------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEM [ Kim Flint ] EFC-7 arrival ? [ "Raul Bonell Tomas" ] Electric Cello and Looping [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] Re: New to looping/processing [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Re: compression [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Re: freedom, syncing and quantizatio [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Pickups [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias ] RE:Time for digitech machine page [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Re: PMC-10 Midi Controller Pedal... [ Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) ] Re: New to looping/processing [ "Rich Lamphear" ] Robert Fripp in Montreal [ "Julia & Dave" ] Re: New to looping/processing [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Re: New to looping/processing [ "T.W. Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ANYONE KNOW THE MIDI PEDAL SCHEME FOR THE ECHOPLEX? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:02 PM -0500 1/19/98, ENAT21213 wrote: >Does any one know what the midi pedal scheme is for the echoplex?My jamman >goes somthing like this,1=tap,2 and 3=bypass,4 and 5=replace,6=overdub,7and >8=mute,9,10and11=fade,12=loop#one,13=loop#two,14=loop#three,15=loop#four, >16loop#five,17=loop#six,18=loop#seven,19=loop#eight.Is the echoplex midi pedal >scheme anything like this? It's not really like that, no. For one thing, it doesn't use program change messages for executing functions. (we expect to use program change in future versions for its intended purpose of changing programs......) The midi control in the echoplex is quite extensive, and it is all explained on the Looper's Delight website. Go to the echoplex page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html and check the link for the "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial." That has more info than you are likely to care about, including a whole section on midi pedals. There is also a FAQ on the echoplex, and the entire manual is also on the site. >The pedalboard for the echoplex looks like you have to scroll(tap) to get to a >prefered loop?Say I have the nine seperate loops filled,Im on loop# two and I >need to get to loop# nine do I have to scroll(tap) up to the ninth loop?I >would rather simply press one button per loop to get were I need to be.Im >using a ADA MC1 midi pedal. You can switch loops in the Echoplex in a variety of ways. The most basic way is scrolling, as you've noted, where each tap of the NextLoop button sends you to the next loop. With this one you have to listen to all of the ones in between, which might not be desireable. There are several different options which avoid that. If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Confirm" the echoplex will wait until you tell it to jump to the loop you want. So as you tap the NextLoop button the display shows which loop you are setting up to jump to, but you still hear the current loop. When you are at the one you want, you press the Undo switch to confirm it, and jump right there. (you can also press any function switch, so that you can jump to the new loop and immediately start another function.) This method is very convenient from the standard echoplex pedal. If you set the SwitchQuant parameter to "Cycle" the echoplex will wait until the end of the current cycle (quantizing) before switching loops. During the wait period before the end of the cycle, each tap of the NextLoop button increments the loop you are jumping to. So you tap the button enough times for it to show the loop you want to go to, and as soon as the cycle ends you jump right there. Again, if you press another function key, the echoplex will start that function as soon as you switch. This method is convenient for switching anywhere with the pedal, but also essential when you have to keep all of your loops playing in steady time. And last is switching with midi. Unlike the JamMan, the echoplex is more like a sampler in this respect. It uses Midi Notes or Continuous Controller messages for changing loops. If you have the velocity parameter turned on, the Echoplex will use the velocity info in the note on message (or the value of the controller) to set the volume of the loop you switch to. You jump directly to the loop you want by pressing it's associated Note/controller number. (you can set which notes/controllers it uses for the loops.) The parameter called "SamplerStyle" sets exactly how it reacts to the midi message. If it is set to "run" the echoplex jumps to the loop and keeps it looping in the normal fashion. If SamplerStyle is set to "One" the echoplex will trigger the loop from the beginning and play through one time and stop. Sending repeated messages for the same loop will give you stuttering or retriggering effects. And finally, if SamplerStyle is set to "Att" (for attack) the echoplex will trigger the loop and play it as long as the note is held down, which is like playing a sample from a keyboard controller. Again you can do retriggering effects. With the midi switching, the SwitchQuant parameter can also be on, and will act as described above with the NextLoop button. So as you can see, there are plenty of possibilites to cover just about any sort of use. As far as whether your ADA pedal will work, that I don't know since I'm not very familiar with that pedal. I suspect that Mr. T was not very ambitious with that one and just designed it to control the MP-1, which means it is probably a very limited pedal. There are a variety of better pedals out there, some of which can be picked up used for very little money. You might want to get something like a Digitech PMC-10, the Butler Midigator (I think it'll work, not sure), Roland FC-200, or maybe Rocktron AllAccess if you can afford it. The web site explains what to look for in a pedal for the echoplex. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:31:29 +0000 From: "Raul Bonell Tomas" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EFC-7 arrival ? Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain Tom- I am waiting since May/97. Is there any footswitch shipped to Spain ? (This is not private mail) Bye.Love.Raül. Tom wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:50 -0600 > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > From: Tom Spaulding > Subject: Re: New to looping/processing > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Rich- > > Footswitches are on the way to Thoroughbred and other reputable stocking > Oberheim dealers. (Reputable Stockings? Sounds like a Zappa tune...) I > would recommend getting an EDP, natch, and both Thoroughbred > (813-889-3874)and Bananas at Large (415-457-7600 ask for Rick)are excellent > sources for all things OB. Enjoy!! > > Tom Spaulding > Oberheim Product Manager > 1818 Elm Hill Pike > Nashville, TN 37210 > 800-777-0795 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:19:07 EST From: KelRey To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Echoplex syncing Message-ID: <14d8709d.34c4a44d@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim, Does holding down the parameter button on power up reintialize the Loop 5 version setting all parameters back to their original state. Thanks in advance Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:19:12 -0500 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Electric Cello and Looping Message-ID: <01BD2585.15F07480@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain Tell us some cello looping stories! When you say "electric cello," how electric do you get? Do you use fuzz, feedback, wah, pitchshifting, etc.? How do audiences react to an electric cello? What equipment do you use? What kinds of gigs do you play? I played cello when I was a kid and still dig the sound of it. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: erich kory[SMTP:erich@InterLinx.qc.ca] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 5:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! now that i see that everyone gets these messages........ i will introduce myself. i play electric cello and have been an addict of many things, the only remaining being looping. Started about 12 years ago with the digitech double footpedals and now with a combination of jamman and echoplex. Hooked up with Moszé Loredo- bass and sampling freak (made demo for the Akai samplers) and we're having some hot times up here in cold Quebec! Love to hook up with any recording projects that might need a little spice. i've been doing session work for many years and can play with just about anything. luv to all you crazy Loopers erich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:45:52 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-ID: <34C4C6B0.CE75BCDA@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Lamphear wrote: > Hi, > I'm an acoustic guitarist/singer/composer and I'm getting interested in the > concept of looping and processing the acoustic guitar. I'm intrigued with > the idea of extending my solo guitar and voice concept to incorporate new > sounds, textures, and rhythms via electronics. > > I've got a little money to throw at this (~$1500) and I'd like some advice > on how I might best spend the money. > > My idea is to install a decent quality pickup on my acoustic, something > that would maintain a reasonable amount of the acoustic guitar timbre > before sending it to processing. I've heard good things about the Sunrise > and McIntyre pickups for this type of application. > > The Echoplex Digital Pro seems the clear choice for a looper. Has > availability of these improved lately? (sorry if it's a faq, just joined > the list). I did phone Thoroughbred Music and they had three in stock, but > no pedalboards. > > In addition, I'd like a multifx box to do standard digital processing for > both the guitar and the voice. My main question revolves around the issue > of stereo processing. Do you really need 2 Echoplexes to get a decent > stereo sound happening? Do most people running stereo process first (add > reverb, flange, etc.) and then go into 2 Echoplexes? Or do people loop > first and then send the mono looped signal into a stereo processor and > output from there? > > My choices (for around $1500) seem to be: > 1) Echoplex mono into good quality multifx to stereo output. > 2) El cheapo multifx stereo output into 2 Echoplexes operating in sync. > > Any advice to help me think about this would be much appreciated. It sure > would be great to be able to do both the processing and looping in a single > box, but I don't think anything like that's on the market....correct? > > thanks, > Rich corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, barring you're short on equipment). Emu's from a couple of years age should be well within your price range by now, in fact you may even end up having a couple bucks left over to buy tape with! Echoplex's are fine and fun, but I really think there's a little bit too much emphasis being placed on how great the Echoplex really is here in Looper's Delight... No arguement here against how fun an Echoplex is, but as far as I' concerned, the Echoplex's user interface is far tooo Eco-com-plex for me, at least right now. Without spending mucho-dinero on processing equipment to clean up/fatten up the sound of your acoustic guitar before it hits the plex, I don't think you'll get what your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then drop some loot on an echoplex pro. Good luck navigating the stagnant waters of technology pro-bono-its a bad day to do decisions. :(): ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:48:33 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: compression Message-ID: <34C4C751.460BD63F@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > [computer types: this is an intentionally simplified explanation of data > compression. please don't castigate me for bitwise imprecision. otherwise > feel free to hate me for the mostly non-looping content!] > > Aha! did he kill this discussion yet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:53:46 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: freedom, syncing and quantization Message-ID: <34C4C88A.E5AF367B@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm still experimenting with it and still learning about the music and how I > relate to it and perform it. (and haven't had enough time for that, due to > all the testing.... :-) ) So what I do still sucks hard, basically. When I > do something that only sucks a little, I'd be happy to force you all to > listen to it.... > > kim If you're as thorough with this sucky music as you are with everything else, it probably doesnt suck... I for one am intersted in hering it, please. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:08:39 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pickups Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My first suggestion for acoustic looping is, GET GOOD PICKUPS!!! Your >looping tone is going to be no better than its raw tone. > >I have a Fishman Blender system that uses a piezo bridge pickup in >combination with an internal condenser microphone. It's very good at >sounding similar to an acoustic guitar. Piezo pickups alone are terrible, >i think. They're missing "air". If you listen on headphones, I agree. If you put them to speakers, you get the "air" between the speakers and the ear. With the mic, you get "air" twice. Reverb helps a lot to simulate "air", too. You can even use a parametric filter to simulate the body resonance, if you like that. But usually the oposit happens: To make the mic sound useable, you have to filter out the body resonance with a parametric filter. I use my piezos directly under the string, without any filtering, just reverb. It sounds neither accoustic nor electric nor plastic, but crystalic, clean, full and extremely dynamic. Microphones create feedback, grab noises, are expensive (if any good)... If a pickup sounds thin, the preamlification probably is not enough high impedance or to far away so the bass is eaten. If it sounds resonancy, weak, unequal, there usually is a mechanical short cirquit around the pickup - in other words the bridge transmits string vibrations to the body without passing through the pickup. If it sounds plastic, usually there is plasic between pickup and string. Matthias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:03:38 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:Time for digitech machine page Message-ID: <34C4CADA.F46C7C17@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Flint wrote: > At 3:22 PM -0800 1/19/98, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >KRosser414 asked: > >>appears to be capable of some great stuff, but I need a manual. Anyone > >>have one? I'd gladly pay for a xerox & postage... > > > > > >I've got their number at home, which I called when I got MINE - and got the > >manual FREE. > > hey, if someone wants to scan the manual, I'd be happy to put it on the > website. > > Also, lots of great info has been posted about this box. It would be great > if someone could complile it all into a FAQ for the Time Machine page. That > poor lonely page sure could use someone to take care of it! > > Just think of the fame and self promotion it would gain you... Looper's > Delight gets over 3000 hits a week. All those people looking at YOUR > handywork....imagine: the job offers come streaming in....overflowing bank > accounts....new home studio toys....parties with rock stars and super > models....it could all be yours, just for one measly web page..... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim... I love the Digitech Time Machine...... I love Music made with the digitech time machine.... I love the loopers delight web page.... I'm just not smart enough to post my own web page.... Sorry....:( I had to be good at something and it wasn't computers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:27:48 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 Midi Controller Pedal... Message-ID: <00078E43.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello all, and Kim! After our recent discussion of how great the PMC-10 floor pedal is. (I mentioned somewhere in there that I've had a few unexpected resets which marooned me in various locations... sessions, gigs etc.) Weellll... I had a reset last night. Lost mucho deep programmed stuff for my IPS33B, JamMan, LXP-15II, GX-700, GCX Expander. I've had trouble with restoring backups before so I've become complacent or is it resigned? I had no current backup. That said... I began rapidly re-programming and lo and behold. I'm way more organized, and my patches and banks now reflect my current way of thinking! Wow... I never would have done the work of reorganizing my huge rats nest of info had I not crashed! It's a funny world isn't it? Maybe a few less bits and bytes in memory will tax my PMC-10 less. ***I After a reset, I'm almost always curious about what else it out there to manage my Midi... There has been a recent thread about syncing and Plex Midi control where Kim mentioned other OK floor peds. The FC-200 was one. If one of us owns one could you possibly go into detail about it's ability to manage controller changes and other midi functions? Peace... -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:44:49 -0500 From: "Rich Lamphear" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980120114449.00701b20@mail1.hbsp.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, >barring you're short on equipment). But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex and JamMan?) I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. >your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a >Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them >around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still >aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then drop >some loot on an echoplex pro. Thanks for the advice, and I haven't ruled out the JamMan. It's just that the prices of JamMen seem to be getting bid into the stratosphere (the last three for sale at Rogue Music's auction have all gone for over $500). At that price I figure I'll spend a couple more bills and get the added functionality and memory of the Echoplex. Not to mention the nice pedalboard. BTW, NAMM is coming up...any rumors of new loopers on the horizon? Dare we ask? Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:47:09 GMT From: erich kory To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electric Cello and Looping Message-Id: <199801201147.LAA20604@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain At 08:19 PM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >Tell us some cello looping stories! Nice of you to ask. I started improvising about 12 years ago after playing classical for most of my life. I was play "Dream Girls" on Broadway and noticed all the regular pop musicians were having a ball, and the string players were falling asleep......... When you say "electric cello," how electric do you get? Do you use fuzz, feedback, wah, pitchshifting, etc.? Yes, All of the above, but not all the time. I like to save the strong effects for the right time, for example, I do an hommage to the Iraq "War" that starts with a pizzacato loop and i play over that gentil arabic melodies (like they chant at the mosques), the melodies start to get more agitated, i bring in some delays and start screaming, the loop cuts out and i go into a hendrix type distortion/delay that sometimes ends with the star spangeled banner.......then i bring back the pizz loop, but the melody has changed, it's more grotesque and sad. How do audiences react to an electric cello? The cello is an instrument very close to all of us. The size is the same, the voice, it goes into the heart of people...........when it's elctrified and effected it just gets more powerful.... What equipment do you use? I am trying to reduce my set up all the time. Now i use just a Roland SE70, Jamman, Echo-Plex and Mackie 1202 with a Ground Control MIDI footpedal. (Have a VS-880 here at home and have played some live shows with that and jamman) What kinds of gigs do you play? I play a lot of solo shows, mostly in Europe and here in Quebec. Dance and theatre too. Here in Quebec i'm playing in a pop orianted band thats using lots of live looping with the cello, voice and digital drums.hot slap bass and we're starting to get into interactive lights and sound triggering. If anyone out there knows about good intrtactive systems other than Demension Beam, please let me know. Nice to be in touch with you guys........... erich@interlinx.qc.ca, web page: http://kspace.com/kory >I played cello when I was a kid and still dig the sound of it.---- Never too late to try it again!(especially plugged in!) > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >---------- >From: erich kory[SMTP:erich@InterLinx.qc.ca] >Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 5:55 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! > >now that i see that everyone gets these messages........ > >i will introduce myself. > >i play electric cello and have been an addict of many things, the only >remaining being looping. Started about 12 years ago with the digitech >double footpedals and now with a combination of jamman and echoplex. > >Hooked up with Moszé Loredo- bass and sampling freak (made demo for the Akai >samplers) and we're having some hot times up here in cold Quebec! > >Love to hook up with any recording projects that might need a little spice. >i've been doing session work for many years and can play with just about >anything. > >luv to all you crazy Loopers > >erich > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:54:31 -0500 From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Robert Fripp in Montreal Message-Id: <199801201650.LAA08861@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just saw Robert Fripp last night. Great show, although he started way ahead of schedule. I was glad to hear the Roland GR-300 guitar synth was still being used by Mr. Fripp, but I just wish the idiots seated in front of me could have shut up for at least five minutes. I gave Mr. Fripp a copy of my last CD during the "question period" and he plugged it :) We were also treated to a preview of "Projekt 2", but the true highlight remained his excellent live set, which many people enjoyed with eyes closed, and heads down in humble communion... Some people were a bit rude during the question period, these of course being the soul-less guitar "technicians" and all-round reactionairies, but nonetheless, Mr. Fripp answered in a most diplomatic and respectful manner. A true Gentleman. Cheers, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.interlog.com/~stained/feedback/othprint/kristian.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:18:37 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-ID: <34C4DC6D.B2A37EA9@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Lamphear wrote: > At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a > >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, > >barring you're short on equipment). > > But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to > looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex > and JamMan?) > > I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not > interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. > > >your looking for out of this unit... I would recommend getting a hold of a > >Jam Man w/ full memoery and both footswitches first, there are plenty of them > >around on this list. If you are fully comfortable w/ the Jam Man, and still > >aren't getting what you want from this box( which is mono- a vortex) then > drop > >some loot on an echoplex pro. > > Thanks for the advice, and I haven't ruled out the JamMan. It's just that > the prices of JamMen seem to be getting bid into the stratosphere (the last > three for sale at Rogue Music's auction have all gone for over $500). At > that price I figure I'll spend a couple more bills and get the added > functionality and memory of the Echoplex. Not to mention the nice pedalboard. > > BTW, NAMM is coming up...any rumors of new loopers on the horizon? Dare we > ask? > > Rich I understand what it is you're looking to do, and I have known a number of people who've used Emu samplers live to great successes... but they usually worked for months ahead of time creating their own samples in a studio environment, then blending the pre-prepared samples with live sound..... as far as new loopers, I think I heard somebody say something about Lexicon doing something.... It only makes sense, If the JamMan is discontinued and currently is gaining value on the used market at an astrnomical rate why wouldn't lexicon want to create a "new" technology to counteract Oberheim's success with the Echo-complex? I don't know anything about all that bs, this punk kid is cuttin out. Nice talking with you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:34:54 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: <199801201734.JAA10802@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >as far as new loopers, I think I heard somebody say something about >Lexicon doing something.... Someone directly queried Lexicon, and the answer was "We don't comment on rumors". I do remember one of the ex-Lex employees on the list saying something to the effect that the phrase "JamMan upgrade" was a sure way to send a roomfull of Lexicon employees into hysterical laughter. >It only makes sense, If the JamMan is >discontinued >and currently is gaining value on the used market at an astrnomical rate why >wouldn't lexicon want to create a "new" technology to counteract Oberheim's >success with the Echo-complex? Because many people waited until the JamMan (and the Vortex) was discontinued and being blown-out at deep discount before buying one. That's not the sort of sales record that inspires companies to invest in new technology. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Rich Lamphear wrote: > At 10:45 AM 1/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > corret I suppose, if you don't like samplers and sequencers... cause a > >sampler w/ a fair amount of memory could do everything you need ( i believe, > >barring you're short on equipment). > > But I'm not aware of a sampler that allows for real-time overdubbing to > looped audio while it's playing...is there any such thing (besides Echoplex > and JamMan?) > > I'm only interested in what I can generate live in real-time...not > interested in sequencing anything ahead of the performance. If you feel like dealing with a computer (a Mac), the software sampler LiSa will do all this stuff and more. Checkout a demo at www.xs4all.nl. Dan --------------------------------