------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ Dan Trueman ] Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ Kim Flint ] Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ Kim Flint ] Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ Kim Flint ] Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hu ] gig [ Dan Howarth ] Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: M [ mgsam@wave.net ] Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: M [ Michael Hughes ] Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music [ Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.C ] Ground Control with Echoplex [ "Matt McCabe" ] Music is best, indeed [ "Matt McCabe" ] Midi Fade on Jam Man [ VanEyck ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, actually the most recent version of the GC DOES treat switches as momentary. This was my only gripe with the pedal. Now I think it is a wonderful pedal, with it's flexibility of programming and solid construction, and I use it with a whole array of different devices. Perhaps the problem is not the GC, but, dare I say, the Echoplex... Cheers! dan ---------------- "we need new instruments very badly..." Edgar Varese ---------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the > echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous > controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even > treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple > patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, > most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a > Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal > tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to > do for use with the plex. > > Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've > considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to > work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited > interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the > echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed > with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by > using program change messages for something other than changing programs, > which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to > change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing > combo..... > > amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this > pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit > stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the > ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see > what I mean real quick. > > kim > > > >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... > >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground > >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? > >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. > >Dave > >********************************************************************* > >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: > >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 > >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:26:27 -0700 From: Joe Cavaleri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrade Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970624232627.0069efe8@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Tervor, Company info: VisonSoft (800)735-2633 Homepage: http//www.visionsoft.com Price for 4 chips 9.95ea plus shipping, and sales tax. For California total price is 50.19. I just installed the upgrade last night. Chips seem to work fine. I requested the MICRON part number listed in the Jamman manual. Sorry I don't remember it at the momment. Hope this info helps, All the best joe At 11:13 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > Hi, > > Just a note to anyone who has recently purchased the upgrade chips >for a Jam Man via mail order.... > > Can you forward the phone # of the place you ordered them from? > > How much was the kit? > > What brand name / part # were they? > > Apologies, I know this has been discussed previously but I only >recently acquired the unit and didn't save the information last time >around. > > Thanks, > > TREVOR. > VanEyck@interlog.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 19:40:22 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Gear and music in the same letter!!! Message-Id: <9706248671.AA867199264@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo to all. I got some questions.... I have some sort of cheap-o chorus pedal that kinda looks like an old Boss, but its not. Anyway, to power all my pedals, I have a Boss AC adaptor I cut up and added three more male plug thingies to. It works fine except for my chorus pedal makes this clicky humming noise. None of the other pedals do this. When I lower the volume with my guitar's volume knob, the noise goes away. So I'm assuming that it has something to do with my guitar. But none of the other pedals do this! ANd it even hums whith batteries in it. Can anyone help? On the subject of music........ Velvet Underground/Nico --- "It was Pleasure Then" This is a real great song. Kinda pre-ambient ambient type song. Real creepy/beatiful vocals from Nico. Great ambient noises from Lou Reed's guitar and John Cale's viola. This song makes me feel like crying sometimes. Great chill out tune. Morphine --- Has nothing to do with looping, but a real awesome band. Real inspirational to me!! Moody "low rock". Charlie Hunter Quartet --- Again, nothing to do with looping. The most awesome thing I have ever seen. You know, come to think of it, I really don't listen to much loop oriented music at all. Oh well. Jay or Boris mmason@faulkcomp.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:51:01 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970625015101.00913e14@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:49 PM 6/24/97 -0400, Dan Trueman wrote: >Well, actually the most recent version of the GC DOES treat switches as >momentary. This was my only gripe with the pedal. Now I think it is a >wonderful pedal, with it's flexibility of programming and solid >construction, and I use it with a whole array of different devices. >Perhaps the problem is not the GC, but, dare I say, the Echoplex... My understanding of the latest ground control software is that it does not treat the switches as momentary. As I understand it, this version only removes a "feature" where the pedal would not allow you to send the same program change message twice in a row. In the case of the Jamman, this meant you could start recording, but not stop. If I'm wrong about that and they have an even newer version, I'd like to know! Momentary means the ability to send one midi string when the switch is pressed and a second string when the pedal is released. That way, the length of time that the pedal is pressed can be used as part of the control interface. This sustained press turns out to be a very intuitve gesture, and has been employed in musical instruments for many centuries. As far as loopers go, both the Boomerang and the Echoplex take advantage of this. The Echoplex's interface has been very carefully designed and developed to give the player the maximum amount of control in the most intuitive way, while only using a minimal amount of switches and hardware. It is an instrument that you play, not a passive device that you change a patch on between songs. Matthias' design is really quite ingenious, and I for one find it very musically useful and intuitive. How could this be a problem? For me it is a welcome change in an industry mostly driven by conformity. I think it would be a shame to severely limit this musical quality by forcing it into an interface that is remarkably short-sighted in it's design, not to mention the ethical issues of violating an industry standard to do it! If all you need to do is send the occasional patch change to your effects device, and maybe control a parameter with an expression pedal, you are right, the ground control is fine and probably makes and excellent choice for many applications. As soon as you want to do something more "sophisticated", like sending midi notes or sysex or any other midi message other than program change, you are out of luck with the GC pedal. And the lack of a midi in jack, which eliminates all possibility of restoring backed up data, implies that the ground control was not designed with professional touring in mind. My problem with ground control is not the pedal itself. It is simple, rugged, and appears to do what it sets out to do. My problem is the market image the pedal has of being the most powerful and capable pedal available, which it isn't. hmmm, looks like this qualifies as this week's rant..... :-) Damn, I was really trying not to talk about gear....I didn't even last a week! >---------------- >"we need new instruments very badly..." >Edgar Varese >---------------- Indeed we do! kim > > >On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > >> The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the >> echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous >> controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even >> treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple >> patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, >> most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a >> Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal >> tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to >> do for use with the plex. >> >> Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've >> considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to >> work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited >> interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the >> echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed >> with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by >> using program change messages for something other than changing programs, >> which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to >> change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing >> combo..... >> >> amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this >> pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit >> stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the >> ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see >> what I mean real quick. >> >> kim >> >> >> >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >> >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >> >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >> >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >> >Dave >> >********************************************************************* >> >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >> >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >> >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:59:31 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to do for use with the plex. Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by using program change messages for something other than changing programs, which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing combo..... amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see what I mean real quick. kim >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >Dave >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:01:16 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to do for use with the plex. Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by using program change messages for something other than changing programs, which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing combo..... amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see what I mean real quick. kim >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >Dave >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:01:08 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Message-Id: <8778.199706250701@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pete: >--They'll probably be too bashful to plug their own stuff, so > check out Robby Aceto's record and both of Jon Durant's > records, all on Alchemy. (Yo Jon, what the hell were > you doing behind a desk all those years, anyway?!? > Practicing your chops between meetings?) I hope i get > to hear at least of these guys live sometime soon. > Great stuff from both of them! Very original loopage. THo' they aren't ""official" releases in the Jon/Robby sense, I'd really recommend work by or very own Matthias and Bryan. I've one of Matthias' albums which is direct, moving music which wouldn't be out of place on a film soundtrack. His looping is very discrete, - you don't really notice it's there, though it's always going on, and the album includes some of the most moving passages I've ever heard. Guitarists - this man is not only a gifted player, his distorted-hex-piezo tone is incredible! File under "NOT new age"! Plus on the cover you get to see Matthias' feet! Bryan's work is far more cerebral, more "ambient" in the traditional sense - his collection across the spectrum of his work sound like a history of the synthesiser! The man's been doing this for a _long_ time - and it shows! He is a great keyboard player - there's some wonderful honky-tonk playing here. His latestwork includes some wonderful, evolving piano peices - utterly meditiative yet givig a real focus for the attention. Whatever you do, make sure you listen to "Sleep It Off" - in which Bryan croons like a new-age Tony Bennett! Wow! This isn't intended as full reviews, just a reminder that we have some of the finest loopers around, right here!! Book me in for the LD CD... speaking of which...? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:55:24 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: gig Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi folks, had a great gig tonight with my band, Lila. we played a tucson bar of about fifty people. had a lot of fun - blew the closing band away. :) scary thing... the other night, my friend's dog knocked my rack over. yep. onto the floor. i didn't get around to plugging it back in until the gig - and what do you know, my studio quad didn't work. luckily i had the right size hex nut driver (those things are weird!) with me and a philips... sat down at the bar and pulled it apart. it turns out that the EPROM chip popped out of its socket upon impact. since i'd done this before (i put the upgrade chip in a while back) i had no trouble putting it back together. really proud of myself. :) but anyhoo. we're playing quite a bit in tucson, and will hopefully be spreading to phoenix soon. if you're ever around, drop me a line. we'll have a second recording available by the end of the summer. ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:56:31 -0700 From: mgsam@wave.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So where do we get these albums? >THo' they aren't ""official" releases in the Jon/Robby sense, I'd really >recommend work by or very own Matthias and Bryan. I've one of Matthias' >albums which is direct, moving music which wouldn't be out of place on a >film soundtrack. His looping is very discrete, - you don't really notice >it's there, though it's always going on, and the album includes some of the >most moving passages I've ever heard. Guitarists - this man is not only a >gifted player, his distorted-hex-piezo tone is incredible! File under "NOT >new age"! Plus on the cover you get to see Matthias' feet! > >Bryan's work is far more cerebral, more "ambient" in the traditional sense >- his collection across the spectrum of his work sound like a history of >the synthesiser! The man's been doing this for a _long_ time - and it >shows! He is a great keyboard player - there's some wonderful honky-tonk >playing here. His latestwork includes some wonderful, evolving piano >peices - utterly meditiative yet givig a real focus for the attention. >Whatever you do, make sure you listen to "Sleep It Off" - in which Bryan >croons like a new-age Tony Bennett! Wow! > >This isn't intended as full reviews, just a reminder that we have some of >the finest loopers around, right here!! Book me in for the LD CD... >speaking of which...? > >Michael > >Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, >Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. > "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:03:33 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Message-Id: <24168.199706251003@eestud1.elec> > So where do we get these albums? Direct from the musicians - a load of people on this list have produced tapes of their work, as you can see on the "Loopers of the World" webpage. In fact I seem to be in a minority of loopers with no tape (sniff).... Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:30:04 +0200 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: good news for echoflexers Message-ID: <19970625113003500.AAA200@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all dont' know if you already know this... I've been out for some days... This is what I received from Oberheim: _________________________ Dear Mr. Cavallo, Thank you for your prompt e-mail response. I am glad you have had success in ordering your Echoplex. Regarding the software update, it is my understanding that it has gone through Beta testing and is being revised. The tentative date for release they have given me is 2-4 weeks; please note, I must emphasize that this is a tentative date. Hope this information helps. Best regards, Dean Fouts Oberheim Customer Service _____________________________ Again, I'd like to have answers to these topics from plexers: >- This is vital. I'd like to let grow my loops in spontaneous ever changing >compositions. Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer >as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, >erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be >essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last >loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to >another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop >while listening the other ones. ...and Bob kindly replied: >The released version of the JamMan software does not do this (the upgrade >will). If you need this functionality now, the Digital Echoplex is >probably your best bet. I believe it currently provides this >functionality. Now I'd like to know for sure if the Echoplex can do all this. To have different loops going on simultaneously AND the possibility to switch to one from another and to modify each one or erasing one and letting the others going on. I'm looking for this kind of features... And what about the Echoplex pedalboard?? Thanks in advance Ciao Leo ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 97 07:38:38 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Message-ID: <970625113837_74074.1316_GHP63-2@CompuServe.COM> Pete- Thanks for the kind words re: Caryn, Robby and me. Actually, it's not so much about being bashful, more a question of is this an ad or a legit posting. I hope it's taken as the latter. Oh, and I will see you at the Johnny D's gig. Look for me off to the side of the stage somewhere. (There aren't too many places to hide there, as I recall.) As for my CD, you can check out the new Guitar mag (w/Stevie Ray Vaughn on the cover for a review. Apparently, Guitar Shop and Guitar Player will have reviews in their NAMM issues. And Bass frontiers, too. And, if anyone's going to the NAMM show, look for me at the Klein booth where I'll be playing, some solo, some duo, some loopage w/ my brother Kingsley. Dr. Michael: I've heard a tape from Matthias, and quite enjoyed it. I think I may have mentioned that before. A very rich work, indeed. Later, Jon Durant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:54:07 -0700 From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-Id: <199706251548.IAA18891@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Kim Flint > amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this > pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit > stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all >the > ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see > what I mean real quick. I once owned a Ground Control pedal and sold it for that very same reason. If you have a complex setup it's insane to do all that programming without being able to back it up. ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support BI-TECH Software Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:55:03 -0700 From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Music is best, indeed Message-Id: <199706251549.IAA18905@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Pete Koniuto > --TOLERANCE FOR AMBIGUITY, Caryn Lin. Many of you probably > already know this one, since the owner of Alchemy > Records is on this list. If you don't, maybe you Is she the violin player I remember Torn mentioning something about? Anyone care to post a brief review of the album? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Midi Fade on Jam Man Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, As I know next to nothing about Midi, I seem to be having some problems with getting my Jamman to gradually fade out in loop mode. That is when the loop is open I want the sample to gradually degrade. It is my understanding that you can do this with a midi controller but can you acces it via the front panel? Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com --------------------------------