. Or, get them all and use the one that works best at the moment for what you want... good luck, Curtis crb@music.princeton.edu >You may want to consider that bowed strings have a very wide frequency >bandwidth. (I've measured them going well beyond human hearing range, >actually) The Boomerang's bandwidth is quite a bit lower than most other >delay units, but you should give it a try to see whether that's a problem >for you or not. >At 11:27 AM -0400 6/2/97, Curtis Bahn wrote: >>I also play string-bass and use various looping toys. I love the features >>of my Echoplex BUT there is a input gate which is a problem with bowed tones. >>It doesn't pick up the softer sounds, and then clicks on in the middle of a >>stroke. Maybe this will be fixed with a software update I don't know. >>upcoming software updates will address this problem. >>Maybe >>try out a Boomerang, I find it the most useful (compared my Jam Man, and >> >>Echoplex) in simple "jazz trio" settings, it plugs into your amp and acts >>like a stomp box. It handles the bow just fine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:15:24 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Echoplex and The Outdoors Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks. Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high 50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:24:29 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Message-Id: <443.199706030824@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob, I've lost your address so this is going to the list.... One thing I'm not sure about - I understand there'll be page panning - but will there be actual stereo looping? I've given this whole PC-thing some thought, and if it's possible to select pages from MIDI, and the beast has stereo looping a more memory (there's tons more 4Mx4bit ZIPs about than 1Mx4bit...) that's all the extra functionality I need.... though of course I'm grateful for anything this update does! Jeez, I'm just about to order new ZIPs (for $5 each at closeout!!) and the prospect of 32 secs is daunting enough!! You said before that there was a whole load of processing power unused ... how about building a Vortex into it? (joke) You also said the Vortex design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential peice of kit. Can they be persuaded...? In hope, Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:36:36 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: <941.199706030836@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Matthias: >Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience >to solve: > >1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. I'd thought of using the middle pickup purely as a sensor for the sustainer (which prob'ly won't work - see below.), which is nearer the driver (neck p'u) and less likely to have phase problems. However, the root marmonic should always be in phase over all pickups (by definition) - it's the extent to which the signal is dominated by the upper harmonics what's the problem, which is why I thought it would be better to use the mid p'u. the bridge p'u is all harmonics, which is probably not ideal. >2 To drive, you need power. Yes, since the magnetic field is related to the current flowing in the coil (Lenz' law? Jeez, I should know this - I tutor it!). So a high-current signal needs low-impedance pickups, which is why the Fernandez needs two PP3s. >3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you >need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build >it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. This is probably why the middle pickup is disengaged on the Fernandez when the Sustainer is engaged. >But... go ahead and find out! Learn the hard way, eh? Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:02:09 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 2 Lexicon Vortexes FS Message-ID: <339423DE.20C5@bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have 2 Vortexes for sale. A few months old, perfect, never left home! $199 each. In NYC, (212) 989-5260 or dmgraph@bway.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:21:05 -0500 From: John Pollock To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: mmason@faulkcomp.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Message-id: <3393E201.4815@delphi.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit mmason wrote, in part: > I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. That's one of my Holy Grails! :-0 > She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. > > Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her > down? Sure. Pull the power plug. ;-) Two serious suggestions: 1. Verify that the noise is generated in the amp, and not something upstream in the signal chain. If the noise is gone with nothing plugged into the input, the amp most likely isn't the problem. 2. If it is the amp, check out alt.guitar.amps on Usenet. There are many gurus, mavens and wizards there whose greatest joy is answering this kind of question. Good luck! -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jun 97 11:20:53 EDT From: To: Subject: Transduced bowed vibratories and the EP noise gater-thingy Message-ID: <970603152053_702420.204300_BHD41-34@CompuServe.COM> Just had to add my US$0.02 (I loop 'cello with EP): >Besides, if you use a bridge pick-up, (underwood, wilson, >barbera etc. ) most high frequencies in amplified bowed bass sounds are >artifacts of the pick-up (and are pretty obnoxious). This is less true with >small mic. pick-ups that would get some of the resonation of the "box." I >have an EQ setting that rolls off the highs when I bow anyway. True: most high freq.s from a bridge transducer are squawky and difficult to manage. My latest trick is DAMPING as much resonance as possible, with foam cores stuffed into the f-holes. Great big hollow instrument bodies (think many many times larger than BB King's) do not enjoy sitting in the same space as their amplified looped selves. Recommended for any looping "traditional" string player (or any electrified app.)...block body resonance. Sounds terrible unplugged, but all you want that transducer to feel is the string vibe, not the body buzz. >Don't get me wrong, the echoplex works GREAT for everything but the bow. >If the input gate setting becomes an option in an update Im sure this would >be fine too. >I agree that the 'rang is not the choice for high-quality studio recording >or if you are using a really full-range amplification system. Then maybe get >the 'plex and try to compress the signal a bit before the input. Two other good points. I have not had much problem bowing through the EP. Sometimes the gate gets out of hand unexpectedly, "oranges me", and I sit there (pissed) listening to the digiclip static in the middle of a killer loop. But, life happens. 1) If you're using a transducer, by all means, try a battery-powered preamp. Makes your tinny and thin piezo-level signal into a fuller-bodied richer line-level signal. Like making it into an "active" guitar. 2) First (and sometimes last effect) should always be analog compression. This eliminates 95% of unpredictable EP NoiseGateGuy(tm) behavior. I found an inexpensive solution to this problem in a used dbx 163X 1/2-rackspace over easy compresser/limiter. One level set, a slider for controlling it, and you're go. >>You may want to consider that bowed strings have a very wide frequency >>bandwidth. (I've measured them going well beyond human hearing range, >>actually) The Boomerang's bandwidth is quite a bit lower than most other >>delay units, but you should give it a try to see whether that's a problem >>for you or not. This is what sealed the deal on the EP...S/N ratio and dynamic range of its digital audio is far superior to JamMan or 'Rang. Not critical for most guitar/amp combos (I see the 'Rang as more or less a stomp box for guitar/bass applications) but certainly preferred for looping voices, pianos, "found" sounds, keyboards, etc. EP is _crisp_. --Russell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:41:30 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Low-impedance pickups (was: Sustain) Message-Id: <12031.199706031541@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low >impedance pickup (DIY?). I've just been trying to read up about low-impedance pickups, but information is scarce. I'm presuming fewer turns of thicker wire are used - hi-Z pickups use about 6000 turns of 40SWG wire. Anybody got any ideas? (I'm assuming they've been off the market since Gibson dropped 'em in the 70s) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 10:58:09 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: <199706031559.IAA24690@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'd thought of using the middle pickup purely as a sensor for the sustainer >(which prob'ly won't work - see below.), which is nearer the driver (neck >p'u) and less likely to have phase problems. However, the root marmonic >should always be in phase over all pickups (by definition) - it's the >extent to which the signal is dominated by the upper harmonics what's the >problem, which is why I thought it would be better to use the mid p'u. the >bridge p'u is all harmonics, which is probably not ideal. The new Sustainiac does use the middle pickup, not the neck, as in the old design. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:01:01 -0700 From: dan mcmullen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ob echoplex dp - where to buy? us$$$? Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970603090101.00570320@mail.well.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hello. i'm new to the list & am just beginning to explore looping, though i've followed its use in recordings for quite a while. can anyone recommend good places to purchase the echoplex + foot controller in the US? what are street prices that folks have paid recently? do current units include the new firmware, or how long til that's available? i will summarize responses to the list if there's interest. thanks, dan ___ dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp public key id = 0A25C54D (finger dog@well.com for current key) fingerprint = E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48 3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:09:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hello folks. >Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. > i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... > >Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? > >David Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they ship. Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to fix it for the rest of my life...:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Forlano1@aol.com To: stickwire-1@netcom.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, PhiBa-improv@wnur.nwu.edu Subject: re: "Electronic music Friday 7th" Message-ID: <970603131902_-1028066705@emout04.mail.aol.com> PHILADELPHIA AMBIENT GADGET CLUSTERS 3 Friday 7th, 8:30 pm 3rd street Gallery, Philadelphia (located on 2nd street near Market st.) * An evening of improvised electronic sounds and rhythms. * Music by Charles Cohen (Buchla Music Easel) for more info: David Forlano (Samplers and electronics) e-mail: forlano1@aol.com Sean O'Donnell (Sampler and electronics) phone: 215-739-0609 John Deterich (electronics and guitar) *With an interactive video installation by Jeff Warring, David Forlano and John Van Zant* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:28 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sample rate conversion Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Somebody was asking about sample rate conversion? Did you find a solution? Hope this helps. I did not try yet. >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 -0800 >From: Jon Christopher Nelson >To: Multiple recipients of list >X-Comment: The SoundHack mailing list > >GrainMaker 2.0, a soundfile granulation Csound score generator >programmed in MAX, is now available at the following ftp sites: > >ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/incoming/max-patches/ >ftp://serial.music.uiowa.edu/pub/upload/ > >GrainMaker 2.0 includes the following new features: >1) can transpose soundfiles (including random transposition per > grain) >2) writes score files directly to the hard drive (no more crashing > with the text objects) >3) is a stand-alone app (FAT--runs on 68k or PPC) > a) GrainMaker 2.0 with picts shows grain envelopes as they are > selected > b) GrainMaker 2.0 (no picts) requires less memory > >Enjoy! >Jon > >Jon Christopher Nelson, Director >CEMI (Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia) >University of North Texas College of Music >P.O. Box 13887 >Denton, TX 76203 >USA > >ph. (817) 565-4926 >fax (817) 565-2002 >jnelson@sndart.cemi.unt.edu >http://www.music.unt.edu/comp/jnelson.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:42 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Matthias Grob wrote: >> Yes, it does not need to be MIDI. BrotherSync is better for looping, and if >> we can expand it to "NephewSync" for a Sob-Plex joint... Motley answered > There's a thought: be compatible with the Plex sync. I guess if two of >us were doing it, it would constitute a standard. ...and we write all this under the subject "wake up!" The idea of the brother sync is that all machines slow down to meet the speed of the slowest. Problem is that it depends on sample clock and we will have a hard time to constitute 41k as a standard :-( Its what comes out if you divide the 16M clock to meet MIDI standard and some clock around 40k - at least its handy. Lets keep it in mind... Matthias By the way: how do you want us to call you? Mr. Nelson? Mike? Mikell? Motley? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:48 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: strings and springs Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >One of the sometimes collaborateurs, Ellen Fullman, designs and builds these >super-length string installation instruments, played by walking the >80-foot plus >strings with rosened fingers...as incredible to see as to hear, beautifully >sustained, loopish sonorities played in stately rituals. In switzerland I was living with two crazy percussionist making such instruments. Is it the trick of the combination of a spring with a string you are talking about, too? The amazing thing was, that the two guys started to build the instruments independently, one calles them "wolf" and the other "whale", one started with springs and finally added a string to activate it, while the other started with strings and ended up using a spring to alter the sound, and when they happened to live in the same comunity by accident they felt like competitors! When we all had to move out, they moved to the same place, so I hope this laboratory goes on... The interaction and travel of waves between a string and a spring is probably a very complex physical problem, the sounds that come out are impossible to discribe. For amplification they used drum skins and strange objects. Sometimes the strings went diagonally through the house and when they had a gig, they went out early with stairs to install the things... Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:14 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RealTime (was: Bill Frisell looping device) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I do this all the time with my Digitech RDS-8000 and RDS 1900. I hate these >new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the >manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! I am fully with you. I discovered a way to call over 30 functions directly with just 7 keys. Unfortunatly, the digital machines do not allow simple sample rate change with a knob to allow the pitch/speed change. But please consider that taping of the first recording is much more "realtime" that any knob could be! Also, my intention was not to "pervert guitar loops" but to allow instant creating of complex and rhythmically usefull long background patterns out of clean original sounds from any instrument. Thats why I never liked the name ECHOPLEX for this unit, its really different from the old idea. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:03 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >It is kind of funny- most cellists don't seem to have a very eclectic >aestetic. Tough to get them into the rock/punk/folk/loop thing. In >fact, it seems to be pretty hard to get anyone in to it... :) I just came back from Rio where I recuperated a CD called "Amber" by David Darling and Michael Johnes, made in 1987 (Narada ND-61014). I loved it then and love it again. And it shows a very subtle and "accoustic" way loops can be used on a cello. I remember Electric Light Orchestra with two Cellist running around stage. I thought it was ridiculous. Cello is too fine for many music styles. It seams to change the head of its player, too. It does not only make his hair fall out ;-) but tunes the ear, probably due to the close neck and the rich overtone spectrum that opens to higher things - nothing aproved, just an observation of mine. I got a nice letter from Eberhard Weber theses days (he found a used Plex), answered it carfully and was rewarded with his CD "Pendulum" (ECM 1518, '93). He plays his upright bass only and creates lots of loops with bass, percussive sounds, high pitch melodies, with or without arc - a whole orchestra out of one instrument, and *very* pleasant music, somewhere between Jazz, Classic and New Age! Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:58 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kem McNair asked, probably never getting a reply: >In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops >that >have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out. Can you explain how to >remove multi 3 of a loop multiplied 3 times and then how to add a different >multi 3 back to that same loop, Multi by 2 and insert 1 Or use Replace during the third cycle. ... if I understood the question correctly. >and does "next loop" command work to change >to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. You mean the NextMulti command ? I did not understand. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:53 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >>>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch >>>time) > >Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? There are at least another two: Antonio Forcione and his friend bought LOOP delays in '93 The phone then was 081 995 7613 --------------------------------