------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 83 Today's Topics: JM Memory update-'rang ergonomics-Br [ Jeff Schwartz ] Re: questions for one and all [ mgsam@wave.net ] Re: Has anyone received a backordere [ Kim Flint ] Re: questions for one and all [ BlkSwan03@aol.com ] Re: fun with retriggering and anti-g [ BlkSwan03@aol.com ] Re: Has anyone received a backordere [ Stew Benedict ] Re: fun with retriggering and anti-g [ james rhodes ] Re: questions for one and all [ james rhodes ] Re: Non-Guitar Looping [ "James Reynolds" ] Re: Sustain(Warning!) [ SoundFNR@aol.com ] Re: Dork has more to say [ SoundFNR@aol.com ] Re: Looping in London [ SoundFNR@aol.com ] RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant [ Kim Flint ] Re: Has anyone received a backordere [ "andrew" ] Re: Has anyone received a backordere [ Kim Flint ] Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pian [ Kim Flint ] Damage [ Dan Howarth ] symetrix delay [ Kim Flint ] Re: Damage [ james rhodes ] Re: Looping in London [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:59:11 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JM Memory update-'rang ergonomics-Braxton Message-ID: <3398CE7F.6A24@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, my JamMan RAM came today from visionsoft-which appears to specialize in Amiga computer stuff. It was no problem installing them and I am now digging the loong loopage. It was under $50-very cool. Any of you mad scientist types want the old chips? I'll trade 'em for a a tape or something. Oddly, the first effect of having 32 seconds of looping instead of 8 has been to make me more conservative-instead of building ambient textures etc, my instinct is to lay down a 8 or 12 bar chord pattern and play leads in a pretty traditional way. I'm sure this is just because I couldn't lay down these kinds of patterns before so it's, like, new. So now a question. Since I got the additional memory, I was excited to do the multiple loop thing, so I hooked up the second JM footswitch for Function/Select, and it ain't working right. When the second footswitch is connected, the first one (Reset/Byp/Tap) doesn't work. What's the deal? The first footswitch is the one that came with the unit; the second is a generic one that came shrinkwrapped to a piece of cardboard hanging on a pegboard at the music store (as is the 2nd stereo cord). I'm thinking maybe I got the wrong kind of 1/4" stereo cord. Now, I'm not a loopdoctor or anything, but the one time I tried the Boomerang, I couldn't get it to work. Granted, I was at Guitar Center in Hollywood and the clerk dude had no idea what the 'rang was (this was about a year ago-I don't know if it's useful for Motley to send 'em hate mail, this cat was just on a trip where he wanted to sell Grunge (TM) distortions and CryBabies to teen boys), andhe wouldn't get the manual. I guess what I'm saying is that I think the interface arguement is really complicated. I think it would be really arrogant for me to say that, since it wasn't immediately visually obvious how the thing worked that it was a bad design-no gear is that intuitive (example-a guitarist I played with bought an overdrive, a yellow box with level and gain knobs and a footswitch. He never figured out that he should set the level knob in relation to the level of his clean sound). I don't really know what I'm saying-yes I do-I don't think the folks at DOD made a poorly designed overdrive; I think this guitarist was not very clever. I love the design of my Digitech PDS 1002 2 second delay (which I used as my only looper for 5 years before buying the JM). There's a switch for delay range (125ms, 500ms, 2sec), knobs for time, regeneration, mix, output, and input. There are two footswitcheswith LEDs-one marked "repeat hold" and the other "bypass." When the bypass light is off, the delayed sound is not heard. When the repeat hold light is on, the sound in the delay continues playing and any new input is passed through, not delayed. The first time I tried this box it made sense and I understood how to use it as a looper. Granted, it's wrong to have the bypass switch light off when the effect is bypassed-they really should have labeled that switch something like "engage." Still, this little dude is a really flexable looping too-better than any of the rack delays of similar vintage collecting dust at the local music store. At the same time, it's pretty useless if you want to play loops in time with other musicians, unless they follow me. Tap tempo rules for that. I tried the 8 second version of the Digitech double-wide and it was impossible. Exactly the same layout, but I think the delay ranges were 500ms, 2sec, and 8sec-trying to match a tempo in the 2-8 second range using a knob with no display was just not humanly possible. I guess what I'm trying to get to is my feeling that a lot of the things I want gear to do are not things that can be presented in something like a DOD overdrive or a Fender Princeton amp, which can be operated without reading the directions by anyone who's not a complete pinhead. If the JM didn't come with directions I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea what to do with it (the same way I felt trying to use the 'rang at McGuitar Center relying only on my experience of other delay devices and a vague recollection of a Guitar Player review. So, there's stuff which is intuitive (fuzzbox) and stuff which is not (JamMan), and then there's stuff which, once somebody tells you how it works, is logical to operate (most looping devices) and stuff that is not (bassoon). I dunno where all this is going. Probably everything I said is totally obvious to people who actually design stuff, but it seemed useful to me to work it out aloud. Here's a bonus non-gear point. Check out Anthony Braxton if you haven't already. He does a lot of different compositional stuff involving repetition and juxtaposition and has a very involved logical system including a catalog of different kinds of repetition. I particularly dig his Composition 23C (his pieces have complicated graphic titles and are usually know by number instead) on the Arista LP New York, Fall 1974. It's a series of 12 phrases, repeated, adding a phrase each time, so it's played: 1, 1+2,1+2+3, 1+2+3+4, etc. Flute, muted trumpet, and upright bass play the melody in unision while the drummer improvises. It's a kind of repetition I've never heard used before, and it's cool because familiar material keeps reoccuring, so it seems song-like, but the length of the song form keeps changing. You could play a tune like this like an accordion too-in 23c the form just gets longer, but there's not reason not to shrink it back down again or slide it up and down, maybe using hand signals to cue the band to add or subtract a phrase like in one of John Zorn's game pieces. Why not use this as a game, like one of those drinking games where the idea is to force your opponent to take off the last phrase? I have no idea how we can do this kind of thing with looping delays, but it's probably pretty easy in CSound or other compositional software. Anyway, check out Braxton. Graham Lock's book Forces in Motion does a pretty good job of translating Braxton's ideas into regular English, and I'm a big fan of his 70s quartet with Dave Holland, Barry Altschul, and either Kenny Wheeler or George Lewis. You can find a leadsheet for 23c in Ronald Radano's dissertation on Braxton (but not in the published book version) if you have a good music library handy. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:44:55 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970607054455.0094dfe0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sorry, I'm still in Scummydale. I'll remove the offending address from the list when I get home, unless it's managed to fix itself by now. Oh, and here's a fun pop quiz: How many more bounce messages do we all get if 39 people say "me too"? kim At 07:38 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >ME TOO GET THESE THINGS OUTA HERE. > > >At 12:04 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( >> >>Sean Echevarria wrote: >>> >>> Is everybody getting these or just me? >>> ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:18:28 -0700 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: questions for one and all Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Travis, you write... "It's a simple pedal with more memory than ANY other pedal I know of, at that price point. That I believe is it's selling point. It's not as rugged as the Boss pedals, but it's costs half as much, is programmable, and has four-seconds of delay. " We think DOD has had a four second sample and hold pedal out for over a year. It's the FX-94 or FX-96 or something...and they're selling at $109 from Musician's Discount Warehouse. It was reviewed in Guitar Player. We have not had a chance to try it out though. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:12:38 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:36 PM -0500 6/6/97, Angie Rice wrote: >> I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. >> It was definitely worth the wait! >> >> -Art > >My bandmate ordered one from Sam Ash in December, and was told just last >week that even though the new ones were supposedly coming out, that they >(Sam Ash) had received no information and it seemed as if they would not >be getting any in. So they refunded his money and he's royally pissed. >Anyone know what's up? > >Justin Rice I would say that this is very lame on the part of Sam Ash, and your friend should order from somebody else. "Oberheim is shipping product now, so we're going to cancel your order." duhhhh...... If you call Oberheim, they can help you find a dealer. Obie's number is 510-635-9633. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: questions for one and all Message-ID: <970607033405_189124026@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/97 6:19:27 PM, you wrote: <> Who makes a panning pedal? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Message-ID: <970607044824_123840202@emout19.mail.aol.com> Geez Kim, is that Klein already old hat? I was just getting very interested! But yes, this is true about the almost 100% nature of guitar talk here. ( Altho, I love them too) I'm just kind of wondering, where are all the synth and sampler characters? Looping on midi instruments using the loop function on the sequencer is quite the experience. You don't have to worry about length at all and the fidelity is extraordinary. Stereo is a given. Set your synth or sampler to multimode and roll. Just change midi channels for desired sounds and..........well, there it is. I always find interesting places this way. Volume, panning, and even sounds can be changed at any time. For those who haven't experienced this, go commandeer a synth with the aforementioned sequencer option and go mad. Also, what about vocal compositions? Chants and all, with lots of effects? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and I'm still waiting. Stew Benedict Chapman Stick #926 On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > > Hello fellow loopers, > > > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > Ed > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. > It was definitely worth the wait! > > -Art > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:14:54 -0500 (CDT) From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Message-Id: <199706071514.KAA13280@mail1.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" yes indeed,,,a synth lends itself quite well to looping compositions,,,i must admit that most of the looping i have done has involved Chapman Stick(R) and some guitar,,,over the last couple of months i have recorded some 100% vocal pieces as well as incorporated an Ensoniq ESQ-1 (synth/sequencer from late 80's) it really opens up a variety of patches or sounds,,,which i use together to form some quite soothing music much different than my Stick or guitar compositions...i have also experimented with laying down a slapping/funk bass line and soloing over that with my bass... i just cant see doing future live gigs WITHOUT my Jamman or Echoplex....or my ESQ-1, or my bass or my stick or my voice or the SUN (yes im determined to do MOST of this summer's gigs powered by 100% solar power) there are plenty of reasonably priced synths in the used gear market,,,even if you are not an accomplished keyboardist, i highly recommend picking one up, and locking yourself away for a day with it and your jamman/echoplex/rang or other... and guess what??? your guitar will still be waiting on you when you are finished,,, unbiased,and forever loyal... Todays picks: anything by The Jesus Lizard or Cecil Taylor bye for now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:17:30 -0500 (CDT) From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: questions for one and all Message-Id: <199706071517.KAA13488@mail1.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:34 AM 6/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 6/6/97 6:19:27 PM, you wrote: > ><> > >Who makes a panning pedal? i think Morley makes one,,,or did > > Jim > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:17:07 -0700 From: "James Reynolds" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping Message-Id: <199706071627.JAA03512@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone asked about non-guitar loopers on this list... I began looping mainly with bass noises (harmonics, misc. un-basslike tweakage) through effects (distortion, wah, volume, vortex) into a plex and jamcompadre. But I keep adding to my arsenal of source-material widgets. All are fed through the same signal chain as the bass, so they can also be disconcertingly effected. I'll be getting an 8-channel submixer soon so switching between toys will be easier. So far I'm using a theremin (spooky 50s sci-fi sounds), analog synth (Roland Juno 6: Knobs! Reatime!), random AM radio (looped Mariachi sounds can be hauntingly beautiful), samples grabbed from obscure vinyl (gotta love 50 cent records like "Rapture: Hawaiian Moods"), and CD/tape/vinyl in realtime (slide up the fader at random times and loop it..) james ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain(Warning!) Message-ID: <970607141127_-2031663053@emout19.mail.aol.com> Isn't there a chance that driving p/us from an amplifier is going to burn it out? I remember buying pickups which came with a warning about even testing the resistance.(Do not apply more than 1V). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Message-ID: <970607141123_-1998567885@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 03/06/97 4:39:418:23, you write: << Greetings say I, named Boris or Jay I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her down? >> B|J The first thing to try is to wiggle the valves a bit, assuming that by noise you mean hum. Then you could try removing the valves one at a time, and spraying some switch cleaner on the contacts. After that it either gets pricey( new valves might do it), or technical. But as someone else on the list said, make sure it's the amp thats at fault. Andy Butler ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London Message-ID: <970607141126_2054440368@emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 04/06/97 8:36:508:23, you write: << >Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? >> There's a guy called Dave Draper who plays as "the Invisible String Quartet". He loops electric & prepared electric guitars through a pile of vintage + modern FX. He turns up occasionally on the borders of the "free music" scene. Last time I saw him he was excellent. There's a couple of buskers, one in Norwich & one in Cambridge both playing simple ambient type stuff with delays around 1s . I'll be taking my Vortex/JamMan to Norwich Art's Centre(bar) on 1st July for a short set (8PM?). I'll be using some quite unusual Vortex patches. Andy Butler How many does that make? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:58:08 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:08 PM +0100 6/5/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: >Bob: > >>The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) >>converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. > >This surprises me - why were stereo DACs included when only one is used? >Was this upgrade planned, or is it because the JamMan shares gubbins with >mono-in /stereo out processors? I can probably answer that. Audio DACs typically only come as stereo devices. ADCs are the same. There are many good, low-cost audio converters out these days, and they are all stereo. When looking for a reasonable quality part at a reasonable price, this is what a designer will probably end up using. Even if it means half of the converter is wasted, there are lots of other parts necessary to acheive full stereo. Not to mention a greater processing load! So depending on the application, a designer might need to use a more powerful processor to handle stereo, plus additional opamps, pots, passive components, etc. The price could go up quite a bit. If you are making a low cost mono device, you will almost certainly end up using stereo ADCs and DACs, even though half is unused. The Echoplex is the same way, actually. In the Jamman it probably has more to do with sharing hardware with the Alex/Vortex; the cost saving mono decisions were probably made for those guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:15:18 +0100 From: "andrew" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Message-Id: <199706071911.UAA11621@mail.bogo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about this - I've been looking for a plex in the UK with no joy, so I contacted Oberheim in the US to find out if there was a distributor here. Apparently the news is my nearest contact is in ITALY. Sheesh, musky. And to think I saw one in Naples last year while on holiday - the price was a billion lire or something. Girlfriend said no. Regards Andrew > > > > It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. > > I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and > > I'm still waiting. > > > > Stew Benedict > > Chapman Stick #926 > > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > > > > > > Hello fellow loopers, > > > > > > > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's > customer > > > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard > of > > > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or > April. > > > It was definitely worth the wait! > > > > > > -Art > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:19:56 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. sure, a manufacturer doesn't want to piss off their best customers! Those are the guys who buy/sell the most product, so naturally they get special treatment. Oberheim is steadily shipping product. (I seen it with my own eyes!) Be patient, it'll get there. You see, Oberheim is pretty small, and producing anything in volume requires a significant amount of capital, so they can only do so many at once. There are a lot of plex backorders at the moment (the number is rising, apparently), and the OB guys are working hard to get them filled as soon as they can. Might take a month or so, but it's coming. kim >I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and >I'm still waiting. > >Stew Benedict >Chapman Stick #926 > >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > >> > Hello fellow loopers, >> > >> > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, >> > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer >> > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of >> > anybody getting one yet. >> > >> > Ed >> >> I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. >> It was definitely worth the wait! >> >> -Art >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:33:39 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The loop docs make some very good points: At 10:53 AM -0700 6/4/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the >realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. >We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be >accessed if you "have the instructions." >We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same >time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art (and >In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry >when it comes to looper ergonomics. And despite some keen and well made criticisms of their point of view, and despite the fact that some of the criticism is directed at my own work, I totally agree with what they are saying. Loopers are in their infancy when compared to the development of the grand piano or a guitar, or many other fine instruments. We should not be satisfied that the ergonomics of looping instruments have been well solved or worked out. We do have a long way to go! That may be an important role for our little group in the looping universe. How should this instrument work ergonomically? How can we make it better? You have the ears of the most progressive designers in the field present on this list, tell us what you think! And as technology allows us more possibilites, the interface design becomes even more challenging. Many ideas for what the next generation of loopers should do have been proposed here. How will the musician control these features? What will make them intuitive and easy to use expressively, like guitars and pianos and saxophones? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:20:47 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Damage Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII found the Damage cd by David Sylvian and Robert Fripp, featuring Trey Gunn on Stick (R), Michael Brook on infinite guitar, and Pat "Meatloaf" Mastelotto. i had expected TG to be on it, but was pleased to find the other two also. i guess i'd thought jerry marotta or somebody would do it, like the album. anyhow, TG seems to do a lot of great two-handed work. i don't think it's Brook (though i don't really know about the "infinite guitar" thing) because it sounds like a clean melody Stick, or that very familiar wah/distorto sound that he does. isn't this also available on laserdisc or something? how about VHS? why laserdisc? is Brook doing the delay stuff? very clean, quick echoes with a bit of regeneration but not enough to make it muddy... fripp and gunn are fairly familiar these days, so i don't think it's them. **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:52:29 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: symetrix delay Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? Looks like a great delay unit; true stereo, 20bit A/D, filters, modulation, tap tempo, midi sync, and knobs..... Downside seems to be only 2.6 seconds for "normal resolution" and 1.3 seconds for "high resolution." Memory is cheap, what are they thinking? Take a look, the ad is in the latest Mix magazine, probably other places. Url is http://www.symetrixaudio.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:02:43 -0500 (CDT) From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Damage Message-Id: <199706080302.WAA28545@mail2.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >isn't this also available on laserdisc or something? how about VHS? why >laserdisc? yes and it is very excellent...the picture and sound on Laserdisc is as good as it gets. and yes its on VHS and most likely PAL as well,,,Possible Productions has it. check it out james ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London Message-ID: <970608001851_1720416893@emout20.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 6/7/97 8:53:15 PM, Andy from the UK wrote: <> Why not post some example parameters...if you've got any to spare? dpc --------------------------------