------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: gear..schmear [ sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) ] Re: Loop dynamics [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] Re: Recommended Recordings [ The Man Himself ] Re: recommedations [ David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton ] Re: Recommended Recordings [ Dan Howarth ] Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! [ Kim Flint ] Re: recommedations [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] Links to Ambient oriented stuff... [ David Kirkdorffer Dear Infinite Repeaters, Yes Kim! I agree, gear is not always fab. As a matter of fact their are only two kinds of gear: the kind you aready have, and the kind you can't afford. Decisions are made for fiscal not musical reasons by the manfacturer and musician alike. In the beginning ,a 32 second Jamman with a 2nd footswitch could be got for about 500$, while the Echoplex DP (52 sec+ per Malcomb at Oberheim) was 949$ . If you didn't have 949$ or had already purchased a Jamman it was quite a stretch to rationalize the means to obtain 20 more seconds and yet unrealized (by you) aspects of function. Every box that qualifies as a "looper" has a unique collection of electronic parameters that constitute it's construction, function, and interface reality. The difference between twisting a knob on a stompbox to modulate your captured "second' of sound and deciding where to insert a phrase in the midst of your 198 sec. orchestral wash, can be as radically different as the living circumstances of the box owners themseves. This "duality of the loop reality" coupled with the fun of looping as an international, but somehow secret, society make this list as viable as it is. The learned comments and future spyings of the industry folks who contribute to this list are important to honestly appreciate where the state of the art is in reationship to our "loop" desires. Every loop, from fractions of a second long on up, is unique, some even beautiful. Many are pieces of music that could not be easily ,if at all, replicated through an ensemble performance of like instruments, even given a compositional reference. The LD Webpage profiles suggest a 40 year range of ages in loopers and just as many styles of music being loopified. People with sizeable setups and studios, or folks with a box or two, trying to verify sightings from loopland and share stories of a musical reinvention. Sure sometimes it's alot of technical blahblah especially if you don't own the specific device in mention, but without the boxes we're at the point of playing music that may be constructed to resemble looping but will never equal it. Even multi-tracking, while strongly related, offers a truly different process and result than looping( I believe looping is good preparation for muti-tracking, and vica-versa). Popular music of all kinds is utiizing loop based sound production techniques on an increasing level, with arguably good and bad results musically , but as was the case with the synthesizer, slowly but surely introducing a sound texture to the point of acceptance by the pop audience, which learns to love every sampled "sound circle" with the same reverance once reserved for a Strat through a Marshall stack or any of the countless combinations of instrument and audio processing/recording tech- niques that have become this or that artists signature sound. There coudn't possibly be a more self-aware group of players musically in the world than loopers. Will a market driven interest for more advanced and affordable loop devices develop as with synths once?... will current manufactrers be able to improve their product line regardless of future sales prospects?....will the upgrades around the corner, fufill our exectations?....will loopers unite to organize regional performances,recordings or a global gathering?....will industry be interested enough to join such a gig?...the answer to these and other issues of loopness are likely to be found in only one place. As far as a new thread goes...here goes. I understand that David Singleton has taken some of R. Fripp's loops and transcribed them for choir. I know little else of his method, nor have I heard the result, but I'm curious if anyone else is evolving like projects, privately or otherwise. Me myself...I'm messing with acoustic piano loops and learning to Vortex a go-go in the midst of summer vacation with the wife and kids. Anyway........ Bryan Helm Still...Techno-Primitive Tantrum Boy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:54:25 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loop dynamics Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >It seems that there are two extremes: Pure repetition and pure chaos. As >loopists, we tend towards the pure repetition, but as it has been stated on >this list, this is static and tends to be boring. Many are repeating chaos. Is that a mixture in your sense? >The exciting part (for >me, anyways, is the introduction of a perturbation into pure repetition, >which propagates, and gives a dynamic or chaotic aspect to the music. For >me, Steve Reich was a master at this. He played with slight alterations, >especially in the melody, where he would develop a melody one note at a >time, and then disintegrate the melody one note at a time. Different >melodies would "rise and fall" in parallel, but with different start and >end points. "Music for 18 musicians" and "Music for mallet instruments" are >great examples of this. Often, I have played this music for people, and, >upon first glance, they think it to be repetitive and boring. On the >contrary, I love it because it is continually evolving. Each moment in >time is related to past and future moments, but it is not the same! Like history, repeating, sometimes even regularely (with the planets?) but never the same. >This is what I am trying to work towards. I am just now starting to >explore the possibilities of the NextLoop function on the Echoplex DP. Has >anyone experimented with loading a bunch of really similar loops in there, >then changing between them with Next Loop function, to give the impresssion >of movement, without a drastic change? Has anyone experimented with using >MIDI commands (perhaps driven by a sequencer) to switch between the loops? >Any startling revelations in this area? Also, anyone using interesting >tricks with the feedback pedal to introduce dynamics? If so, please >explain! Good hint! Maybe I was not able to use multiple loops so far, because I was searching for different parts like in compositions. I do long loops out of multiplied medium ones, and then alter each one of the repetition of the medium ones by adding notes or reducing feedback, sometimes even to zero, so that the long loop turns into a coming and going of a nearly repeating thing. Would that be dynamic loops? >(sorry if I reverted back to gear talk, kim...perhaps there is a "loop" >quality to our talks, as well. You did not. We are not talking about gear but about the use of it - very different for me! Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > One disc I like a lot, and have been meaning to recommend to this list, is > Ned Rothenburg and Paul Dresher's "Opposites Attract", on New Worlds Here's another recommendation for Paul Dresher's work. I saw him several times over the course of my high school years (maybe that explains a few things...!) and was (and remain) very impressed by his work. He was the first person I ever saw who was doing real-time looping of parts in order to build up multi-layered instrumental beds, and as mentioned, he was using modified or custom gear to do the things that we do today with the Big Three. I was particularly struck by a performance art piece he did with Rinde Eckert called _Slow Fire_, which features the aforementioned bits in sort of a Laurie Anderson-ish postmodernist vein (for lack of a less clinical description). --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > >In the dj spooky vein, I recently got Aphex Twin's new album, titled > >"Richard D. James Album." (that's his real name) > Yeah, I second that. I third that. Just when I was losing faith in the drum 'n bass realm, that disc piqued my interest. Sort of whimsical pseudo-classisist pieces with psychotic drum programming soloing through the whole thing. Not the most obviously loop-based disc, but definitely worth a listen. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > As far as electronica goes I've purchased > > The Orb - Orblivion > DJ Krush - Meiso > Chemical Brothers - (forgot the title but it's a very recent album, might > even be their current one). > > Please note I am not very knowledgeable in this field, having had a past > life as a guitar-strumming caveman who didn't think much of electronica. ^_^ Mmmm... I'm in the same boat. I guess we'd better hang up our axes, we're all anachronistic dinosaurs facing down our impending extinction at the hands of the sampler-wielding electronicists. (Or so they say...) I'm not gonna sell my guitar for a Roland Groove Box just yet, but I have been checking out some discs in this field myself. IN a nutshell... -- Underworld, _Dubnobasswithmyheadman_ and _Second Toughest In The Infants_. The second one is brilliant, almost a _Close To The Edge_ of techno; one of the most thoroughly musical electronica discs I've heard. But the first one, with the scary name, does very little for me, for some reason, and just doesn't rate on the same level at all, in my opinion. -- Spring Heel Jack, _68 Million Shades_. Love the first track, can't deal with the rest, for some reason. The stuff rarely seems to cohere into more than a collection of samples spliced together in various combinations on a computer; it lacks the musicality that I dig in the aforementioned Underworld album. And the much-vaunted jungle grooves rarely seem to cook up much of an actual groove, in spite of all the spastic frenzy. -- Lamb (self-titled). Any group that opens its album with a jungle tune in 7/4 gets instant points in my book. This is one of what appears to be a great many emerging programmer-plus-female-vocalist combos, but this is some of the best stuff I've heard come out of the genre. Groovier than SHJ, and more subversive and "intelligent" than Sneaker Pimps or Portishead. A few points off for some occasionally maudilin "oh-you've-done-me-wrong" heartbreak lyrics, though the musical onslaught often seems to function as an ironic contrast to that element. -- _Metalheadz Presents Platinum Breakz_. A compilation of jungle artists from Godlie's label. I *really* dislike most of the stuff on here; can't exactly put my finger on why, except to say that most of the guys on here seem intent on milking some half-baked ideas for way too long. Someone here who's better attuned to this stuff, please tell me what I'm missing. (The Photek tune is good, though). --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:15:01 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-Id: <6672.199706200815@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >One disc I like a lot, and have been meaning to recommend to this list, is >Ned Rothenburg and Paul Dresher's "Opposites Attract", .... > This record was recorded over several years, it started as a duet >project with both of them using a custom 4 track tape looping system >designed by Dresher. Wow! looping for several years - that's dedication! Were they actually playing the whole time, or did they leave the loop running whilst they slept? :) :) I'm listening to The Durutti Column's "Sex & Death" - I don't know if Vini Reilly's looping per se but his works manage to provide such an ambient feel from a Strat and Roland Space Echo that it may be worth a listen for inspiration. Personally, I think it's phenomenal. He also has a guitar/violin duet - my favourite instrument combination. Aside from KC and Ultravox, are there any other guitar/violin groupings out there in this vein? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:21:42 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: StQuadV2,RDS4000,more Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi folks, i'd like to sell the following gear... Digitech Studio Quad (w/software V.2) six months old: $350 Digitech RDS 4000 digital delay: $100 MidiMan FineTunePro (digital tuner, single space): $100 Juicegoose powerstrip & SKB six-space rack: $100 i'd really like to move the above stuff; the latter three more than the first. Morley wah/volume pedal: $35 Crate BX200 bass preamp/poweramp, Crate 2x12, Carvin 1x15: all for $300 you pay shipping, all available at best offer. i'd like to cash these in order to scale down my rig (size, complexity) and purchase a single footpedal unit (digitech rp-**?). please reply to my address in order to avoid cluttering the list. thanks. **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:22:21 +0100 From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: recommedations Message-ID: <0004A6A8.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The LOopDoctOrs' discussion of their meeting with a harpist reminded me of the CD "Stanze" (BMG Ricordi 74321 45464 2) composed by LUDOVICO EINAUDI, and performed by Cecilia Chailly on the harp. I'm not sure how `electrified' her harp is, although there does seem to be a great deal of processing taking place - extremely long reverb tails for eg. The over all effect - unintentionally I'm sure - is similar to Michael Hedges, especially (no surprise this) his harp guitar tunes. Very gentle and melodic without slipping into New Ageism. The only electric harp played I've heard (and I cant remember his name but he tours shopping centres throughout the UK) still sounded very harp-like even through a rack of effects, so I dont think there's be a homogenising impact, although I understand the DoctOrs' concerns - a bit like the early 70's when everyone/thing went through wah wah pedals?! David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:26:13 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i know this way off of what y'all were talking about, but i was wandering through the grocery store and noticed 311 on the cover of a new guitar player or something; i read a bit of it and found out that they're actually interested in "exploring" - fine strides from a mellow funk metal rap band from omaha. one guitarist is said to be using a GR30 to trigger an Akai 3000? which also feeds another Roland sound module (JVsomething). the other guitarist talked a lot about vintage fx boxes, etc. still, i'm looking forward to their interpretations of "exploring" - it'll be interesting to see where pop front is going, and how well they're going to begin incorporating our toys. :) **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:10:16 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:49 PM -0700 6/19/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Thanks for your help, James... > >The 'plex is fine with the old memory in it, but we find it HIGHLY curious >that all four simms were bad. > >Might it not be as simple as "any old 30 pinn > then 120 nano second Simm >will work? We're trying out a three chip simm next. This will cost us $16 >more dollars, but will hopefully get our looper memory enriched. > >Best, >the LoOpDoctOrs Ah, before we go starting a new echoplex rumor and giving me the opportunity to explain repeatedly some other bit of technical minutiae to strangers for several more years of my life, allow me to step in..... In my experience, the echoplex's "simm tolerance" is actually amazingly good. Much better than most computers that I have used. That is why I suspect your simms. My experience has also taught me that simms may all look very similar, but their quality and performance can be all over the place.... And it may not be that all of them are bad. If they are all installed, only one has to be bad to screw things up. That's why you should try swapping in two at a time to try to isolate that. good luck, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:05:08 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: recommedations Message-Id: <11624.199706201205@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David from Down South said: > The only electric harp played I've heard (and I cant remember his name > but he tours shopping centres throughout the UK) still sounded very > harp-like even through a rack of effects, so I dont think there's be a > homogenising impact, although I understand the DoctOrs' concerns - a > bit like the early 70's when everyone/thing went through wah wah > pedals?! I've heard an electric harp duo - one gut-strung acoustic, one steel-string electric - in Glasgow. They're called Sileas, their homepage is http://www.fb15.uni-dortmund.de/voelker/poozies/sileas.html If you're into interlocking, very tight patterns (a bit like RF) and Celtic music check them out. They are very good. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:45:29 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Links to Ambient oriented stuff... Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F047D9E@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain Good to be reading about non-gear related topics (this from a likely offender..). Let me add a new thread to our tapestry. Here are a few very cool web-sites for musicians and ambio-loop junkies... Possibly the best ambient record label I'm aware of: http://www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/fax/ THE ELECTRONIC EXPERIMENTAL INDUSTRIAL DJ LIST (part 1) (6/17/96) This list is a resource for DJs and BANDS that play ELECTRONIC/ EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC (including ambient, techno, performance art, goth, noise, & anything remotely chatagorized as INDUSTIAL MUSIC), and people who just want to tune in and find the scene in their area. http://bird.taponline.com/~smishra/djlist The "Ever Expanding Web Music Listing!" Ambient/Techno/Trance/Rave Web Sites - the new wave of electronic music - http://woof.music.columbia.edu/~hauben/music/electronic.html A site for Ambient Style http://www.caipirinha.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:04:33 -0400 From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop influencing Music: And here's a few top 10 listings of ambie nt music. Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F047DAD@mail.exapps.com> Content-Type: text/plain As we know, there are lots of loops in ambient music, so here a few Top 10 listings of ambient music. If one of these names is new to you, maybe seeing if on three different top ten lists is a good recommendation? I'll be checking out Erik Satie, as I've always discribed my music as a theater set. Kinda like a stage with furniture on it in which the listener is invited to create their own story by choosing to notice whichever musical elements they care to use. I found these at http://www.fog.com/~erich/HA/index.html David Kirkdorffer I suppose we all have top ten lists in the end. These are the ten pieces/ albums which I consider to be fundamental works in ambient soundscapes. (I tried to list them chronologically) 1.Erik Satie, Musique de ameublement (Furniture Music) 2.John Cage, Imaginary Landscapes #1 3.John Cage, 4:33 4.Tangerine Dream, Electronic Meditation 5.Steve Hillage, Rainbow Dome Muzik 6.Brian Eno, Music for Airports & Music for Films 7.The Orb, Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld 8.Mixmaster Morris, Flying High 9.Aphex Twin, Selected Ambient Works I&II 10.Pete Namlook, Air I&II ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *#1 Here's a list from ambient@umich.edu 1.Music to Films/ FAX 2.Briano Eno/ Thursday Afternoon/ EG 3.Mission into Drums/ Planet Earth 4.Soul Whirling Somewhere/ Eating The Sea/ Projekt 5.Aphex Twin/ Sel. Amb. Works Vol.2/ Sire/Warner 6.Silence/ Omid/Hope/ FAX 7.Vapour Space 8.Vidna Obmana/ Projekt 9.Banco De Gaia/ Sheesha/ Beyond 10.2350 Broadway/ 2/ FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *#2 Here's a list from aedCCS@hamp.hampshire.edu 1.Terre Thaemlitz: Tranquilizer 2.Air I & II 3.Silence I & II (esp. II) 4.Muslimgauze: Blue Mosque 5.Robert Fripp/Brian Eno: Evening Star 6.Jon Hassell/Brian Eno: Fourth World Vol. 1 - Possible Musics 7.Harold Budd/Brian Eno: The Plateaux of Mirror 8.Brian Eno: Music For Films 9.Tangerine Dream: Ricochet 10.Psychic T.V. - Kondole 1,2, & 3 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 1997 10:56:41 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: FS: Vortex $125 Message-ID: from Harmony Central: Lexicon Vortex Processor $125 Asking Price: US$125 Condition: Mint Age: 10 months Description: Lexicon Vortex effects processor. Like new. Footswitch. $125.00 Seller: david mason, E-mail: david@sonicsys.com Location: SUNNYVALE, CA Post Date: 6/18/97 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Message-Id: <199706201718.KAA23946@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i know this way off of what y'all were talking about, but i was wandering > through the grocery store and noticed 311 on the cover of a new guitar > player or something; i read a bit of it and found out that they're > actually interested in "exploring" - fine strides from a mellow funk metal > rap band from omaha. one guitarist is said to be using a GR30 to trigger > an Akai 3000? which also feeds another Roland sound module (JVsomething). > the other guitarist talked a lot about vintage fx boxes, etc. > still, i'm looking forward to their interpretations of "exploring" - it'll > be interesting to see where pop front is going, and how well they're going > to begin incorporating our toys. :) Recent Guitar Player issues seem to indicate more and more guitarists are becoming interested in exploring ambient music. The appearance of David Torn's looping article was very well timed. ^_^ Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:31:21 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lamelophones Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am actually playing loops daily with Bira Reis and he uses M'bira a lot and it works great! He keeps showing me books, pictures and original Lamelophones (this is the scientific name, include the localy named M'bira, Calimba, Sanza, Kissange...). The class is called like "digitized Idiophones". An impressive variation in material, size and use. Some have a gourd as resonator. Yesterday (!) he appeared with a italian pianist who plays and collects these instruments, too, and we looped them all. :-0 Impressive how strongly Lamelophones suggest loop music by the sound, the manipulation, I dont know, I just see anyone grabing them soon fall into some slightly changing pattern. Bira sais they were made for long distance walks! >I have made several mbiras over the years, amplifying some with piezo >pickups. My favorite Mbira lately has been one I made with bamboo keys. >The bamboo was a suggestion from Matthias. (thanks again Matthias!) I'm >currently working on a tandem model for two facing players. Oh, thats not me, bambo is strongly present. It seams all Lamelophones usualy are played by the thumbs. But I have a friend in Rio, Chandra, who plays them incredibly with four fingers! The instrument is not very ergonomical, due to the accoustic needs (yes they had that problem before "gear" came up!) I think it could be improved a lot once its picked up by a bridge piezo pick up. Is that what you used, Preston? Coincidentally, today I will receive the first prototype of a bridge to mount piezos in a traditional Kalimba. This is a 3 years old dream. Nothing really complicated, but until you find a mechanics and the tool... you know. Once everyone hears that the sound is fuller when solid body, we can create new forms of the instrument, add weight near the end of the laminas to create bass notes, arrange the laminas in a way that all fingers can get involved in a relaxed position. I see the surfaces for the two hands separate and angled... here I need pen and paper and sit together... ... I hope so far you got the message about the very oldest loop instrument that can become the most modern and handy one! Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:03:55 -0700 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim: On the bad simm trail...We tried swapping and recombining and re-pairing the little green buggers, in a DNA/amoeba like way, or thought of differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. Didn't work. These simms were definitly not of the recombient ilk. We do take your caveat about "one being" bad making the rest of the 'plex go bonkers seriously, because the 'plex was definitly acting like it had inhaled too much car exhaust. Rumor mongering? Not our intent. The LoOpDoctOrs "soul" purpose in life is to explicate the content of the universe. But we do appreciate and admire your ever supportive and highly intelligent feedback. You are a gift to us all. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs --------------------------------