------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: Re: delays that slowwww [ KILLINFO ] Re: delays that slowwww [ PMimlitsch ] Re: delays that slowwww [ ANET ] 3rd CD Project Update 01/03/98 (Happ [ ANET ] Re: delays that slowwww [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Re: Vortex... [ Malhomme Olivier ] NJ Stick/Loop gigs [ PMimlitsch ] Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. [ mark sottilaro ] Robert Fripp ALONE [ "Julia & Dave" ] Re: Robert Fripp ALONE [ Salazzar2 ] Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs [ PMimlitsch ] ZOOM 508 [ lwordsman@pirnie.com ] Re: ZOOM 508 [ Steven Dubofsky ] Re: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs [ Fmplautus ] RE: digitech time machine vs. zooooo [ Jason Secord To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <835ea1dc.34ae8886@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/98 2:26:56 AM, you wrote: >Fellow loopers, > >Sorry to be banging on about gear again, but I must know the answer... > >What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can slow down the input signal? >I understand the Lex PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech?) too, but are >there any others? I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but >the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like a varispeed has been >turned down (or up for Munchkin dialogue). I believe the slowing down of input >to be a great thing for these times, as we speed towards the millennium. >Hopefully the 'kids' will be 'hip' to it too. > >Go raibh maith agat, ('Thanks to you' in the Gaelic) Well, one device (out of many I suppose) that does what you describe is the old Electro Harmonix 16-Second Digital Delay. I once had a couple of them that I used as a stereo pair for all of my looping activities. When I finally parted with them (for more modern rack gizmos) it was precisely this feature that I missed most. The designers of all these newer gadgets don't seem to appreciate the usefulness of this speed/pitch changing capability. While the EH-16 is no longer being made (and still commands pretty high prices used) it has been rumored to be slated by EH/Sovtek for reissue in the not- too-distant future. I myself am looking forward to checking it out, when that day comes, and perhaps buying one (or two) again. Don't get me wrong, I really like my Oberheim EDPs, but I do still miss that one feature of the EH-16 T. Killian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:00:15 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <16f1e707.34ae8ac1@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/98 5:27:59 AM, you wrote: <> Any of the Digitech Delay/Loopers (PDS or RDS 8000 for example) can slow down/speed up a loop or delay thus changing the pitch of the looped/delayed signal. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:33:30 EST From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <1af6e93a.34aea09c@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit RDS8000 can slow down the looping speeds or speed it up. However, the pitch changes as well, don't know if that is what you were looking for. There are devices that slow and keep the pitch the same for the sake of determining the notes played on fast leads etc. etc. I don't know the name of those devices, but have seen them in the music catalogs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:45:56 EST From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 3rd CD Project Update 01/03/98 (Happy New Year all!) Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, 1998 is upon us, Happy New Year everyone, I hope this will be a productive year for all involved in these ongoing projects. Can't wait to hear the CDs that are in production now and those that will be completed this year. For the 3rd CD project, the intent was to allow those who have recordings on cassette tape (analog) to have the ability to make a CD. If we don't have enough submissions, then we'll allow any DAT overflow to be included as well. The cost will be $100.00, and will follow the guidelines of the 2nd Project which will allow a set amount of CDs to be donated to this site, the producer and the remaining to be divided evenly to the participants. All future CD pressings are given at cost to any of the participants. This will allow you to market our CDs any way you want. Submissions are being called for from now unitl March 31st. There will be a 4 to 6 week mixdown with submission to the CD folks around June 1st. Artwork will be done by the members of the project or anyone else interested. This effort should not be confused with the first two projects. The second project is being produced by Matt Mcabe, and I (John Peters) will produce the third project. Feel free to contact me via email at either ANET@AOL.COM or acoustic_guitar@yahoo.com. My mailing address is: 15 9th Ave. N.W. Kasson, Minnesota 55944 Tapes will not be returned unless you enclose the return package and postage. The property of the music will remain yours and the property of the CD will remain those who particpate with stipends to this site (Kim Flint). Have a good year and hope to hear from you soon. The current list of participants is: dpcoffin@aol.com enat2123@aol.com pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu r_t_cummings@copuserve.com stick@psn.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <34AEEB69.613F@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What delay devices, obsolete or contemporary, can > slow down the input signal ? I understand the Lex > PCM42 can, and the Echo Plus ( Digitech ? ) too, but > are there any others ? > I have a Whammy Pedal which can lower the pitch, but > the speed is the same. I'd like something that acts like > a varispeed has been turned down ( or up for Munchkin dialogue ) Andrew, The Boomerang Phrase Sampler can slow a recorded sample to half speed (it drops an octave), or speed it up to double speed (it raises the pitch an octave). Let me know if you want any more info. Mike Nelson Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:43:48 +0100 From: "c.voit" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delays that slowwww Message-ID: <34AF9214.DE41647F@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first affordable DDelay Ibanez DD1000 could do 1024 ms delays, had a hold (loop closed) foot switch, a sin modulation of the delay time (pitch mod of the delays) and by varying the delay time you could make the cool detune slowwww down trick my first emotions in the world of looping 8=) can somebody remind me the year... Claude ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:54:35 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex... Message-ID: <34AFB0BA.B27@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A new question... I tried recently to feed my vortex with two different inputs. Surprisingly, one take precedence on the other (one of the inputs is muted completely) but one of the outputs get muted too! That is rather strange... When fed with a mono signal, it is working absolutely perfectly. Very very strange.... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Looper CD Update Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A quick little update on the Looper CD project. We are not accepting any more contributors for this project. The response has been overwhelming. If you feel left out, don't worry, there is plenty of interest for future projects. Stay tuned!! Check this page to see who's involved: http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Matt _______________________________ Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:09:18 EST From: Takadimi To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Jam Man Message-ID: <71e67e34.34b15a10@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello. My name is Todd. I am a Drummer/Percussionist looking for a Jam Man. If you have a buy/sell reference page or can get me in touch with someone who has one, I would be grateful. Ive already tried Harmony Central with no luck. Thanks for your time. Email Takadimi@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:30:29 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: stickwire-l@netcom.com Subject: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Message-ID: <3ef34b22.34b16d23@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain "Explorations in Time and Space" - An evening of Soundscapes and Imporovisations w/ Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman Stick®/Loops) and J. Jody Janetta (Percussion/Treated Voice). Sat. Jan. 10th. - Border's Books and Music, Mays Landing 407 - 1960 (w/Michael Robbins-violin as "Adelante" - Free jazz?fusion) Fri. Jan. 8:00pm - Down to Earth Coffeehouse Mt. Holly 265-9135 (w/Bill Forcier-Synthesizers) Sat. Jan. 17th. - 8:00pm - Celestial Cafe, Medford 596 - 7098 Sat. Jan. 24th. 8:00pm - Cafe Seattle, Haddonfield 354 - 2220 Sat. Jan. 31st 8:00pm - A.J. Muggas Uncommon Grounds, Merchantville 317 - 0199 (w/Bill Forcier - Synthesizers) Sat. Feb. 14th. 8:00pm - Celestial Cafe, Medford 596 - 7098 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:14:39 -0500 From: mark sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. Message-ID: <34B1A19D.8636D455@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey there Bob, Sorry to bother you, but a while ago you wrote: > > > With MIDI clock IN disabled, the sequencer and JamMan can be connected > > as shown above but JamMan will ignore the MIDI clocks being output by > the sequencer and still recognize all of the control commands. With > this > setup the operator simply TAPs in the first loop and a whole series of > > complex commands can be programmed into the sequencer with no > additional > operator intervention except to play their perspective instrument. > I have a question. Is the opposite possible? Can I make my JamMan ignore program change commands while still synching to a MIDI clock? Anyway, thanks for any help you can give me. By the way, I FINALLY got the chance to install the "Special 2 ROM" that you sent me many months ago. Tomorrow I intend to do the proper mods on my footswitchs, so you may be asked to come to the rescue with info soon. We'll see... Also, isn't there anyone over there at Lexicon that you can kick in the butt and have them start making those crazy delays again? I can't imagine that a processor that fetches full retail and beyond USED can't be profitable for them to make. Kooky! Thanks, -- -- Mark @ ř??? IAMNOTHERE c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:12:14 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Which state is the Medford in your Celestial Cafe in? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:41:12 -0500 From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Robert Fripp ALONE Message-Id: <199801060441.XAA26008@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Robert Fripp is coming to Montreal Robert Fripp ALONE Monday January 19th 8:30 pm Club Soda (514) 270-7848 (Montreal) Tickets available through Admission Ticket Outlets (514) 790-1245 I got mine today and there are still plenty left according to the teller. Hope this info can be of use to Loopers in the area... Cheers, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/othprint/kristian.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:49:43 EST From: Salazzar2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp ALONE Message-ID: <8892a29a.34b1b7e9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Greetings all....I saw Mr. Fripp in Philadelphia early in December and I must say that it is a must see. After approximately an hour and a half of crafting the soundscapes, he had a question and answer period with the audience. He was in rare form that night....very interesting and funny man....enjoy the show, if you go!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:59:02 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/98 10:43:26 PM, you wrote: <> New Jersey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:00:31 -0500 From: lwordsman@pirnie.com To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: ZOOM 508 Message-Id: <199801061600.LAA00096@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine. I bought a zoom 508 but am not sure that I like the scrolling interface. Knobs may be the way to go. I didn't buy an expression pedal and so the TAP and HOLD features only work in the edit mode. The manual is not very clear regarding the use of these functions without the foot control. To date I've been able to use the hold mode which allows me to jam over a repeated portion of material but I can't figure out how to establish the length of the loop that is held. I seem to get just a fragment of the overall delayed material. Maybe a half second piece of a four second delay. TAP has completely eluded me. I know this stuff is pretty basic to most of you but I would appreciate any direction possible. I have until next week to return the device for a full refund and may still do that and opt for the time machine. I'd like to get into a more detailed discussion of the zoom with someone knowledgable if anyone has the time. That could be done seperate from this list to avoid boring others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ZOOM 508 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998 lwordsman@pirnie.com wrote: > > Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine. I bought a zoom 508 but am not sure that I like the scrolling interface. Knobs may be the way to go. > > I didn't buy an expression pedal and so the TAP and HOLD features only work in the edit mode. The manual is not very clear regarding the use of these functions without the foot control. To date I've been able to use the hold mode which allows me to jam over a repeated portion of material but I can't figure out how to establish the length of the loop that is held. I seem to get just a fragment of the overall delayed material. Maybe a half second piece of a four second delay. TAP has completely eluded me. > > I know this stuff is pretty basic to most of you but I would appreciate any direction possible. I have until next week to return the device for a full refund and may still do that and opt for the time machine. > > I'd like to get into a more detailed discussion of the zoom with someone knowledgable if anyone has the time. That could be done seperate from this list to avoid boring others. tap and hold are available without the footswitch, you tap both pedals at the same time. Press to start the loop, then again to end the loop. All rights reserved. No part of skullsaw may be reproduced in any form without written consent from skullsaw www.gti.net/skullsaw ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:31:51 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: NJ Stick/Loop gigs Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Damn, we were hoping it was just down the road. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:51:19 -0500 From: Jason Secord To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: RE: digitech time machine vs. zoooooooooooooooommmmmmm (the winnner is clear) Message-ID: <34B26F17.6D93F553@mediaone.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E62DB71B3F9CE37759123E27"    1wordsman wrote:  "Thanx for all of the input regarding the digitech time machine.  I bought a zoom 508 ..." There's always a beginning...   So you bought a zoom.  Although they sell like mad and get alot of talk, I've always loathed scrolling "data-entry" user interfaces....   I hate to say it, but to me, knobs are essential (like ni***les, they must be twiddled!!!).  And for all intensive purposes, the time machine sounds better than the zoom products (*subjective/excuse me).  I could try and discuss the Zoom stuff with you sometime, but I'll only end up reinforcing this message..... FOR THE MONEY, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH A DIGITECH TIME MACHINE....ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE MODELS WITH 6 OR 7 SECONDS.  With a Zoom, the user is forced to work within a series of pre-sets and you can only use one effect at a time.  BORING.   The TIME Machine gives you chorus/flanging/echo/doubling/arm-trigger..... direct out/Mix out/phase out (stereo)/arm-trigger foot control via momentary foot-switch... Foot control over delay time (which also effects chorusing and flanging) via a volume pedal... Foot control over repeat-Hold (momentary foot switch, again!)... I CAN GO ON.     Regardless, I plug into my friends time machine and I'm stuck there for hours... and I have fun...rather than frustration. Peace to all and have a great day! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 14:18:03 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Time machine question Message-Id: <199801062018.MAA09790@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I just received a Time Machine (like, two minutes ago), and I was looking at the back jacks. They're quarter-inch mono jacks which protrude about 3/8" beyond the chassis, and they're threaded on the outside. I'd prefer that there were those big plastic nuts threaded on the jacks so that the strain relief is transferred to the metal chassis, not the pc board inside. A question to the other TM owners--do your jacks have nuts? Travis Hartnett --------------------------------