------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 82 Today's Topics: Delivery Report [ ] Delivery Report [ ] Re: questions for one and all [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: Delivery Report [ Joe Cavaleri ] What's in the Torn video? [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Delivery Report [ ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:49 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-542@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:16 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:31:13 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061431_MC2-17A9-6FAA@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:31:11 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:48 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061356_MC2-17B8-4F9@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:55:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:21 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-C2F4@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:50 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: funky messages Message-ID: <970606150132_-1998691223@emout04.mail.aol.com> what's up with all these delivery report messages i'm getting? am i the only one? >>Subj: Delivery Report Date: 97-06-06 03:15:27 EDT From: Gateway@CSERVE5.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 18:55:02 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Received: from emin02.mail.aol.com (emin02.mail.aol.com [ 152.163.125.51]) by jpin03.mail.aol.com with SMTP; Fri, 06 Jun 1997 02:15:26 1900 Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by emin02.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id DAA01006 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZtF1-0000B1-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:15:19 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:55:32 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051455_MC2-17B8-BD0E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ctoab.A.WD.qi7lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: MiqSk8@aol.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:15:19 -0700 >>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:18:08 -0700 From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Delivery Report Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB2EE@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> Yep. Somebody's server is bouncing stuff back to the list, isn't technology fun! > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [SMTP:sechevar@PureAtria.COM] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:16 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: Delivery Report > > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 > (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:49 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-544@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: bfraser@yesic.com (KoRn fReAk) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: <199706061914.PAA01754@galileo.yesic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:06 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> Subject: Delivery Report >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> >> >> >> >> > I'm getting 'em too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:58:55 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061358_MC2-17A9-6F58@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:58:25 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:22:29 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: funky messages Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970606202229.00a87150@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everybody is getting them, sorry. A particular list member's mail server is having troubles and posting bounce messages to the list. He knows about and hopefully is getting his provider to fix it. If it continues to be a problem, I'll take him off the list for a while when I get home, until he can get it fixed. kim At 03:02 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >what's up with all these delivery report messages i'm getting? am i the only >one? > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:41:39 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: questions for one and all Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 6/4/97 you wrote: > >and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve >by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. >Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial >Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on >the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional >sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's >cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on >with all this equipment and talent and ... > Personally, I use my two jam men for atmospheric/textural loops. Though at times guitar or keyboard arpeggios are slipped in. My partner Steev Geest does more of the same. We also frequently have loops running and very long delays at the same time. With 4 jam men between us and a couple shorter options with the Vortex and the Roland RPS-10 there are many options available. Sound Carpets, I like the sound of this. You can check out our site for some samples of what we do. Or you can order our tape Enormous Swirling Sound for $5 postpaid in the US. We're constantly laying down new material and are currently debating hitting a studio with digital multi tacking equipment. And we're always improvising to hone our skills for the occassioanl live gig. Any news on the next Mid-Atlantic Loop Show? Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:48:07 -0700 From: Joe Cavaleri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970606204807.00695d20@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" everybody At 12:06 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> Subject: Delivery Report >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:04:23 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-ID: <33983507.7B5489EB@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( Sean Echevarria wrote: > > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 10:51:35 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: What's in the Torn video? Message-Id: <199706061550.IAA21194@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm >still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal >processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are >they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this >cool box" type thing? I've got both of the Torn videos. How useful they are depends on how much experience you already have with signal processors, effects and looping. The looping sort of stuff doesn't really kick in until the second tape. The first tape has a nice walk through of David's rig--the Klein (including demonstrations of how each pickup setting sounds, the range on the tone control, the Transtrem, etc.), the many footpedals he has before the front end of his amp (including TWO auto-wah's), a demo of the Rivera combo. He stresses how many useful sounds you can get without having a rack full of gear, from cheaper footpedals. The second video introduces some of his looping hardware. At that point he was using the modified PCM-42, a Digitech Smartshift, and a PCM-70 or 80 for reverbs. There's also a demo of using a rackmounted mixer to control the signal flow for the looping rack. He sets up a few loops, explains the control he has over each of the processor, and walks you through three (I think, it's been a while since I watched the videos) loops, explaining the whole time exactly what and how he's doing it. Then he solos for a while over the loops. After that there's a quick demo of the Ithaca Guitar Works acoustic, and he does some quick looping in a tuning that he makes up on the spot. Then there's a couple more examples of extended technique (preparing the guitar, putting in a second bridge to divide the strings into two playable lengths, some stuff with an E-bow). In my opinion, the video is of the greatest use to somebody wondering exactly what and how all this looping stuff is about/done. By the time I got a hold of the videos, I already had an extensive looping rig and a fair amount of experience in hooking up tons of pedals to make weird sounds, so there wasn't the "Revealing of the Masonic Secrets of Looping" that I was subconsciously hoping for. However, it's still very, very informative to see someone else explain exactly what's going on while they loop before you. The videos also include a diagram of the rig Torn is using at the time, which did prompt me to add a mixer to my rack. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:36:52 -0500 From: "Angie Rice" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Message-Id: <199706061935.3867300@taascforce.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > Ed > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. > It was definitely worth the wait! > > -Art My bandmate ordered one from Sam Ash in December, and was told just last week that even though the new ones were supposedly coming out, that they (Sam Ash) had received no information and it seemed as if they would not be getting any in. So they refunded his money and he's royally pissed. Anyone know what's up? Justin Rice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:02:21 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061902_MC2-17A9-3F4F@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:02:20 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:03:27 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061903_MC2-17A9-3F53@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:03:23 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:03:26 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061903_MC2-17A9-3F52@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:03:23 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:07:35 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newlooper Message-ID: <33989837.49DB@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isagil wrote: > Since the JamMan is sold out and part of history, I thought buying an > Echoplex would be a good deal. I found your mailing list just yesterday - > many persons seem to be using that Echoplex around here. Any comments > regarding that tool? Victor Wooten uses Boomerang Phrase Samplers, and he ain't no ordinary bass player. He did a tour with himself, a drummer and a Rang. I didn't see it but have talked to two people who have and they said his performances were amazing. Motley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:27 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061904_MC2-17A9-71A7@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:04:25 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:27 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061904_MC2-17A9-71A8@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:04:26 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:05:59 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061906_MC2-17A9-71D6@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:05:30 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:45:18 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! Message-ID: <3398A10D.7F18@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Grob wrote: > By the way: how do you want us to call you? Mr. Nelson? Mike? Mikell? Motley? Hmmmm... All of these are far superior to some names I've been called, but I'd say let your mood dictate. I'll respond to all. Motley Shut up Motley! Don't listen to him. (Mikell) Will you guys chill. (Mr. Nelson) Can I talk now? (Mike) Really. We, er, uh, I will respond to any reasonable name. (Motley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:58:48 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Message-ID: <3398A438.6E5@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Thanks for your informative post about the Zoom 508 but the LoOpDoctOrs > must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the > realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. > We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be > accessed if you "have the instructions." > > We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same > time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art. > > In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry > when it comes to looper ergonomics. > > The LoOpDoctOrs OK, I'm going to take off the flack jacket and open myself up. What do the LoOpDoctOrs think of the user interface/use-ability/ergonomics of the Boomerang Phrase Sampler? Humbly waiting, Motley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:58 -0400 From: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Delivery Report Message-ID: <199706061905_MC2-17B8-C4F9@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:04:28 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:00:47 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-ID: <3398A4AF.76A2@crystalball.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > > > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > >> Subject: Delivery Report > >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > >> I'm getting tons of them! What's up? Motley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:42:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > .......I'm pretty sure it's just you, man. are you feeling okay? > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:08:30 +0100 From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >> Is everybody getting these or just me? >> >> >.......I'm pretty sure it's just you, man. are you feeling okay? > > >> I'm getting a zillion. AAAAH! B.P. >> > >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 11:28:18 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: questions for one and all Message-Id: <199706061628.JAA25254@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... >if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what >parameters are controlable by it? As far as I can tell, you can only control the mix level of the dry and wet signals with the expression pedal. You can also hook a momentary switch up to activate the hold feature (much easier for me than simultaneously hitting both of the pedal mounting switches at the same time). I didn't expect to be able to assign the pedal to those features, but once I saw that they'd bothered to include the jack for the mix level, it did prompt me to wonder why not make it assignable. feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's >output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been >considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to >mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the >fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor >dependent/intensive. There is a stereo tap and ping-pong setting for the delays and the reverb/echo, but no panning. For the 508 you should be thinking 4-second, programable, tapable delay pedal, with a built in tuner. It's a simple pedal with more memory than ANY other pedal I know of, at that price point. That I believe is it's selling point. It's not as rugged as the Boss pedals, but it's costs half as much, is programmable, and has four-seconds of delay. Again, this is a pedal I would strongly recommend to someone who wants to get into looping and already has a pedal-based guitar setup. For $150 (including the adaptor), you've got a good taste of a whole new world of sound. If you want to get a JamMan or Echoplex later, the 508 is still extremely useful as a floor-based unit to use in real time. You can't twiddle the knobs in realvtime, a la Belew in '80's King Crimson, but it is programable, so you could have a four second looper, a four-tap volume swell sound, slap-back echo, soloing delay, etc available without having to bend over and mess with the knobs. Remember, the delay time is also tapable. No it's not perfect, and we're all somewhat spoiled in our rising expectations for gear flexibility, but I still say the 508 is a great starter unit or addition to anyone's looping rig, even with it's limitations. I've gotten years and years of enjoyment out of a plain 3.6 second rack mount, non-programmable delay--I anticipate years of use from the Zoom. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:38:15 -0700 From: Jay Taylor To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ME TOO GET THESE THINGS OUTA HERE. At 12:04 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( > >Sean Echevarria wrote: >> >> Is everybody getting these or just me? >> >> >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> > Subject: Delivery Report >> > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter P.O. Box 1333 The State (a Knight-Ridder newspaper) Columbia, S.C. 29201 (803) 771-8549 fax: (803) 771-8430, 8480 jtaylor@scsn.net --------------------------------