------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter [ "Hogan, Greg" ] RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ] RE: Lumpy AC adapters [ "Ott, John" ] RE:Jamup Grade,RE:Warts [ John Michael Beard ] Re: I like wall warts! [ Kim Flint ] daemons all round my bed [ "andrew" ] multilple loops w/ Jamman upgrade? [ "Jason N. Joseph" ] Re: I like wall warts! [ mgsam@wave.net ] Re: I like wall warts! [ BlkSwan03@aol.com ] RE: I like wall warts! [ Tom Attix ] PCM-80 [ UFO WALTER ] UfoĨs delight [ UFO WALTER ] IPS-33B [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:47:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter Message-Id: <9706161543.AA12353@beryllium.lexicon.com> Trevor said: > Hello, > > Can someone forward me the address of the Lexicon Consumer Service >dept.? I need to locate an AC adapter for a Jam Man. and kim replied with: "Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring these flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them hate them......... Greg Hogan is Lexicon's customer service rep. He reads this list, and will no doubt contact you on Monday.....right Greg? kim" You are so right Kim. Actually I have forwarded Trevors original message to Beth Fitzpatrick(efitzpat@lexicon.com) who should be contacting him shortly with pricing. Kim if you had purchased only Lexicon products you would be happy to know that the ones that use those ugly power lumps all use the same one with the exception of the LXP5. I know I don't have to explain the cost factors to you. Before any flames occur let it be known that I am not a fan of these power lumps either. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:54:26 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >and kim replied with: >"Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring >these >flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of >junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them >hate >them......... Yeah, what he said! I just got a Furman Pluglock outlet strip. Holds 5 of the lumpy suckers, and clamps them down so they stay plugged in. It's a pretty simple (but kinda expensive) device that simplified my life... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:23:37 -0400 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Lumpy AC adapters Message-ID: >----quote--- >From: improv@peak.org >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Monday, June 16, 1997 6:54 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter > >>and kim replied with: >>"Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring >>these >>flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of >>junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them >>hate >>them......... > >Yeah, what he said! > >I just got a Furman Pluglock outlet strip. Holds 5 of the lumpy suckers, >and clamps them down so they stay plugged in. It's a pretty simple (but >kinda expensive) device that simplified my life... -----end quote---- I use a cheap power strip with the sockets rotated 90 degrees then use cable ties to lock'em down. I don't like them either but the alternative is power supplies and fans to make floor and rack gear bigger and more expensive. Of all my gear only the Fender Amp and Mackie Mixer have built in supplies. Actually a lumpy supply saved a home computer of mine (TI-99/4a early eighties with lumpy power supply) Lighting hit the house and ran through the basement wiring. Fried a mid 60's Zenith tube color TV (burned the chassis beyond repair) blew out some diodes on the black and white TV (used as computer screen) the computer on same circuit was unharmed. Little lumpy survived also. Replaced the diodes on the B&W and the whole rigs still works to this day. (currently in a closet as I have two Macs. ) later John > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:03:12 -0500 From: John Michael Beard To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:Jamup Grade,RE:Warts Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970617050312.0068339c@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob said: >The upgrade will be less than $200. If response is >good enough I am considering doing further ROMs with additional/different >features for significantly less money. I will definitely get the upgrade as soon as I can afford it[and it's available]. I start salivating with every tease. Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep the double-damned things plugged in. In defense of them tho, if a power supply goes out it's easy to replace, and I've had to, several times. The funny thing is, I've never had an internal supply fail on me. Maybe that's not so funny. "The present-day composer refuses to die." Edgar Varese,1921 John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 17:19:56 +1000 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I like wall warts! Message-Id: <"140010:1*"@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I've got a slightly different take on wall warts... Because they're pretty much universal these days, I can buy gear overseas (usually in the US) at the cheapest possible price, ship it back home, replace the wall wart with one for local power (240V, 50Hz) and be up and going quickly and easily. This definitely beats either buying gear locally (I'm in Australia) for cost reasons, or buying gear with an integrated power supply and going through the hell of getting it changed to 240V 50Hz. I've got a huge big 240V to 110V transformer sitting under my studio desk, which powers all my gear that (a) I can't get converted for a reasonable price coz it doesn't have a wall wart, and (b) doesn't mind running at 50Hz. The transformer weighs a ton, probably constitutes a fire risk and is a huge pain to transport. If it was a totally wall wart world, I'd be much happier! To any of the equipment manufacturers listening out there: please don't change! Dave Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:44:25 -0700 From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Message-Id: <199706170651.XAA26717@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uhh... David, Did your message have a body or did you mean to say it all in the subject header? ---------- > From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: I like wall warts! > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 12:19 AM > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:56:08 -0800 From: fred marshall To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wart hooks, etc. Message-ID: <33A63505.30BF@fredmarshall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - yo ! - i read: " Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep the double-damned things plugged in." - try VELCRO . . . (tape) . . . obtainable @ local sewing/fabric place. - good luck . . . mmmmm - black max from loctite is even better and you don't have to keep pluggin them in . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:46:49 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Lumpy AC adapters Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I don't like them either but the alternative is power supplies and >fans to make floor and rack gear bigger and more expensive. I'd be happy to pay a little extra up front so that I wouldn't have to deal with the ongoing expense and headache of wall warts. Actually, I'd pay quite a bit more, but that's me. As far as space goes, big clunky wall warts and extra power strips are currently taking up a lot more of my space than rack gear with internal supplies which may be an inch or two deeper because of it. >Actually a lumpy supply saved a home computer of mine >(TI-99/4a early eighties with lumpy power supply) >Lighting hit the house and ran through the basement wiring. > Fried a mid 60's Zenith tube color TV (burned the chassis beyond >repair) >blew out some diodes on the black and white TV (used as computer screen) >the computer on same circuit was unharmed. Little lumpy survived also. >Replaced the diodes on the B&W and the whole rigs still works to >this day. (currently in a closet as I have two Macs. ) A power supply that passes the regulatory requiremnts enforced in most parts of the world should not have these problems. The charge from the lightning just gets shunted to ground or blows the fuse and never reaches the equipment. If you want more confidence, power strips with surge protection are pretty cheap. Wall warts will also protect you from lightning, but only because the cheap Chinese made transformer will blow up...;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:32:05 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:19 PM +1000 6/17/97, David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com wrote: >Because they're pretty much universal these days, I can buy gear overseas >(usually in the US) at the cheapest possible price, ship it back home, >replace the wall wart with one for local power (240V, 50Hz) and be up and >going quickly and easily. This definitely beats either buying gear locally >(I'm in Australia) for cost reasons, or buying gear with an integrated >power supply and going through the hell of getting it changed to 240V 50Hz. > >I've got a huge big 240V to 110V transformer sitting under my studio desk, >which powers all my gear that (a) I can't get converted for a reasonable >price coz it doesn't have a wall wart, and (b) doesn't mind running at >50Hz. The transformer weighs a ton, probably constitutes a fire risk and >is a huge pain to transport. > >If it was a totally wall wart world, I'd be much happier! > >To any of the equipment manufacturers listening out there: please don't >change! Well, a decently designed internal power supply can handle power conditions all over the world, with no trouble. You shouldn't have to be buying different wall warts and transformers and crap like that. We are talking about equipment designed for professional use, in fairly harsh conditions. Any manufacturer of music gear should expect that their equipment will travel around the world and endure a wide range of environmental conditions. If they respected the players using their equipment, they would design it to handle all these conditions reliably. It's not even hard! The echoplex supply was the first serious power supply design I did, and it works anywhere with pretty good reliability. It's not even that expensive. Believe me, it didn't take much skill to do that! The power supply is one of the most critical components in your gear, and most manufacturers give it the least amount of thought in the design process. The amazing thing is that musicians just accept it! Other professional industries would never allow the power supply to be such a weak link in the system. The music industry gets away with it because you let them! Do you really think the price is lower because it uses a wall wart? Don't be naive! They cut the parts cost, increase their profit margin, and charge you the same price they would have charged with an internal supply. Know why? Because most musicians don't pay attention to the power supply when buying gear! It's not a marketing issue, you'll buy it either way! If it needed 687 "C" batteries, you wouldn't know until you got it home! My cheap cd player has a decent internal supply, why should I accept that music gear costing hundreds or thousands of dollars more than that uses a wall wart? My rant for the week, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:43:09 +0100 From: "andrew" To: Cc: Subject: daemons all round my bed Message-Id: <199706171243.NAA06826@mail.bogo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies brethren, but I'm trying to figure out why my mail to the list doesn't get there. Kim suggested daemons don't like the word 'mail' in my address,so I've changed it to be something else. Pardon me, pard andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:30:22 -0400 From: "Jason N. Joseph" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: multilple loops w/ Jamman upgrade? Message-ID: <199706171030_MC2-189E-F91D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Pardon me if I'm being slow about the technicalities of the proposed Jamman upgrades, but when you mention having 4 loops going at once, that can be any speed, does that mean each one can be a different, not-necessarily-related-to-the- other-loops length? That is, can I, for example, have one loop with a periodicity of 3 seconds, another at say, 17, then one at 5 and another at 7? Pardon if I'm being repetitive here, but it is still one of my utmost desires to be able to do something along the lines of the early Eno and/or Fripp experiments with multiple tape machines running at different lenghts such that the end result is unpredictable ... I can do it by putting loops of different lengths onto my DA-88, but the result is then quite static. It'd be nice to be able to do it "live" with just a Jamman. Thanks for any help, Jason N. Joseph Comfortably Obscured Productions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:29:04 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:Jamup Grade,RE:Warts Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, >which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep >the double-damned things plugged in. In defense of them tho, if a power >supply goes out it's easy to replace, and I've had to, several times. The >funny thing is, I've never had an internal supply fail on me. Maybe that's >not so funny. The Furman strip I have has L-shaped metal strips that fit over the wart and then tighten with thumbscrews. Seems the best design I've seen yet. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lex PCM-80 Message-ID: <970617142610_-926457460@emout14.mail.aol.com> Anybody out there using this box as an occasional looping device? I understand that it's no plex or JM, but the looooooong stereo delays and sophisticated dynamic fx make it sound pretty impressive for a "sometimes" looping setup. Comments? Thanks David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:41:00 -0600 (CDT) From: Kevin Simonson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech Delays... Message-Id: <199706171941.AA278546460@eagle.uis.edu> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 584 Hello All... Does anyone know what the specs are for the various delays in the RDS series OTHER than the time machine and -8000 units? In particular, I am interested in the 900's, which I have heard possess a CV input. Any info? Anyone? While I'm at it, how about ANY older rack units with CV in? 'much appreciated... -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:55 -0700 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My rant for the week, > >kim The LoOpDoctOrs are in full agreement with this rant. Wall warts are a disgrace. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Message-ID: <970617184257_-695364620@emout13.mail.aol.com> Right on Kim! Now, how about gear that have no on/off switches. This totally peeves me. How much do manufacturers really save by eliminating this most essential piece of kit? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:20:53 -0700 From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: I like wall warts! Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB30B@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> Not to take the side of big business, but the logic behind excluding cheap but nonessential parts/features goes like this: If widget-X costs $1, then by not including it you make $1 per unit. At this point, we are generally inclined to say "Cheap bastards! Making $1 more on a $300 item!". However, from the manufacturers point of view, if he/she/they sell a million units, he/she/they will increase their profits by $1,000,000. The make or break point on this kind of feature inclusion/exclusion is: Will you buy it without the switch? The answer is generally "yes". As far as switches go, unless they include some kind of smart shut down circuitry (most don't need it), throwing the switch is the same as pulling the cord out of the wall. A good surge protector will generally have switch on it, if you use it, you only have to turn one thing off. > -----Original Message----- > From: BlkSwan03@aol.com [SMTP:BlkSwan03@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 3:49 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: I like wall warts! > > Right on Kim! Now, how about gear that have no on/off switches. This > totally peeves me. How much do manufacturers really save by > eliminating > this most essential piece of kit? > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:53:25 -0400 From: UFO WALTER To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: PCM-80 Message-ID: <199706171953_MC2-18B2-4560@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didnīt expect such a big range of new possibilities.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didnīt talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesnīt like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you donīt have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while youīre on stage.Keep it simple.Well itīs a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Message-ID: <970618011225_-993022146@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 6/15/97 12:38:54 PM, you wrote: <> Good title for the CD. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:40:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: multilple loops w/ Jamman upgrade? Message-Id: <9706181149.AA03138@beryllium.lexicon.com> Jason wrote: >Pardon me if I'm being slow about the technicalities of the >proposed Jamman upgrades, but when you mention having >4 loops going at once, that can be any speed, does that mean >each one can be a different, not-necessarily-related-to-the- >other-loops length? That is, can I, for example, have one loop >with a periodicity of 3 seconds, another at say, 17, then one at >5 and another at 7? Pardon if I'm being repetitive here, but it is >still one of my utmost desires to be able to do something along >the lines of the early Eno and/or Fripp experiments with multiple >tape machines running at different lenghts such that the end >result is unpredictable ... I can do it by putting loops of different >lengths onto my DA-88, but the result is then quite static. It'd be >nice to be able to do it "live" with just a Jamman. Yes. That is the intent. We're still working on the details but I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:01:20 -0400 From: UFO WALTER To: Everybody Subject: UfoĨs delight Message-ID: <199706180801_MC2-18B4-2B01@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didnīt expect such a big range of new possibilities.Check it out.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didnīt talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesnīt like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you donīt have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while youīre on stage.Keep it simple.Well itīs a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead -------------------- End Forwarded Message -------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:04:55 -0400 From: UFO WALTER To: everybody Subject: UfoĨs delight Message-ID: <199706180805_MC2-18B4-E484@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didnīt expect such a big range of new possibilities.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didnīt talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesnīt like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you donīt have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while youīre on stage.Keep it simple.Well itīs a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:19:23 +0100 From: Os To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: piano 507 Message-ID: <33A7E05B.2C67@millennium.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to have been introduced to this interesting-looking mailing list. Just thought I'd mention a CD that might be of interest: ext. night - david cunnigham (piano 507) http://webworlds.net/the-wilderness/piano/piano507.htm cheers, -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:28:34 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: IPS-33B Message-ID: <01BC7BEB.8778C060@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone used the Digitech IPS-33B Smart Shift as a looping device? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com --------------------------------