------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 79 Today's Topics: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Sustain [ cwb@platinum.com (Clark) ] RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 79 Today's Topics: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Sustain [ cwb@platinum.com (Clark) ] RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ David Kirkdorffer < ] Re: Ravel as a looper [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Sustainers and pickups [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Sustainers and pickups [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors [ Kim Flint < ] Re: Klein Electric Guitar [ Kim Flint < ] Re: ob echoplex dp - where to buy? u [ Kim Flint < ] Re: Zoom 508 delay [ John Pollock < ] Re: Sustain [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:56 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim Don't complain! You were guided enough to invent an error that can be simply fixed by cliping off a pin! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:53:26 -0400 From: cwb@platinum.com (Clark) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: <<199706031953.PAA06438@octopus.ab.platinum.com> I dissected an ebow once and i have the schematic for it. The only thing missing is the op-amp type (it may even be a dual op amp!) and the coil specs. The lead wires to the coils broke easily when pried from the embedding epoxy rendering them untestable. However, they were constructed in such a manner that would shape the magnetic field. Buying multiple ebows for mounting in a guitar would not work since the epoxied circuitboard is about 2"x1". Theres no way to mount them all next to each other. I am VERY interested in making multiple drivers for a new ergonomic touchstyle instrument i have designed and prototyped. Anyone with electronics skills who is serious about making this a reality please contact me. Clark Battle BattleAxe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:51:24 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer < To: 'Kim Flint' <, "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" < Subject: RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors Message-ID: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No -- I've not doen the mod to clip the little pin. I don't have the tools at home and I've just gotten by w/out the UNDO feature after the first 30 minutes when things get warm. However, it couldn't have been more than 55 degrees out with a strong breeze going. _Plenty_ of ventalation..... I was quite surprized it did what it did from pressing the OVERDUB button , as I've NEVER experienced that in the almost year I've been a happy little looper. I thought it may have been something else to do with the dampness of the evening... David >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:10 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors > >>Hello folks. >>Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >>50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. >> i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >>OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >>probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >>The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... >> >>Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? >> >>David > >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:17 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BA@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:15 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:18 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BB@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:16 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:18 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BC@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:15 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:19 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BE@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:13 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B0@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Looping in London Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:43:43 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 18:01:03 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" < To: "Looper's Delight" < Subject: Zoom 508 delay Message-Id: <<199706032301.QAA22130@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom 508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the sound. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:19 -0400 From: < To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <<199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BD@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jun 97 17:46:26 EDT From: < To: < Subject: Re[2]: Dork has more to say Message-ID: <<970603214626_702420.204300_BHD41-61@CompuServe.COM> >mmason wrote, in part: >> I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. John Pollock suggested: >That's one of my Holy Grails! :-0 Exactly! Who wouldn't want to sound like Bernard Paganotti, circa "De Futura"? >> She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. >> >> Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her >> down? >Sure. Pull the power plug. ;-) No way. Make it NOISIER. Try a distortion pedal. Here's a tip: listen to King Crimson's "Red" or Magma's "Udu Wudu" or anything by current Swedish band Anekdoten. You'll want yer bass to sound fuzzier and blattier than ever! I have two SWR amps with Bag End extension cabs, and a bandmate has an Ampeg B2 head/Isovent cab stack. With all that killer bass (or guitar) gear, what do I reach for when I'm ready to lay down the signature bass lines? The Star*Ter 10W paper-cone 8" amp (solid state with so much overdrive you can't even hear the fundamental) or my Roland Spirit 10 (with maybe a Big Muff Pi pedal). There's no shame in gear that others would deem "crappy." If it's really noisy and you need to play quiet/dynamic passages or use it for a "straight" performance, yeah, you can try to get the hum out. But if it's a "good" hum, leave it, I say! --Russell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:15:36 -0700 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You wrote: >For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom >508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. >Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, >programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching >patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I >bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out >my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the >sound. Yeah, this thing sounds pretty good (fairly clean, digital), but like just about every Zoom product we've ever seen, it's an ergonomic nightmare, plus they clip you more money for an additional foot pedal. The tuner is pretty ridiculous too. Best, The LoOpDoCtOrs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 00:01 CDT From: "kim corbet" < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >One of the sometimes collaborateurs, Ellen Fullman, designs and builds these > >super-length string installation instruments > Is it the trick of the combination of a spring with a string > you are talking about, too? .....................I believe Ellen's instruments are a simple combination of strings and soundboard installation, an 80-foot deconstructed piano played with rosened fingers. She may have had contact mics on the soundboard to balance with other electronic sources. No springs I know of...I believe you can reach her through the Deep Listening website, if you're still curious. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:33 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hayden Porter wrote a fundamental thing very well: >It seems to me that all good composition is >the proper balance of repetition and variety. Repetition is necessary for >consistency and variety is necessary to intrest the audience. The amount of >repetition or variety is a matter of personal taste. ... and the purpose (aplication field) of the music - I might add. (here was a lot more very interestin "Rambling" as he called it...) >-What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional >technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to >produce the loops? Short loops to create expectations / tension (film music!) Longer loops to create ostinatos or ondulating background carpets. Long loops to lay back and doodle away in peace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:28 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string >>individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation >>distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This >>basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme >>muddiness you usually get. >> >I'd always been fascinated by this idea, but I thought you needed a >sepearate speaker for each string. Can you just distort each string >seperately and then combine it back into one speaker? Oh, yes, I do it every day :-) Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:23 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" james said >> The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a >> hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. > >neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind >of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... > >has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs >to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to >a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust >off the ol' soldering iron! Unfortunately the sound of the magnetic PU so close to the bridge is no good, and the separation of the strings is not very good either. But with piezo PU, its interesting. You might not want to ocupy a whole mixer though, and the most interesting is distorting and octaving of each string. PARADIS offered those features during 10 years. Now its closed and Rolf is happy to finally earn some money as a van driver... Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:19 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Also still an interesting device: the good old screwdriver. I've been using >my screwdriver for many years now. How about a Bleistift (graphite pen?) with a rubber piece at the end? It alows very quick and soft percussion sounds, somewhat reminding of the "Zither" or "Hackbrett", those stringed boards, played with two hammers. I know its a trivial thing, but I have never seen anyone doing it and liked it when I discovered it - on the accoustic guitar, actually. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:54:22 -0700 From: Kim Flint < To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" < Subject: RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It's probably the same problem. Its the temperature inside that ic that really matters, the outside temperature may not be enough to cool it down. Clipping that pin fixes it. And remember, the ventilation you experience standing next to the rack may not be the same ventilation experienced inside the devices. A well placed fan is never a bad idea with music gear in the great outdoors. Sunshine on black metal can transfer a lot of heat inside those guys. A lot of parts might not fail immediately, but just die a slow steady death in the heat. kim At 4:51 PM -0400 6/3/97, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >No -- I've not doen the mod to clip the little pin. I don't have the >tools at home and I've just gotten by w/out the UNDO feature after the >first 30 minutes when things get warm. > >However, it couldn't have been more than 55 degrees out with a strong >breeze going. _Plenty_ of ventalation..... I was quite surprized it >did what it did from pressing the OVERDUB button , as I've NEVER >experienced that in the almost year I've been a happy little looper. > >I thought it may have been something else to do with the dampness of the >evening... > >David > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:10 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors >> >>>Hello folks. >>>Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >>>50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. >>> i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >>>OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >>>probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >>>The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... >>> >>>Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? >>> >>>David >> >>Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >>clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >>go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >>how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >>ship. >> >>Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >>fix it for the rest of my life...:-) >> >>kim >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:09:59 -0700 From: Kim Flint < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 12:42 PM -0700 6/3/97, Sean Echevarria wrote: >At 10:39 AM 6/2/97 -0700, Kim wrote: >>Strummed acoustically it is >>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. >> > >Are there any other benefits to the chamber? Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's what they do in the Kleins. I know I liked the chambered Kleins better than the non-chambered ones, although those are very nice too. The chamber adds $$, of course..... >>In fact, all my high-gain distortion sounds had to be "fixed" for the >>Klein. They had all been biased on the bright side to make my other guitars >>sound good. All the upper harmonics from the Klein made them sound muddy, >>sort of like the way an archtop like an ES175 or something sounds through a >>distortion pedal. Once I rolled off some of the treble, they sounded great >>too. > >Was this a result of the chamber? Did you try a non-chambered version >through your setup? Actually, I didn't try any of them through my setup before I bought it. They had a rivera at the trade shows, and they sounded great through that. I just decided it would also sound good in my amp, and so far I think I was right. >If a person were to head up to Sonoma and play a Klein, how strong is the >'danger' that they'd drop a few grand for one? What kind of amps does he >have up there? Do/Can you take your own? heh, heh.... I think I played a Klein twice before I lost control of my checkbook.... Lorenzo is very accomodating and treats customers very well. When I've gone up there, I usually spend part of the day hanging around the ranch talking guitars, and the other part in sonoma eating cheese and having some wine. It's pretty low key, and you can certainly bring along your own amp. I think he had a Pierce and a Hi-mu, neither of which showed the guitars off all that well, imho. Ask Lorenzo if you can help him feed the llama. The Klein number is Monaco707-938-4189. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:14:40 -0700 From: Kim Flint < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ob echoplex dp - where to buy? us$$$? Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 9:01 AM -0700 6/3/97, dan mcmullen wrote: >hello. i'm new to the list & am just beginning to explore looping, though >i've followed its use in recordings for quite a while. > >can anyone recommend good places to purchase the echoplex + foot controller >in the US? You can call Oberheim and ask for a dealer, 510-635-9633. You're in the Bay Area, right? They will probably suggest Haight-Ashbury or Banana's at Large. >what are street prices that folks have paid recently? > not sure, I guess it's around $600, maybe a little less. >do current units include the new firmware, or how long til that's available? There is no new firmware yet, but we hope that will change real soon.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 03:28:54 -0500 From: John Pollock < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay Message-id: <<33952746.24F8@delphi.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit T.W. Hartnett wrote: > > For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom > 508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. > Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, > programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching > patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I > bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out > my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the > sound. Thanks, Travis-- I'd been wondering. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 06:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: David Darling : Cello Message-ID: <<970604060830_-94655097@emout04.mail.aol.com> Matthias, if you like David Darling, check out this recording. It's on ECM records and it's quite amazing. He even plays 8 string electric cello. Very slow ambient pieces. Quite evocative. I made a tape from a friends CD and I've yet to bump into the actual CD in a shop. It was recorded in 1991-92 in Oslo. I'm not 100% sure about the title, but some of the tracks are: Darkwood 1, No Place Nowhere, Lament, Indiana Indian, Fables, etc. Check it out. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 06:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Message-ID: <<970604061133_-1798946424@emout14.mail.aol.com> That sounds absolutely amazing! Any recordings? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:18:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" < To: Loopers-Delight < Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Message-Id: <<9706041230.AA08476@beryllium.lexicon.com> Michael wrote: >One thing I'm not sure about - I understand there'll be page panning - but >will there be actual stereo looping? I've given this whole PC-thing some >thought, and if it's possible to select pages from MIDI, and the beast has >stereo looping a more memory (there's tons more 4Mx4bit ZIPs about than >1Mx4bit...) that's all the extra functionality I need.... though of course >I'm grateful for anything this update does! Jeez, I'm just about to order >new ZIPs (for $5 each at closeout!!) and the prospect of 32 secs is >daunting enough!! The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. What this software offers is the ability to play back multiple loops at the same with the ability to place the loops anywhere in the stereo field. Its a lot like a mixing board connected to a multi-track tape machine; each track on the tape is mono but you can use the pan and level controls to position the tracks in the mix. >You also said the Vortex >design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential peice >of kit. Can they be persuaded...? It's pretty unlikely but I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec bsellon@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:52:15 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hmmmm. a very complex set of problems, as I had also thought of >getting a couple extra pickups and trying the DIY approach. >Actually I think an interesting approach would be to buy 6 >ebows, pull out the electronics, and mount them in a guitar >body, but that probably also be difficult, particularly in >terms of mounting the hardware. It would allow one neat >thing, independent sustainability on each string... > >jim ... which is what I was heading for, using the hex piezo pickup to select the string. There would be no feedback from the driver to the piezo either. I even tried to use the piezo as a driver, but it only worked on the highest pitched notes, since it has a tiny amplitude. Matthias --------------------------------