------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: Re: Improving looper interfaces [ Dave Stagner ] Re: Delivery Report [ Edgardo Valenzuela ] RE: New to List - Intro & Trouble Fi [ "C.H.Glansdorp" ] Re: 4 Sec Delay [ Paolo Valladolid ] RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces [ UFO WALTER ] Re: Symetrix 606 [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: gear [ james rhodes ] Re: gear/oops sorry [ james rhodes ] Trouble Finding a Plex [ "C.H.Glansdorp" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Improving looper interfaces Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You know, all this talk of interfaces, especially tracking where you are in a loop, reminds me of the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay. It had a slider for a click track, which controlled both an LED and an optional audible click. It flashed in a rhythmic pattern, and the slider controlled both the rate, and a variety of patterns. This way, you could tune the number of beats/bars flashed over the course of the loop. Excellent bit of interface, that. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:50:49 -0400 () From: Edgardo Valenzuela To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" cc: jharif@emerald.tufts.edu Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please remove me from all mailing lists. I'll sign up again in the Fall. Thanks. On Fri, 30 May 1997 Gateway@CSERVE5.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote: > Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > Subject: Re: Sustain > Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: E-bow Message-Id: <199706121726.KAA15570@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't for Engla,d, paolo, but in France I paid the equivalent of 150 > bucks. Street price. I don't even want to tell you the price of a plex'. > > Olivier malhomme $150 sounds about right for the selling price for an Ebow in Europe, based on my conversations with my friend Francesco (the Stick player) who has discovered it is cheaper to fly to the U.S. and pick up gear himself rather than buy it in Europe. It's the $400 price that confused me; then it turned out Michael is out to build a six-channel version. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 13:29:20 -0500 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Subject: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Message-Id: <199706121727.NAA12619@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Greetings, all. I've been lurking here a few weeks after stumbling upon the Looper's Delight Web Site. Needless to say, I was *very* happily surprised to find that a group like this exists. First the intro: I am a freelance classical cellist working in South Florida, USA. After finishing my BM at the Eastman School of Music, I bought one of the early 5-string electric cellos made by Eric Jensen in Seattle, WA. The New World Symphony brought me to Florida, and after a 3-year stint with them I stuck around the area, as the freelance scene is quite abundant. I play with all the area's organizations (Pops, Operas, Symphonies) and on string recording sessions for Sony, EMI, BMG, etc. (mostly latin artists - it's Miami!). -CHG- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:45:15 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Message-ID: <01BC7736.DCDC5DA0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" C.H.: Tell us some cello stories. For example, your equipment, finding gigs, how people react when you tell them what you do for a living, etc. Also, since you have an electric cello do you try to get an amplified acoustic sound or do you mangle it like an electric guitar with distortion and effects? Can you get controllable feedback with it? Thanks, Mark Kata ---------- From: C.H.Glansdorp[SMTP:briareus@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 2:29 PM To: Loop List Subject: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Greetings, all. I've been lurking here a few weeks after stumbling upon the Looper's Delight Web Site. Needless to say, I was *very* happily surprised to find that a group like this exists. First the intro: I am a freelance classical cellist working in South Florida, USA. After finishing my BM at the Eastman School of Music, I bought one of the early 5-string electric cellos made by Eric Jensen in Seattle, WA. The New World Symphony brought me to Florida, and after a 3-year stint with them I stuck around the area, as the freelance scene is quite abundant. I play with all the area's organizations (Pops, Operas, Symphonies) and on string recording sessions for Sony, EMI, BMG, etc. (mostly latin artists - it's Miami!). -CHG- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:00:15 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman Availability in NYC Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody want to help this fellow out? >>From kflint Wed Jun 11 19:15:29 1997 >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:19:42 -0400 >From: MIKE SCHANZER >Reply-To: mrmike@spec.net >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: Jamman Availability in NYC >X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jamman_misc.html > >I need a jamman for my wife, who's an acoustic elkectric cellist...Any >ideas wehere i can get one asap in the NYC area?? >ThaNKS.... > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 14:23:36 -0500 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Subject: RE: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Message-Id: <199706121822.OAA03234@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I assume you'll all get my continuation email shortly if not already. >Tell us some cello stories. For example, your equipment, finding gigs, >how people react when you tell them what you do for a living, etc. > >Also, since you have an electric cello do you try to get an amplified >acoustic sound or do you mangle it like an electric guitar with distortion >and effects? Can you get controllable feedback with it? OK. My rig - a Jensen 5-string electric cello. A solid cocobolo stick with an ebony fingerboard. Transducer bridge sums the 5 strings to a mono 1/4 inch output like your basic electric guitar. Learn about Jensen's instruments here: http://www.halcyon.com/jensmus/ My email link on the player's page of the above URL is old, BTW. The cello has no sound cavity, therefore no acoustic properties whatsoever. The EC goes into an ART TubeMP preamp, then a Samson 1/3 octave graphic EQ, a Digitech DHP-33 harmonizer, the 32-sec JamMan, and finally into a Lexicon MPX-1. I mix on a Mackie 1202vlz into a Tascam DA-20 DAT recorder. I used to have a Tascam cassette 8-track multitracker, but sold it for the Mackie and some capital to buy a PowerMac 8500. I'm learning the digital recording thing. I got into electronic music at Eastman - tried a Barcus-Berry transducer on my cello into a friends distortion pedal and big Peavey amp. Way fun, but the acoustic cello sound confused me, what with the odd-yet-cool stuff coming out of the amp. Feedback was also a problem, so I got a full electric cello. I am in no way trying to get a decent cello sound out of the electric (although I can get it pretty close). I figure I'll use my real cello if I want a real cello sound. Yes, there are psychological escapism ramifications here... comes from being a classically trained orchestral musician. I love it, but enjoy the freedom of doing my own wierd thing sometimes. No conductors, no management, etc. At this point I make a living solely with the "real" cello. The season is hectic and very busy - not enough time to do electric stuff, let alone work out some live solo gigs. I did 52 services last December and it didn't slow down until May, which is why I'm taking the summer off (retired from my summer festivals), to concentrate on electric stuff. I used to play in a duo with a friend who played electrified clarinet and Yamaha WX-11 wind controller when I was with the New World Symphony. We gigged around, put out an independent cassette release, and won a New Forms Florida artists grant. Sadly, he passed away about the time I started freelancing, so I'm just now gathering up the courage to go it alone. I played live electric solo once last season (to see if I could) at a local bookstore/coffee bar, and people were very receptive (I love the "Where can I buy your CD's" comments. "Uhh, don't have any yet, but I'm working on it.") Seems not a lot of people do this kind of music with this kind of instrument. I'm into looping and delays and love the possibilities with this kind of equipment with a solo performer. I'm not a trained improviser - I just take my cello experience, mix in 4 years of music theory, and the influences of Philip Glass, Steve Roach, and a bunch of others and see what comes out of the speakers. Kinda fun :) Enough bandwidth for now. Again, I'm very happy to have found this list. +------------- | Christopher H. Glansdorp | Cellist/Electric Cellist +------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 17:56:32 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Message-Id: <9706128661.AA866156253@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Travis H said: Last week I said that I was unaware of any other long-delay pedals, other than the Zoom 508. The Loopdoctors pointed out the DOD DFX94, which also has 4 seconds. Details are scant on their website, but it appears to be the standard DOD single-wide metal box with one switch and four knobs, and thus no programmability (it also appears to be a mono device). With only one switch I'm unclear as to how you open and close the loop, unless there's a sample/hold mode in which the the delay is always active and the switch just opens the loop for more input. I wish they'd bring back the 8sec, two-switch floorbox. Yupp, the DFX 94 works exactly like you suspected. I know because thats me loopin tool. But no programability. Oh dear!!! Can't remember knob positions! I like it a lot, but I wish rythmic junk was easier to do with it. But rythmic loops can be made!! Just sync the delay, blah blah blah. I recomend it to you poor loopers like me. Jay or Boris mmason@faulkcomp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Message-Id: <199706122308.QAA19025@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > the the delay is always active and the switch just opens the loop for > more input. I wish they'd bring back the 8sec, two-switch floorbox. I remember one of the bass majors at the UCSD music department used one as part of his graduation recital. It was neat because he had a Persian rug and did this pseudo meditation/religious invocation act while looped electric bass was flying in the ether. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Marathon Records) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: symetrix delay Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? yeah....I actually called them up a few months ago about the box...inquiring about looping capabilites. Don't get your hopes up, they have no plans to offer a looping upgrade...although the guy I talked to sounded open to the possiblity of a 3rd party developing sofware for it.... Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Marathon Records http://www.netads.com/music/marathon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Marathon Records) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer suggestions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >2nd intellifex ltd , the 3rd out put goes to the 1st channel of a RANE >SM-82 MIXER , the 4th out put goes to a small sabine tuner. the 2 I'm using a RANE mixer in my rack as well. It's very quiet and pretty flexible. Although it only has one fx loop it is stereo so you can set it up to act as 2 seperate fx loops. Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Marathon Records http://www.netads.com/music/marathon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Yupp, the DFX 94 works exactly like you suspected. I know because > thats me loopin tool. But no programability. Oh dear!!! Can't remember > knob positions! Ahh...and I just saw two in the New Used Gear catalog from Daddy's Junky...one model # is DOD1361, and its price is $79.99...the other is DOD2372A and its price is $99.99....normally this catalog's wayyy overpriced, so i'd check the condition. Daddy's Junky - (603)623-4751, or they have a page at www.ugbm.com. good luck, Ryan, [who's happy with the PDS-8000 i found used...] ---- Ryan Blum "...to play 'Giant Steps' because you can seems lowfrqcy@west.net ridiculous to me. I went through that, but I was 14 years old." - John Medeski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:52:57 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Message-ID: <33A0A7F9.6B9C0D7A@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C.H.Glansdorp wrote: >... > I'm into looping and delays and love the possibilities with this kind of > equipment with a solo performer. I'm not a trained improviser - I just > take my cello experience, mix in 4 years of music theory, and the > influences of Philip Glass, Steve Roach, and a bunch of others and see > what comes out of the speakers. Kinda fun :) > > Enough bandwidth for now. Again, I'm very happy to have found this list. Wow, this sounds really interesting. Having played guitar for 10 years (all but burning myself out on the instrument) and being one of the many guitarist-loopers on the list, I find it difficult to get truly excited hearing about the more 'mundane' world of other guitarists/synth loopers. Just the thought of looping (not to mention electrifying and affecting) a cello, though, is a whole other dimension...so much so that my ears are already itching for a taste. Of course, the fact that the cello has always been my favorite orchestral string helps in this respect. :) When you do finally get some tracks down for a CD/Cass, I know I'd LOVE to hear it. I look forward to tales from the looped world of the cello. Welcome to the list. :) T.Pafford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:10:38 -0400 From: UFO WALTER To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces Message-ID: <199706122210_MC2-1863-3C6C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi Travis, you should try the Midi Control of the Jamman. There are so many great and innovative Ideas in this little beautifull box. I think Bob Sellon is steps ahead with his Idea of keeping complicated things so simple. UFO Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:53:22 -0500 From: John Michael Beard To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:interface, RE:mixer Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970613035322.00680074@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I have recently changed my gear around slightly because of this problem: >10. Leds/lights on the Oberheim foot-controller >- For live performance, I'm not always close enough to my rack to see >what's lit-up. But I am close to the foot controller. I've started keeping my rack at the front of the stage, to one side of me. I'm somewhat nearsighted so this has been an obvious move for a while... I was just stuck with the habit of " amps and gear go at the back of the stage." On the mixer front I will soon receive a Yamaha MV-802. A friend works at a sound gear shop and says a DJ brought it in. It's 3-space rack mnt. Does anyone have any info on these? His description sounds good.. it was probably a quality item when new. 8 channel stereo, 2 aux loops, even 2 mike inputs[unbalanced, unfortunately]. I don't know when they were made. They may even still be in production. Other than the Rane mixer mentioned, there really isn't much available that I'm aware of. Rane stuff is really nice. It's also mostly too pricey for my budget. "Music is the best." Frank Zappa John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:51:25 -0700 From: rick canton To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: gear Message-ID: <33A0DFDD.55D0@cyberportal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: -lexicon lxp-5 -lexicon mrc v4 -alembic f2b tube stereo preamp -peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx loop -mesa boogie v-twinn rack -mesa boogie studio preamp -bellari stereo tube mic pre -PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp -TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp -strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge -delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. -oberheim plex foot controller thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. e-mail me w/ questions etc. thanks, rick p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 Message-ID: <970613005535_614690517@emout19.mail.aol.com> Spoke with Steve Kawasaki at Symetrix (800-288-8855x279), who was very friendly, but, regrettably, said that there was NO 707 project underway, and that the engineers who had heard of our list's rumors were kinda baffled by them. He did tell me some interesting things about the 606, and encouraged us (anyone) to call with comments/questions/queries...."Obviously, we want to make boxes that people want!" He seemed quite conscious of the less-than-stellar sales of current looping tools, and ventured that the 606 wasn't at all intended for that purpose. ...but. It does have: 6 sweepable filter types including one (some?) with sharp resonant peaks; an envelope follower, assignable to any modulator; Stereo delays that can be linked in mono to provide twice the delay time; Modulation sources that are controlled as a group by the front-panel knob, but separately via MIDI; a "room simulation" that "sounds really nice," but takes all the avail. horsepower. He offered to send me a block diagram when I asked about cross-feedback; there's nothing as cool as the Vortex's dynamic ducking delays, but the feedback can be set to infinite without freezing out further input. Well, that's all I can remember; seems a pretty serious delay unit, but not a serious looper. Let's keep at 'em about that 707, say what? dpc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:07:30 -0500 (CDT) From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear Message-Id: <199706130507.AAA27095@mail1.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi, i will buy the plex footpedal if its in good shape,,,not too much money,and you still have it...let me know what you want for it ,,i can pick one up new for about $110-$120.00 US let me know, james At 10:51 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- > >i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: >-lexicon lxp-5 >-lexicon mrc v4 >-alembic f2b tube stereo preamp >-peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx >loop >-mesa boogie v-twinn rack >-mesa boogie studio preamp >-bellari stereo tube mic pre >-PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp >-TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp >-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill >delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. >-oberheim plex foot controller > >thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules > by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. > e-mail me w/ questions etc. > > thanks, >rick >p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:52:26 -0500 (CDT) From: james rhodes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear/oops sorry Message-Id: <199706130552.AAA00517@mail1.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" meant to be private...sorry At 12:07 AM 6/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >hi, >i will buy the plex footpedal if its in good shape,,,not too much money,and >you still have it...let me know what you want for it ,,i can pick one up new >for about $110-$120.00 US > >let me know, >james > > > >At 10:51 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- >> >>i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: >>-lexicon lxp-5 >>-lexicon mrc v4 >>-alembic f2b tube stereo preamp >>-peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx >>loop >>-mesa boogie v-twinn rack >>-mesa boogie studio preamp >>-bellari stereo tube mic pre >>-PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp >>-TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp >>-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >>-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill >>delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. >>-oberheim plex foot controller >> >>thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules >> by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. >> e-mail me w/ questions etc. >> >> thanks, >>rick >>p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 03:28:16 -0500 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Subject: Trouble Finding a Plex Message-Id: <199706130726.DAA19057@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Last message went out before I finished - oops :) working on this "queued message" thing. Anyway, I've been using a JamMan (32 secs) for the last couple of years, and from this list discovered the Echoplex - the idea of having a JamMan in front of an Echoplex really makes my mind go crazy thinking about the possibilities. I immediately ordered one through the local Sam Ash dealer. Five weeks later, the guy as Sam tells me that the Echoplex is no longer in production. This was yesterday. I've been lurking here a while and remember a couple weeks ago a post from Kim Flint saying that he was at Oberheim and saw a stack of them and they were ready to go out. I also recall the "Has anyone received a backordered 'plex" thread, so I feel I might be starting a long quest. What's going on? I figured I'd ask the list before I invest in a long distance call to Oberheim and before I lay into Sam Ash for not being able to find me one. Any info would be greatly appreciated - I really want one of these things! +------------- | Christopher H. Glansdorp | Cellist/Electric Cellist +------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:52:33 +0100 From: /G=Brian/S=Thomson/OU=0/OU=Unknown/@prudential.co.uk To: " - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Gear Message-Id: <0014400001962660000002*@MHS> To Rick, who posted the "Gear" message... I don't have your e-mail address, which got stripped by the mail system we use here. If you really have one of Allan Holdsworth's 30" DeLap guitars for sale, perhaps we should talk? Mail me at bnt@ibm.net, not the address this appears to be coming from! (Lotus Notes X.500 gateway...) Re: looping - any of you lot tried using an answering-machine continuous cassette in a 3-head tape deck? Looping in the raw! (Even more fun if you can temporarily disable the erase head.) Brian Thomson London, UK bnt@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 Message-ID: <970613070720_-1128253239@emout12.mail.aol.com> <> Speaking of which, does anybody know of other boxes out there that feature these mud-eliminating wonders? Maybe the pcm-80? Thanks, dpc --------------------------------