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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 10

Today's Topics:
  Re: Looping with sequencers..         [ R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compus ]
  Looking for a compressor              [ R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compus ]
  Who wants to play a gig with Fripp/B  [ R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compus ]
  Re: Looking for a compressor          [ Scott <tanelorn@dimensional.com> ]
  Looping with sequencers..             [ "[ C H R I S ]" <chrisone@mnl.seque ]
  RE: Hello...                          [ Laurie Hatch <lahatch@dnai.com> ]
  Re: Email Avalanch/routing            [ Os <os@scee.sony.co.uk> ]
  Re: Echoplex functions ?              [ Le Quan Ninh <ninh@musique.net> ]
  Re:compression                        [ Malhomme Olivier <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Looking for a compressor          [ tdbajus <nyfac2@nyfac.com> ]
  New to looping/processing             [ "Rich Lamphear" <rlamphear@hbsp.har ]
  Echoplex Upgrades                     [ Pat Murphy <pmurphy@gibson.com> ]
  Re: New to looping/processing         [ Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net> ]
  Re: New to looping/processing         [ Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com> ]
  Re: Re:compression                    [ "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimens ]
  FS: Vortex $290                       [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  FS: Boomerang $275                    [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  FS: Digitech Time Machine $100        [ "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Tra ]
  Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade              [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  one-function MIDI pedal?              [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft ]
  Re: Re: Echoplex functions ?          [ Takadimi <Takadimi@aol.com> ]
  Re: Re: Echoplex functions ?          [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re[2]: New to looping/processing      [ Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) ]
  Re: FS: Digitech Time Machine $100    [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: one-function MIDI pedal?          [ Sean Echevarria <sechevar@californi ]

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:22 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers..
Message-ID: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17BD@compuserve.com>
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>>Another example, I downloaded the Rebirth demo a while back, which is
>>basically a simulation of 2 TB-303's and a TR-808, with some filtering,
>>distortion, and delay effects. It has the same basic, stupid kind of
>>sequencing that those boxes had in their day. And it's great for
real-time
>>looping stuff. (assuming you like the very well-worn sounds that it
makes.)
>>You just start it up and begin adding things to the sequence, taking them
>>out again, playing with the filters, changing levels, etc. Pretty fun.
>>
>>kim

>HI Kim

>Try Seq 303 (if you have a PC) for more filters and infinite sounds. I
>discovered the prog last night and it's a killer. E-mail privately if
you're
>interested.

Hello loopers, I found found another great toy out there - a TB-303 analog
syth 
emulator. One of the cool things about this one is that is works in
real-time 
(i.e. the oscillator, filter parameters etc. can be changed in real-time
without a sound 
delay), which isn't usually the case with PC synthies.
Neddless to say, I've been skipping sleep the last few days ;-)

This puppy is called VAZ (for PC) and a freeware version is available at

http://www.software-technology.com

The full version (VAZ plus - which I haven't bought yet) offers multimode
filter, 
portamento, ring modulator, up to 8 sequencer patterns, patch storage and 
even polyphony - sounds like even less sleep...

... and I'm not plugging for them

Talk to youse all later....

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:26 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com>
To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Looking for a compressor
Message-ID: <199801181152_MC2-2FC4-17C0@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
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Hello loopers, I'm *actually* looking for a suitable compressor for 
my drum'n'percussion loops (despite the recent threads on "lossy 
compression" etc.). My goal is to even out some of my percussion 
loops involving varying sound levels (e.g. shakers with cowbells). 
I suppose that having better microphone technique could also 
solve some of these *level* problems but as everyone knows, 
things aren't always so controllable (i.e. self-control) under *live* 
conditions!

I know that the dbx 166A is considered to be somewhat of a classic 
device - but does anybody know about the new dbx 266? I've also 
heard about a 4-channel compressor from Behringer but somebody 
I know once made disparaging remarks about that company's 
products? Anybody know better?

Thanks in advance to anybody who can help me :-)

And as they say here in Germany, 
Tschuess

R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500
From: R & T Cummings <R_T_Cummings@compuserve.com>
To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Who wants to play a gig with Fripp/Belew?
Message-ID: <199801181153_MC2-2FC4-17C4@compuserve.com>
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How's this all you Tennesee loopers, I received this yesterday on the 
John Zorn list:

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:50 -0600
>From: Christopher John Moon <anhedonia@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Anyone wanna play with Fripp/Belew??

>Hey,

>Does anyone know of any artists who would be interested in playing a show
>headlined by a new Robert Fripp/Adrian Belew project in Nashville the week
>of Feb. 18-20...it's part of NEA (Nashville's version of CMJ, SXSW,
etc...).  

>Email me with any ideas.  Thanks,

>Christopher Moon

Now goferit!

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:19:29
From: Scott <tanelorn@dimensional.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a compressor
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980118131929.26a795d2@mail.dimensional.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 11:52 1/18/98 -0500, R_T_Cummings wrote:

>I know that the dbx 166A is considered to be somewhat of a classic 
>device - but does anybody know about the new dbx 266? I've also 
>heard about a 4-channel compressor from Behringer but somebody 
>I know once made disparaging remarks about that company's 
>products? Anybody know better?

I think the Behringer MDX2100 is great compressor--enough control over the
compression that you don't have to overdo it (an all-too-common compressor
sin) to get good results, and it's very quiet.  (I haven't heard the 2400,
which is what you're describing.)  

As for Behringer controversy, they did get in some serious legal trouble
with both Mackie and Aphex for design ripoffs--I won't go into the legal
and ethical quandaries here.  I'd offer that they're like most companies:
some good products, some bad products, many quiet afficionados, and some
loud enemies.  Assuming the warranty is solid (I think it's 5 years), pop
down to the local music shop and let your ears decide.

Scott

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:07:16 +0800
From: "[ C H R I S ]" <chrisone@mnl.sequel.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Looping with sequencers..    
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980118200716.007c2b80@mnl.sequel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I don't have that much harware but I have the software. I use CoolEdit to
edit, chop and layer my sounds. I don't have a midi connection, so I use
FasttrackerII to sequence my loops. Does anybdy else on this list use
Trackers/MOD's? They are great if you don't really have the cash for equipmet.

For other software Synthesis, check out SubSynth, Vaz, Orangtor, Alcomp and
Defractor.

C H R I S

"If I get one more person who comes to me and complain about that computer
music has no soul I will be furious!"  

							- Bjork

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:10:58 -0800
From: Laurie Hatch <lahatch@dnai.com>
To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Hello...  
Message-ID: <01BD246E.C9C6E6A0.lahatch@dnai.com>
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>From Corynne:
>Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week...[snip]

Welcome abroad! (oops... aboard) .  I just signed on a few months ago, myself.

>I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim Echo-plex digital pro.

It's like having a beige '56 Jag XK-120 with a warp drive retrofit docked right 
there in your rack.  Sweeeeet.

>P.S.  Are there any other women on this list?

Yup.    ;^)=8=<==

laurie

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:50:53 +0000
From: Os <os@scee.sony.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Email Avalanch/routing
Message-ID: <34C313ED.74BCD0F@scee.sony.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Sellon, Bob (Exchange) wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how to route "Loopers-Delight" email to a particular
> folder under Microsoft Exhange (V5.0)? I tried using the Inbox Assistant
> but couldn't seem to get it to work. It always seems to look at the
> originators address instead of LoopersDelight. The sheer volume of
> messages is killing me and I would rather not "unsubscribe" if I can get
> the messages sent quietly to my LoopersDelight folder.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Bob Sellon
> Engineer
> Lexicon/Stec

This is dead easy with Netscape Communicator.

Though it might not help you to know that.

-- 
Os
os@millennium.co.uk
http://webworlds.net/os/

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:05:16 +0100
From: Le Quan Ninh <ninh@musique.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex functions ?
Message-Id: <l03130301b0e8d45c0433@[195.154.34.231]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>yes, the Echoplex can have nine separate loops in memory, which can all be
>triggered, retriggered etc. like with a sampler. When triggering with midi
>you have velocity sensitivity and several different types of triggering
>options. There are also copy, control, and sync options for multiple loops
>that are very useful for performing with them. It is effectively
>monophonic, so only one loop plays at a time.

Hum... but is there any other machine as flexible as the Echoplex which
allows a real polyphonic process ?


__________________________________________
              Le Quan Ninh
            ninh@musique.net
      http://www.musique.net/ninh/
__________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:20:23 +0000
From: Malhomme Olivier <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:compression
Message-ID: <34C36F33.35BB32F2@infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
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There is not that much difference between these two different events
that share the same name. In audio compression you loose clearly some
information. As it being useful... Ours ears are educated with years of
records highly compressed  to have a max level. It is just a ridiculous
race for more Db in the end, to be as often as possible near the max.
Using compression on a classicial recording, where it is more the
quality of the take that makes it (apart from the talent of the
musicians, of course) would be stupid and sense less.
By the smae way, a lot of data-compression is being used more and more
when you record at a 48 khz sample rate and using 24 bit a/d converters.
There are more and more -in high end products- recording with new 24
bit/96 khz converters. It requires a very nasty data compression before
the product reach you...

Olivier Malhomme

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:22:32 +0000
From: tdbajus <nyfac2@nyfac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a compressor
Message-ID: <34C31B58.E8@nyfac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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I have a Behringer Composer stereo gate/limiter/compressor, and I think
that it works fairly well, esp for the price.


Trevor

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:26:22 -0500
From: "Rich Lamphear" <rlamphear@hbsp.harvard.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: New to looping/processing
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980119102622.00704d2c@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,
I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the
concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar.  I'm intrigued with
the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new
sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics.

I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice
on how I might best spend the money.

My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something
that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre
before sending it to processing.  I've heard good things about the Sunrise
and McIntyre pickups for this type of application.

The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper.  Has
availability of these improved lately?  (sorry if it's a faq, just joined
the list).  I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but
no pedalboards.

In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for
both the guitar and the voice.  My main question revolves around the issue
of stereo processing.  Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent
stereo sound happening?  Do most people running stereo process first (add
reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes?  Or do people loop
first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and
output from there?

My choices (for around $1500) seem to be:
1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output.
2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync.

Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated.  It sure
would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single
box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct?

thanks,
Rich

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:36:08 -0600
From: Pat Murphy <pmurphy@gibson.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Echoplex Upgrades 
Message-Id: <98Jan19.093506cst.26890@gateway.gibson.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Loopers
All upgrades that were paid for have been shipped as of last Friday.
Loop On-
Pat Murphy

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:39:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave Stagner <dstagner@icarus.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: New to looping/processing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980119093623.17480A-100000@icarus.icarus.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!!  Your
looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone.

I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in
combination with an internal condenser microphone.  It's very good at
sounding similar to an acoustic guitar.  Piezo pickups alone are terrible,
i think.  They're missing "air".

-dave

Practice beautiful randomness and act kind of senseless.
<dstagner@icarus.net>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:50 -0600
From: Tom Spaulding <tspauldi@gibson.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: New to looping/processing
Message-Id: <98Jan19.101706cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Rich-

Footswitches are on the way to Thoroughbred and other reputable stocking
Oberheim dealers. (Reputable Stockings? Sounds like a Zappa tune...) I
would recommend getting an EDP, natch, and both Thoroughbred
(813-889-3874)and Bananas at Large (415-457-7600 ask for Rick)are excellent
sources for all things OB. Enjoy!!

Tom Spaulding
Oberheim Product Manager
1818 Elm Hill Pike
Nashville, TN  37210
800-777-0795 



At 09:26 AM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the
>concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar.  I'm intrigued with
>the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new
>sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics.
>
>I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice
>on how I might best spend the money.
>
>My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something
>that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre
>before sending it to processing.  I've heard good things about the Sunrise
>and McIntyre pickups for this type of application.
>
>The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper.  Has
>availability of these improved lately?  (sorry if it's a faq, just joined
>the list).  I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but
>no pedalboards.
>
>In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for
>both the guitar and the voice.  My main question revolves around the issue
>of stereo processing.  Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent
>stereo sound happening?  Do most people running stereo process first (add
>reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes?  Or do people loop
>first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and
>output from there?
>
>My choices (for around $1500) seem to be:
>1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output.
>2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync.
>
>Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated.  It sure
>would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single
>box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct?
>
>thanks,
>Rich
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:21:16 -0700
From: "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimensional.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Re:compression
Message-Id: <199801191627.JAA20173@hyper.dimensional.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

[computer types: this is an intentionally simplified explanation of data
compression.  please don't castigate me for bitwise imprecision.  otherwise
feel free to hate me for the mostly non-looping content!]

Malhomme Olivier writes:

> There is not that much difference between these two different events
> that share the same name. In audio compression you loose clearly some
> information.

Hate to further beat a dead horse here, but there is indeed that much
difference between data compression and audio compression: _not all data
compression is lossy_ (though it is on some things, like mini-disc
recorders).  Think of it this way: the digital file (whether it's a CD or a
loop in the RAM of yer stylin' 'Plex Pro) is merely strings of zeroes and
ones.  Each of those zeroes and ones takes up file space.  Let's say
there's a particular file that looks like this:

101010111101101101101101111101101101010101110110110101101101

There's 60 characters in that file.  Let's say storage space is at a
premium so we want to shrink it down for storage.  If you noticed, there's
lots of repeated characters--pairs of "1"s for example.  With a compression
scheme, we can just tell the storage device that when it sees two "1"s in
succession, it should write an "M" character.  (A smarter compression
scheme would write "M" when it sees "101" but lets say we're not the best
software engineers) So now we have:

101010MM0M0M0M0M0MM10M0M0101010M10M0M010M0M01

That file contains exactly the same information as the first one, but it's
only 45 characters long, yielding a compression rate of 25%.  When we want
to read the file (to play it back, in the case of an audio file) the D/A
converter just puts "11" where it sees "M" and hey presto!  

101010111101101101101101111101101101010101110110110101101101

It's EXACTLY THE SAME as the original program content.  

We could even add another stage of compression where "MO" was replaced with
the character "F" and "10" was replaced with the character "L"

LLLMFFFFFMMLFFLLLMLFFLFF1

Yielding a file that is 25 characters long, etc.

What is happening with data compression is you are trading off CPU time for
storage space.  Since mass storage is pretty cheap, while CPU time is
increasingly at a premium, it's generally not a wise trade-off.  However,
there are specific applications (diskette-style storage media with
significant size limits--small diskette, thus small files) where it's
appropriate.

Cheers,

Scott
tanelorn@dimensional.com

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Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:34:41 -0800
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Vortex $290
Message-ID: <n1326923738.36314@msgate.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body"

LeXicon VoRTeX

Asking Price: US$290
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Lexicon Vortex:
       Low noise and lush sounds.(Quality excellent).
       Flange/Chorus/Phase/Vibrato, from subtle to bizarre with no
trace of digital weediness.

       $290 shipped to your door / obo.

Seller: Carl Conti,
E-mail: jgalt@city-net.com
Location: EAST LIBERTY, PA
Post Date: 1/19/98

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Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:43:41 -0800
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Boomerang $275
Message-ID: <n1326923186.67597@msgate.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body"

FS: Boomerang Phrase Sampler-$275

Asking Price: US$275
Condition: Mint
Age: N/A
Description:

       Floor unit- stores up to 30 secs of sampling (60 secs at lower
       fidelity). Start, stop, reverse switches. Absolutely awesome
       for practicing solos- just record a rhythm track and play
       for ever!!

       John Anderson

Seller: John Anderson, 914-268-1881
E-mail: johna@ucs.net
Location: CONGERS, NY
Post Date: 1/18/98

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Date: 19 Jan 1998 10:45:07 -0800
From: "Hartnett, Travis" <Hartnett#m#_Travis@msgate.apple.com>
To: "Loopers Delight postings" <loopers-delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: FS: Digitech Time Machine $100
Message-ID: <n1326923065.75719@msgate.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body"

Digi-Tech 7.6 For Sale or Trade

Asking Price: US$100
Condition: Excellent
Age: N/A
Description:

       Digi-Tech 7.6 digital delay / sampler. One space rack. Great
shape.
       ALL effect or synth trades considered.

Seller: atom smasher riben, 732-251-1810
E-mail: atom@icepop.straight-edge.com
Location: OLD BRIDGE, NJ
Post Date: 1/18/98

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:24:59 -0800
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade
Message-Id: <v03102806b0e831523ca0@[207.171.198.84]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 10:10 AM -0500 1/18/98, david friday wrote:
>dmgraph wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade?
>> Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that
>> they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45.  At the moment
>> I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities.
>> Kim?

info on the upgrade is on the Looper's Delight site:

http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/LoopIII_v5.html

kim

______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight
kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html
http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:48:40
From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." <pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: one-function MIDI pedal?
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Does anyone know if there exists a single pedal which sends a single
specific MIDI message?  After thinking about it, the only facility I need
that I can't do with the existing JM pedals is the Short Fade function.  Is
it possible to build one (easily)?

Failing that, Motley, if you're out there, are there any plans to produce a
Rang Mk 2, with a fade switch and tap (rather than hold) tempo?

Michael

BTW, anyone trying to get a Roland FC200, try quick - they've been
discontinued.
I know, I tried...   :(

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:48:14 EST
From: Takadimi <Takadimi@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Echoplex functions ?
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Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a
time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops
simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man.

								Gratefully,
									Todd

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 13:09:10 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Echoplex functions ?
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>Hey thanks for that info...I can't believe you can only play one loop at a
>time-bummer. I'm a drummer/perc. and need to play multiple loops
>simultaneously, so, I guess I'll continue my search for a Jam Man.

I didn't think that the JamMan would allow you to play multiple loops 
simultaneously.  For the oft-requested feature of multiple loops playing 
at the same time with controllable levels, I think you need multiple 
looping devices and a mixer.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:11:50 -0800
From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com
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Dave Stagner wrote...

>My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!!  Your
>looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone.

Good advice!

>I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in
>combination with an internal condenser microphone.  It's very good at
>sounding similar to an acoustic guitar.  Piezo pickups alone are terrible,
>i think.  They're missing "air".

That said... I have the same setup in a Taylor 812c. I've been "relatively" 
happy with the setup, but after having it for a couple of years, I've been able 
to A/B it with many external mics as well as soundhole pickup combos. The 
soundhole pickups physically occupy a spot I'd rather have empty. The pickups 
also sound sort of electric and don't pickup enough 'wood'. 

I'm beginning to feel that I might do well to place a McIntyre in various 
locations inside the body (starting under the treble side of the bridge plate) 
and see if it would be a suitable or better source than the Crown mini condenser
mic. The mic does add 'air' and I really dislike the piezo alone, even if it's 
eq'ed well. I'd probably check out the new B-Band undersaddle pickup with a 
McIntyre and see how the combo works.

I've also heard great results from the Trance Audio 'Acoustic Lens' soundboard 
pickups although I've played a couple guitars with those installed which really 
felt pretty dead and weighty. (Maybe not enough high end sparkle). I played Jeff
Traugott's home guitar with Trance in it though and it kicked my Taylor right 
out of the room!

-Miko

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:10:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
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gone, man

he's swapping it for some goofy pedal  

and I'm next in line if that goes sour    ;)


slapback on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tom

At 10:45 AM 1/19/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Digi-Tech 7.6 For Sale or Trade
>
>Asking Price: US$100
>Condition: Excellent
>Age: N/A
>Description:
>
>       Digi-Tech 7.6 digital delay / sampler. One space rack. Great 
>shape.
>       ALL effect or synth trades considered.
>
>Seller: atom smasher riben, 732-251-1810
>E-mail: atom@icepop.straight-edge.com
>Location: OLD BRIDGE, NJ
>Post Date: 1/18/98
>
>
>
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:21:04 -0800
From: Sean Echevarria <sechevar@california.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: one-function MIDI pedal?
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Try http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm - looks like it, with a
standard footswitch, will do what you want.  Also maybe the Anatek Pocket
Pedal - but recently discontinued and no info anywhere that I can find.  I
just ordered a Pocket Pedal from Washington Music Center - don't know how
many they have left.


At 07:48 PM 1/19/98, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if there exists a single pedal which sends a single
>specific MIDI message?  After thinking about it, the only facility I need

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