------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: gig [ ANET@aol.com ] Acoustic guitar for loopers [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: Nico and Robert Rich [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: jam man questions [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: IPS-33B [ ANET@aol.com ] Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers [ Sean Echevarria ] Re: Fripp, etc on G3; actual attende [ andre ] Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Tiktok plays tonight! [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] looping devices [ "Marc Roche" ] Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers [ ANET@aol.com ] Apologies for Spamming, What my setu [ ANET@aol.com ] Vol Pedal Constuction for Plex [ future perfect ] Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my [ ANET@aol.com ] Music Descriptions [ future perfect ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Message-ID: <970626205110_159437901@emout17.mail.aol.com> I have the best loopers delight for acoustic guitar $9.00 negotiable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gig Message-ID: <970626205159_1046041294@emout16.mail.aol.com> The best acoustic guitar for loopers $9.00 negotiable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Acoustic guitar for loopers Message-ID: <970626205401_136081744@emout06.mail.aol.com> I have the best acoustic guitar demo tape for loopers. $9.00 negotiable. Write me, I'm not shittin' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nico and Robert Rich Message-ID: <970626205730_1825520978@emout20.mail.aol.com> Loopers delight introduces the finest acoustic samples $9.00 neg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jam man questions Message-ID: <970626205834_-2012946093@emout14.mail.aol.com> Loopers delight the finest acoustic on lexicon. $9.00 neg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IPS-33B Message-ID: <970626205918_-1226906924@emout19.mail.aol.com> The John Wayne project introduces the loopers delight $9.00 neg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:05:52 -0700 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970626180552.00a6cb30@pure.pureatria.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Kim, Can you setup the list (in your copious free time) to reject mail from certain individuals that prove themselves a nuisance? Sean At 08:54 PM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have the best acoustic guitar demo tape for loopers. $9.00 negotiable. > Write me, I'm not shittin' > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Message-ID: <970626205555_-1797176012@emout20.mail.aol.com> Fripp sucks, try me on acoustic $9.00 negotiable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:56:35 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970627015635.006bcc5c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:05 PM 6/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Can you setup the list (in your copious free time) to reject mail from >certain individuals that prove themselves a nuisance? how am I supposed to tell the nuisances from all the rest of you? :-) I'm pretty sure I can do that, I'll look into it. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp, etc on G3; actual attendee!! Message-Id: <199706270258.WAA02937@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hello i actually went to the G3 show... again - and it was great. Sorry. I love pretty much ALL guitar music.... so the WHOLE show was great for me - why do we have to be so polarized, dissing types of music we don't find our favorite ? i love when discussions like this come up and expose the insecure, closed minds where they are... my one complaint was the lameness of (the organizers? the venue?) for putting Fripp on at 6:00 pm !!! that sucked !! we got there at 7:30 (duh! like the ticket said...) and RF was well into his set. What we saw was very cool - pretty much right off the "Soundscapes/Live" CDs ---lotsa synth clouds. I only wished he would whip out the awesome RF patent-applied-for distorted solo tone and play over the loops.... But you know our RF - he made his mind up to not do this and so it will never happen. oh well. well, KWS was really cool - his press is quite a bit over-hyped - being compared to Stevie R.V., who himself was very overhyped, but great tones, good blues. Vai/Keneally rocked - has anyone here actually heard the new Vai CD yet ? it's incredible... and Satch is one of the funnest guitarists to watch and hear - Back to RF - during the encores, as well, he played only the tiny lil synth tone, which was near inaudible against 3 roaring overdriven guitars, but why be pissed at the three ?? Fripp should've went for a more biting tone, but... again - he's gotta be different AT ALL COSTS. i like the comment about who wore what.... that's REAL relevant to the discussion. I always love it when us erudite, arty guitarists are confronted by other "fellow??" musicians who have a little more extrovertive relationship with the guitar, like Mr Vai... there's perhaps no more maligned plucker than he... so he can play fast, so what... have some of his critics acftually heard the BIG picture ?? heard all his diverse releases?? heard ALL the stuff he did with Zappa ?? Read any of his effusive praise for many, many other musicians and their music. someone said "in one of the encores ....Fripp was not given ...a solo. Look, i think Fripp played where and when he wanted to play...! another bright moment ">....Last song was a blues tune which for some reason said Stevie Ray Vaughan to me, though I couldn't place it. Ego war between Vai and KWS. This "unknown song" was only RED HOUSE by some guy, uh,, Lonny Hendricks, I think. has anyone heard of him... he didn't loop, but did some ok stuff. all in all - i guess there's a little high school left in all of us...! peace thru music (all music) andre' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:44:02 -0700 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Message-Id: <199706270444.VAA24716@usr07.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OK. Let's put it another way. Has anyone seen any looping performers recently? Attention folks! My friends, Oil Junkys, use an array of equipment, including an ancient Echoplex, to produce their music, which could be classified as electronic in some circles. Tuesday, July 1, 8pm, they're playing with Don Preston (one of the original Mothers, also played with Coltrane) at Lumpy Gravy here in LA. The club is located at 7311 Beverly Boulevard in Los Angeles. It is right next door to the Art Store and across the street from El Coyote. There is valet parking in back (or at least there was last time I went). Call (213) 934-9400 for more information. The bistro has dinner service and now has a liquor license. (Pretty fine too!) There is also corkage for those so inclined. I'll be there, amongst others, though to listen, but would like to get a bunch of folks out for this. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:32:28 +0100 From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Return of the son of looping near London: a gig Message-ID: <0004E1D9.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part For those in the London, UK area: I will (re)appearing at the Croydon Clocktower Balcony Bar next Thursday, 3rd July from 1-2pm (free entry). Further details of location, including a map, available from: Cheers David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:03:39 -0400 From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: Fripp and G3,spammers Message-ID: re: "Red House" I've seen some posts to some lists (elephant-talk, sylvian) about the G3 tour A lot of younger people are not familiar with Hendrix (lonnie or Jimi) 8-} Probably the same guys that think Eddie Van Halen invented the guitar. There is a Live G3 album out from the earlier tour with Eric Johnson. It's pretty good. Satch's set smokes, I really like his playing on Cool No.9 Vai's set is over the wall but some good moments, I'm not a big fan of EJ so I've been skipping his set to get to Vai and the Jams (I've only got a 40min ride to work) Vai plays some good runs on Zappa's "My Guitar want to kill your Mama" during the Jams. I'd recommend this CD to you guitar freaks. RE: Fripp and tone Some have commented that Fripp was playing a organ sound with his Roland synth on "Red House" and the audience was looking for the Keyboard Player. I'm sure he got a chuckle out of that. RE: Spammers I always e-mail a spammer back with a nasty reply. Might take a minute but it adds noise to his replies. later loopy friends John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 10:38:20 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" , "Kels" , "Janis Adams" , "adelyn botto" , "Charles Coker" , "Jennifer Cook" , "Jimmy de la Rosa" , "Bruce Gimble" , "William Hurley" , "Kerry Keels" , "Beth Macom" , "Patrick Lemire" , "Patrick Lemire" , "Laurie Miller" , "Jon Matis" , "Mike Pell" , "Renee Phillips" , "Renee Phillips" , "Brandon Powell" , "Vinka Quintana" , "Nadine Romig" , "Paul Valente" , "Camille von Eberstein" , "Gretchen von Ebertstein" , "Paula Wilbourne" , "Charles and Wilson" , "Kim Corbet" Subject: Tiktok plays tonight! Message-Id: <199706271537.IAA29150@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" For those of you in the Austin area: Tiktok, Austin's premier ambient improvisers, will be performing tonight (Friday, June 27) at Spiderhouse Coffeehouse, between 7 and 9PM. Spiderhouse is on Fruth Street, across the road from the central Trudy's, behind the old Antone's location. We'll be playing out in the garden. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett and Jon Matis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: pedals Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone ever use a Digitech Control Seven with a Jamman? I don't have a midi controller yet and have the opportunity to pick one of these up REAL cheap. Had never heard of it until recently. I'd only be using with the Jamman. Thanks, Pete ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3753 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:41:38 -0700 From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: looping devices Message-Id: <199706281443.HAA24971@marge.cyber-dyne.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Live with mindfullness of all living things I have an antique looping device you may not have heard of, the digitech PDS 8000 8 sec. digital delay/sampler. It's sample resolution isn't the greatest and finding the right tempo to make the sample length come out right will send you around the bend, but hell, I bought it in "88 and it's what got me started with looping. BTY what do you think about the Akai Remix? Is it a good product? Better than the Oberheim? I'm using the Jamman now and I want to upgrade. Thanks, Ciao, Salaam. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: submitking@web3.cybermirror1.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Message-Id: <199706281555.LAA22814@web3.cybermirror1.com> More hits to your page! Subject: More hits is GOOD! Greetings from SUBMITKING, the leader in automated URL submissions! After many months of programming we're pleased to announce that from just the one form you fill out we'll now submit your URL to TWO HUNDRED marketing resources (search engines, award sites, etc.) for just $19.95! Why are we the "King of Submissions?" We've spent THOUSANDS of hours searching the 'Net for the TWO HUNDRED top marketing resources that apply to the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF SITES. Which means over 95% of the sites on our list will apply to your URL. Check out our list of marketing resources. 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While it lacks the Jmans/Plex ability to accurately define loop lengths via "Tap Tempo" the 8 sec. loop length is still darn good. I picked up the rac version - rds 8000- 6 months ago for $130. The reason I got it was because of the ambiguousity of the loop length---delay times/loop length are set by turning a knob and not by the more accurate "tap/tempo" Jman/Plex method. Is this a short coming? Not always. Sometimes (such as ambient type things) it's good to just play and let the loop come back at you without having to be constricted by a time frame. Well, you could, some would say, do the same thing on the Jman/Plex by just randomly tapping in the start/end points. Yes, but I've always had the sneaky suspician that no matter how random you were you would still be syncing to something-heart beat, bio rythm etc. ;). So, with this in mind, some of the ways I use the Digi rds 8000 in conjunction w/the Jman are as follows: 1) Sync. a defined loop wtih the Jman over a running left handed Stick(R) bass line. While keeping that going layer an ambiguously defined loop -ambient or rythmic-on the rds 8000 and let the two loops (+running/rythmic "live" Stick part) float together/apart while soloing or adding more layers with the right hand on the melody side of the Stick. 2) Start out layering long volume swelly chords on the rds 8000, hold the loop (it does have that ability), determine the turn around point of the ambigous loop and sync the Jman to that (tap/tempo) then build a differently textured loop on the Jman. 3)After doing either of the above throw either (both?) looper into fade/layer mode and go back to buiding new loops on the unit that's fading. In this way you can have loops that are continually morphing and intertwining In short, I like the idea of not having total contol over everthing. It's nice to be able to recreate rythmic/loop patterns as the basis for compositions or as springboards for improvisation and for this the tap/tempo function is a must. But every once in a while it's nice to let the machines talk back at you on their own terms. -- Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:19:38 -0700 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Message-Id: <199706281925.MAA14268@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ArrghhhH! Spam on the LD list! It's the beginning of the end!!! >You won't find a bunch of sites that no longer >exist or only accept links about Emus (or some other specific topic) on >OUR list of sites. Hmmm, I didn't know Emu made a looper... James ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers Message-ID: <970628174121_-627152442@emout05.mail.aol.com> My apologies to you and the elite group of folks I've insulted. In retrospect, tacky. Did not realize the negativity, Okay, Send me your demo and I send you mine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Message-ID: <970628180857_-1495152036@emout15.mail.aol.com> Recently, during one of my more brillant moments, I seemed to have highly irritated a lot of folks here at this site for attempting to sell some samples of acoustic guitar work at this site. My apologies to the site and those I've offended. I didn't realize that I was reposting messages to the site, nor was I aware of breaking any protocol. I do have some pretty nice stuff that I would trade (on tape) for anyone sending me samples of their work. Let me know. My setup for playing Acoustic guitar with the Jam-Man. 1 Cedar top handmade acoustic Koa back and sides, wood bindings Gives a sound similar to a dobro rosewood fingerboard (1995 Keller Guitars) 1 Sitka Spuce top, rosewood back and sides wood bindings (1992 Kellar Guitars) Big booming sharp sound. --------Input------Crate 125D-------Pre amp signal-----Lexicon Jam----Alesis compressor | | Live sound output (Mix on Crate is DLY or LPR, currently using LPR (large plate reverb). -----Tascam 4 track------Stewart 200 watt amp------Community Speakers and Monitors The key to all setups is guitar resonance and clarity. As a result, I push the treble, cut the mids and boost bass. Will tell you about the vocal mix in a subsequent letter. Both guitars are running the martin thinline series saddle pickup (which will not feedback). I typically choose to run Martin maquis light gauge strings. The Crate 125D may be the finest acoustic amp on the market today. Where I play, there currently is an absence of these amps (No one is using them). Every place where this setup is done, people have been extremely encouraging. Now, as a fellow looper, the Jam man is the icing on the cake. They hear good sound, but then they hear a 3 or 4 man band with one guy. It opens eyes every single time. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:21:17 -0400 From: future perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vol Pedal Constuction for Plex Message-ID: <33B5B88D.7E0FFB61@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to build a passive volume pedal (out of an old Crybaby shell that I have) to be used with the Echoplex...I plan to use this with my Ground Control to control MIDI volume to the Plex. Any idea on what value potentiometer I should use?? Thanks! Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably get there.' - Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Message-ID: <970629092815_1478039752@emout09.mail.aol.com> <> Well, that's more like it...apology accepted gladly, as far as I'm concerned! Your setup is interesting! Thanks for the post dpc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Message-ID: <970629105613_1722528348@emout01.mail.aol.com> All of the pieces of that setup are important; however, I've seen the CRATE125D take an average to above average guitar, say an upper-line Alvarez or even a $500.00 Yamaha with the pickup across the sound-hole and turn it into something like what I heard at the G3 tour when Adrian Legg ripped the strings off his guitar (not-really, but you know what I mean). On that amp I find this setting to be the best. Vol - whatever Piezo - Yes Low- 80% Mid- 40% High-50% effect send-30 to 60% depending on the effect Chorus depth- 20% Rate- 20% Output eq looks like a smile with the lowest point the 1khz at 50% Bass and Treble are 100% The effect is Large Plate reverb 1 mixed so that it's pretty high, For some strange reason, people love lots of "tasteful" reverb. By tasteful, I mean no sound-tunneling. Go to your local guitar shop and try this amp on an average guitar with these settings. You'll walk out of the store with the amp, guaranteed. P.S. I'm am not a CRATE person, however, whatever they did to make the amp, they did well. One note on the amp - It has built in bi-amping and at 125 watts, Screams. Your acoustic guitar playing will never be the same. I used to play in Boulder and Longmont Colorado, of which there are some very talented guitarists. One night, I brought my setup to a small bar, set it up and allowed some of the locals to play. Most of us are old hippies playing stuff like Crosby, Stills and Nash. Anyway, these two guys got up and plugged into the amp. They played Suite:Judy Blue Eyes, everyone's jaw dropped. You know one of those spiritual moments. Afterward, the chief guitar guy came up to me and said, I haven't heard a guitar sound like that in 20 years. In retrospect, I think he was relating to me the joy he remembered when he first started playing guitar as a child. By the way, you can hook up to three guitars into the amp or, two guitars and a Mic. If you sing, you need to change the output eq for additional presence on the mic. Great amp. Forget Marshall's or Trace Elliot or Roland acoustic amps, there not in the same league. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:11:35 -0400 From: future perfect To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Music Descriptions Message-ID: <33B74E17.46EBF4E7@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'd like to know how fellow loopers/experimental musicians describe their music to people. For instance: I'm always faced with re-vamping my promotional materials and looking for new ways to describe what I do. I also get a lot of questions at performances like, 'Uh, what type of music is that??' Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating around out there? Another concern is how to describe my music in a few words over the phone to venue owners/bookers. Launching into a rant about ambient or experimental music is rather esoteric and I gag on the phrase, 'new age', but to the unenlightened that is a simple (however sickening) description for the masses. Most people have a hard time relating to music (or anything!) that doesn't fit neatly into a popular genre. Shameless plug: check out the new sound clips at my web site and the availability of my new CD. Yeah! Dave -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably get there.' - Robert Fripp --------------------------------