------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Re: The LOopDoctOrs calm down... [ Kim Flint ] RE: jam man questions [ Kim Flint ] re:jamman unlimited loop memory tric [ Kim Flint ] question (fwd) [ Dan Howarth ] Re: gear schmear, music is best --> [ Kim Flint ] Ground Control [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ] Re: Ground Control [ John Michael Beard ] Re: Ground Control [ efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) ] Jam Man Upgrade [ VanEyck ] Ground Control with Echoplex [ future perfect ] Music is best, indeed [ Pete Koniuto ] Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The LOopDoctOrs calm down... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:44 AM -0700 6/19/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Incidentally, now that I have the thing open, I am going to attempt the pin >cut mod and the gain mod. Do you have any favorite tools for the pin cut >mod? I notice the #5 pin is a very tight squeeze. good pair of electronics cutters? x-acto knife? I'm probably not a good person to ask, not being an electronics tech. When I go in the lab these days, technicians go out of their way to help me with soldering and what not. It's not so much cause I'm a nice guy and they want to help, but because it's a lot less work to do it for me upfront than fix everything I break later...;-) >And are you simply desoldering and resoldering the resistors to modify the >gain, or are you clipping them out and then soldering in? The right way would involve removing the pcb, desoldering, etc. That's a pain, so the way I would do it is to apply the iron to the lead on the top side of the board, and yank it out with a needle nose when the solder melts. (same with the other lead) Then I'd stick in the new resistor and solder it from the top. The holes are plated through, and usually there's enough of the plating exposed to get the heat on it. clipping them out seems like a bad method, because the little bit of metal left in there is likely to fall through and bang around inside forever. Again, I'm probably not the best source of advice on such matters..... > >Best, >Kevin ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:27:47 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jam man questions Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:51 AM -0400 6/16/97, Sellon, Bob wrote: >As a side note, the output of the JamMan was specially designed with >sufficient drive capability to power 600 ohm headphones for private >looping. This feature was not listed on the web site or the A-B >comparisons with other products. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec Hey that's interesting. Any jamman features like that you (or Jon, or Greg, or anyone else) want to add to the jamman/echoplex comparison on the web page, please let me know. That sheet is sort of biased, since Matthias and I wrote it. It serves a nice purpose in minimizing the number of times we have to answer the "what's the difference between the echoplex and jamman?" question. I guess it would be nice to include all the other loop devices out there in the comparison page as well. Anyone feeling up to a project like that? I have no time for it at all, but I think it would be very useful to people. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:43:38 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This guy sent me a jamman trick, some of you may be interested.... kim >>From kflint Sun Jun 8 07:19:54 1997 >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:18:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick > >i didnot see anything on the site about this so here it goes.... >use a midi sequencer to send a patch change at a specific tempo at the >beginning and end of your midi measures as defined on the jamman...use >phrased loops...so you know now how many measures it lasts and the >tempo..record yer loops and when you start to run out of space regarding >jamman memory then you simply record a loop that you are happy with to the >computer and then record over that loop# in the jamman for your extended loop >time....repeat add nauseum ....i use cakewalk so it is very easy(if you know >the tempo) to move the loops around in any order..you can now record as many >loops as you like for a song and not be limited to midi loop size(you can >vary the loop size while keeping the tempo the same=mixing 4 midi beat loops >with 3 beat loops at the same tempo with seemless operation if you wish or >any other combination)and you will have unlimited buse of the jamman >memory!!! > >lemme know whacha think, >Reeve > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:35:46 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: question (fwd) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey folks, i received this the other day and am quite clueless. anybody? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:11:56 +0200 From: Laurent & Sophie Martinez To: howarth@u.arizona.edu Subject: Hiya looper ! Hello from Nice, French Riviera ! My cousin is a percussions player. He have no access to Internet. He uses my Email to write to you the following letter. I translated it from french, so I apologize in advance for my english that is not as good as I would want ! (c; If you ever want to answer his question, use my email : lofie@worldnet.fr Thanx for him ! ------------ What a good surprise it was to find the Looper's Delight Site ! It gave me hope in what I'm trying to do. Here is what I wanna do, I wish you'll be able to help me. In January 96, I bought the KORG WaveDrum which is a wonderfull electronic percussion instrument. Now, I need to be able to use the WaveDrum to get, in real time, rhythm loops that I'd like to add or to superpose the one on the other in order to perform musical sets for an audience. I already did it using the Cubase music software on a computer. But that needs too much handling. So I just bought a JAMMAN which I save loops with, then I use an OBERHEIM to change the features of the loops (LFO, CutOff, ...etc). My problem is that I can't (or don't know how to) part each loop that I saved and modify the features (LFO, CutOff...etc) of each one separately. Could you help me in any way ? Thanx a lot in advance ! Remy HULNE ------------------ Laurent MARTINEZ for Remy HULNE ==================================== lofie@worldnet.fr http://www.worldnet.fr/~lofie/ ==================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:19:40 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best --> Loop dynamics Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:16 AM -0800 6/19/97, Chris Chovit wrote: >This is what I am trying to work towards. I am just now starting to >explore the possibilities of the NextLoop function on the Echoplex DP. Has >anyone experimented with loading a bunch of really similar loops in there, >then changing between them with Next Loop function, to give the impresssion >of movement, without a drastic change? Has anyone experimented with using >MIDI commands (perhaps driven by a sequencer) to switch between the loops? >Any startling revelations in this area? Also, anyone using interesting >tricks with the feedback pedal to introduce dynamics? If so, please >explain! > > >(sorry if I reverted back to gear talk, kim...perhaps there is a "loop" >quality to our talks, as well. > >Chris Like Matthias said, discussions about how we create the music is not quite the same (or as dull) as talking about gear features ad nauseum.... One thing I like to do with multiple loops is pretty much what you are talking about. I record something simple in the first loop. Then I'll copy that one to Loop 2, and add something to it there. I might go back to loop 1 for a while, then copy it to loop 3 and add something different. Repeat as desired.... Since the copying happens in real time, and you can overdub new things as you do it, the performance is not interupted at all. It's essentially multiplying, but in a new loop. Moving between the loops then has a nice effect, because they are all related by the common base, but have different overdubs and other manipulations. And it is nice when you have a dense loop built up, to sometimes return immediately to it's simple beginning. And maybe back again, or whatever. It's really easy to control this, so it's a nice way to keep a loop changing in the background while you are improvising something over it. You can definitely create a more "composed" feeling to your loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground Control Message-ID: <970622065611_-1643938988@emout06.mail.aol.com> I just purchased a Digi. Music Corp. "Ground Control" to control my rack set up which consists of a Digitech 2101, Digitech RDS 8000, Lexicon Jamman, and a Mackie 1202VLZ mixer. I had been controlling the 2101 and Jman (midi fade messages) via a Dgitech Control One Footcontroller but was experiencing some pops etc. when initiating a loop fade while in record mode in the Jman. I figured this had something to do with the midi message being relayed (?-not sure if this is technically correct but...) through the 2101 so I aquired the Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the message-ie: three vertical lights on display. I have the Ground Control midi out into the 2101 midi in and to the Jman via the 2101 midi through. The 2101 is configured, in the Ground Control, as device 1 and the Jman as device 2. Also the version # of the Ground Control is 2.3-is this the most current? I purchased the unit at a music store that was going out of business and the sales guy didn't know if it was or not-just currious. Other than that everything works fine. Ideas? Thanks--Paul (Mindscape Explorer) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:37:46 -0500 From: John Michael Beard To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970622153746.00683710@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:56 AM 6/22/97 -0400, you wrote: I aquired the >Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far >as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that >when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to >the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the >message-ie: three vertical lights on display. You need the EEPROM update chip from Digital Music Corp {sorry I don't have the address here}. It's about $20 and allows the same patch change to be sent twice from the same GC switch. It also gives you a couple of new options with the GC... altho I haven't found them useful. I thought it was cool that they specifically mention the Jamman in the upgrade blurb. By the way, the chip is very easy to change, so certainly don't pay someone to change it even if you have no experience with electronics. Just use reasonable care pulling out the old chip... use a small screwdriver to gently pry it up. "Where the artists keep free no other sort or condition of man long remains bounds." --Horace Meyer Kallen John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recently purchased the Ground Control upgrade which is version 2.4; probably the most current. Their number is 818-991-3881; I've found them very helpful in the past. dan ---------------- "we need new instruments very badly..." Edgar Varese ---------------- On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > I just purchased a Digi. Music Corp. "Ground Control" to control my rack set > up which consists of a Digitech 2101, Digitech RDS 8000, Lexicon Jamman, and > a Mackie 1202VLZ mixer. I had been controlling the 2101 and Jman (midi fade > messages) via a Dgitech Control One Footcontroller but was experiencing some > pops etc. when initiating a loop fade while in record mode in the Jman. I > figured this had something to do with the midi message being relayed (?-not > sure if this is technically correct but...) through the 2101 so I aquired the > Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far > as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that > when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to > the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the > message-ie: three vertical lights on display. I have the Ground Control midi > out into the 2101 midi in and to the Jman via the 2101 midi through. The 2101 > is configured, in the Ground Control, as device 1 and the Jman as device 2. > Also the version # of the Ground Control is 2.3-is this the most current? I > purchased the unit at a music store that was going out of business and the > sales guy didn't know if it was or not-just currious. Other than that > everything works fine. Ideas? Thanks--Paul (Mindscape Explorer) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:21:42 +0100 From: "andrew taylor" To: Subject: akai s20 phrase sampler Message-Id: <199706231925.UAA11771@mail.bogo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Kim mentioned this a while ago, I've been reading a review of it and it sounds interesting. Starts off with 1mb of memory, upgradeable (with SIMMS) to 17mb. You get - 1Mb,32khz 7sec stereo,14 mono 1mb,16khz 14secs stereo,28s mono 17mb,32khz 131s stereo,262s mono 17mb,16khz 262s stereo,524s mono. Stereo input of line level phono plugs, 1/4 inch phone socket Price is UK499.00 Sorry I can't write up all the features for you, just thought I'd send in the memory details to get you thinking. A full review appears in July's SOUND ON SOUND magazine. Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:20:07 -0800 From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I recently purchased the Ground Control upgrade which is version 2.4; >probably the most current. Their number is 818-991-3881; I've found them >very helpful in the past. Ditto! I've also had great exp. with these guys. They built me a custom 9v distribution supply & modified my old boxes with 9v jacks. No more batteries!!!!!!!!! I have the most current software, & it also allows you to control more than one GCX (the rackmount efx loop companion) with it. I'd be lost without them. I use the Ground Control & two GCX's to bring footpedals (on a tray in my rack) in and out of the signal path, to switch between two amps/preamps, to change channels on those preamps, and to send midi program change info & C.C. info. Paul, in the Ground Control setup for C.C.'s it asks you to show it min. & max. value's of the pedal:i.e turn the pedal down & turn it up. You probobly did that but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Best of luck . Loop on brothers & sisters - Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Upgrade Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Just a note to anyone who has recently purchased the upgrade chips for a Jam Man via mail order.... Can you forward the phone # of the place you ordered them from? How much was the kit? What brand name / part # were they? Apologies, I know this has been discussed previously but I only recently acquired the unit and didn't save the information last time around. Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:11:36 -0400 From: future perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-ID: <33AFE3A8.D0DFB816@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Music is best, indeed Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Great recommendations all around! It's amazing, when one thinks about it for just a few moments, just how wide the variety of loop-based music there is out there, from Palestrina to Satie to David Torn. Since being on this list, reading other folks' personal techniques and perspectives on other music out there, i find my own ear has matured significantly. I now tend to hear the fundamentals hashed out in great detail here in music i've been listening to for years, but never quite picked up on the magic of it--"why does this piece have so much impact for me?" I'm just now beginning to answer that question for myself a little more often, yet it doesn't steal the magic from me. A Cheshire grin finds its way to my lips; it's a wonderful awakening. Here are a few of my own recommends: --Anything by Moondog, anything. (Especially for you looping percussionists out there!) --Nearly anything by Brian Eno. Interestingly enough, though i am not a big U2 fan, i found the Passengers album (Eno, members of U2, Pavarotti, et al.) quite intriguing with each listen. A new addition to my Having-Fun-With-Eno collection. --JESUS' BLOOD NEVER FAILED ME YET, the Gavin Bryars Ensemble with Tom Waits. I believe this has been mentioned on the list before, so i won't go into describing it. Very surreal loopage. None of the Big Three used on this record. --POLYTOWN. Stating the obvious, i know, but i was there during the sessions, so it's close to my heart. --SLINGBLADE soundtrack, Daniel Lanois. Using the Boomerang on this one quite a bit, i believe, and the man just knows how to get great tone out of his instrument. Likely to hear much more loopage and instrumental work on his upcoming solo release, which i hear is due out this fall. --BIRDY soundtrack, Peter Gabriel with D. Lanois. Don't know what they were using for loopage back when this was done, but it's a beautiful record. --TOLERANCE FOR AMBIGUITY, Caryn Lin. Many of you probably already know this one, since the owner of Alchemy Records is on this list. If you don't, maybe you should. Not exactly electronica, but superb musicianship with nice production work by David Torn. Caryn's definitely got something unique about her, and i took to her music immediately. (Who else would appear both on that public radio show, "Echoes", and at the Finger Lakes Grass Roots Festival in up-state New York?) She's a trip live especially (seen her 3 times so far). For those in my area (Boston), i know she'll be performing at Johnny D.'s in Davis Square on 1 July for like a five dollar cover or something. 8:30p i think is showtime. I'll be there. (Last time i saw her, she had a jamdude and a plex in her rack.) --They'll probably be too bashful to plug their own stuff, so check out Robby Aceto's record and both of Jon Durant's records, all on Alchemy. (Yo Jon, what the hell were you doing behind a desk all those years, anyway?!? Practicing your chops between meetings?) I hope i get to hear at least of these guys live sometime soon. Great stuff from both of them! Very original loopage. Off the top of my head. I'll post more as i think of them and when my boss stops giving me dirty looks. (I have noticeably better posture when Looper's Delight is involved than when doing my own work. Go figure.) Keep the recommends coming! Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3753 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: <199706242019.NAA11278@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, > most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a > Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal Kim, perhaps it would be a good idea to add descriptions about recommended MIDI control pedals to the Tools Of The Trade section of the Loopers Delight website. 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