------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] ooops [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) [ Kim Flint ] Re: some torn live stuff [ "Matt McCabe" ] Re: New to looping/processing [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." ] Stick/Loop Show [ PMimlitsch ] Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) [ Paolo Valladolid ] Re: New to looping/processing [ Sean Echevarria ] Re: digitech phone number???? for ma [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] can't find an echoplex in Toronto ar [ Steve Cowan ] Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) [ Kim Flint ] Bay Area Event Saturday! [ cstecker@ovenguard.com (Chris Steck ] Re: can't find an echoplex in Toront [ Jeff Duke ] music you dont hear on the radio [ Jeff Duke ] Re: some torn live stuff [ Stew Benedict ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:42:29 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-ID: <34C65DB5.AA3892C9@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis Bahn wrote: > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of > personal sound design and performance interaction. > crb > hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect its a bit over my head. I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:03:44 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: ooops Message-ID: <34C662B0.A81368DE@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ooops. please disregard my message regarding LiSa... I don't have a mac. but, is there anything like this for my PC.... there we go, valid question:> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:23:41 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980121212341.00caa8e4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:42 PM 1/21/98 -0500, innerspace@mediaone.net wrote: > > >Curtis Bahn wrote: > >> Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily >> design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> personal sound design and performance interaction. >> crb >> > >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? In the case of David Z's Max objects, you may be out of luck. Max is a Macintosh program. (and a truly awesome and ridiculously useful one at that.) Last I heard there were no serious plans to port it to PC. Don't know about LiSa. Oh, and if you don't know who David Zicarelli is, pretty much anything he's ever been involved with is likely to be great. (except maybe g-wiz, he worked there for a brief time near the end, but not long enough to do anything good.) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:31:12 -0800 From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: some torn live stuff Message-Id: <199801212118.NAA11814@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Texture444 > 3/1, l.a.: solo concert @ mccabes, in santa monica. Hmmm....too bad I'm not related to those McCabes. I guess I could fake it. Free tickets to everyone on Looper's Delight...just tell 'em Matt sent you!! :-) Matt McCabe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:50:43 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980121235043.1eb7159c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >if he's talking about feedback than it does it. I spent about 6 hours with >my 508 yesterday, damn nice piece for a measily 100 bucks. Wow! It does? THis is a big problem with the 508 - the literature and reviews are most non-loop-oriented, so one never finds out exactly what it does. Would anyone care to do a comprehensive review and post in on the LD webpage? >Do you have any info on the MIDI solutions pedal? Try www.midisolutions.com The pedal costs $100 and is programmed via SysEx messages. Or they'll preprogram it for $20. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:05:37 -0800 From: Ray Peck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: LiSa Message-Id: <199801220005.QAA02049@fracture.lizard.net> Just looked in on the list for the first time in a *long* while, and thought I'd chime in with something helpful for a change. . . In the same ballpark as LiSa is Generator, from Native Instruments. It's *much* more flexible than LiSa. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten the ADC module to work yet, and they're not sure what's wrong. . . so I haven't tried the looping capabilities yet. Anyway, (assuming they can get the problem fixed), you can do things like create 8 synced stereo loopers, with changable ratios of loop lengths (e.g., one loop looping in 5 and one in 7), with the ratio and levels and record state of each controlled by yer Peavey 1600 MIDI fader box. Sync them to a set of virtual sequencers each driving a virtual MiniMoog. Save and restore setups for each song to disk. Etc. Imagine the Peavey 1600 fader box set up with 8 pairs of faders, one pair for each looper. Left fader of the pair controls how long the loop is, continuously or in beats (whichever you like), right one controls level. Left button turns on record when the next beat comes around. Looper automatically stops recording when the set loop length or number of beats is over (no more trying to tap just at the right moment.) Right button mutes the channel (or whatever you want). As much loop memory as yer PC has (yeah I know, I'm a Mac fan, too). Throw in real-time processing on each of the loops, as well (e.g., chorusing, stereo crossfades, FM between two signals, whatever). I haven't messed with my faderbox enough to know, but it seems like you could set it up to switch between a number of sets of midi channel assignments, so you could flip the faderboard between controlling the loops, and controlling the processing, as you were performing. http://www.native-instruments.de/ I'll let folks know once I've got it working. ------------- Note: my email address is hacked as an anti-spam measure. Please remove the 'no-spam-' to reply to me. Sorry for the inconvenience. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "New music is not a style, it is a quality" - Robert Fripp, as scratched in the Sacred Songs LP runout grooves ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:13:19 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com Subject: Stick/Loop Show Message-ID: <3805645a.34c68f28@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain "Explorations in Time and Space" - an evening of Soundscapes and Improvisations w/Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman StickŪ/Loops) and J. Jody Janetta (Percussion/Loops/Treated Voice). Day/Date-Sat. Jan. 24th. Place-Cafe Seattle (354-2220), Haddonfield, New Jersey. (The corner of Haddon and Redman). Time-8:00pm to closing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-Id: <199801212138.NAA25353@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Curtis Bahn wrote: > > > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX > > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily > > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other > > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away > > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of > > personal sound design and performance interaction. > > crb > > > > hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about > this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect > its a bit over my head. > I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is > this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? Since you have a PC and not a Mac, maybe you should check out Kyma/Capybara by Symbolic Sound. The beauty of Kyma/Capybara is that it runs on a separate box loaded with DSPs instead of directly on your computer so it doesn't rob processing time from your computer. The computer mainly serves as a controller for the box. Symbolic Sound just started offering a PCMIA card so that you can run Kyma on a laptop. I don't know if it has looping/overdubbing functions like the Echoplex but maybe it's worth a look. The URL is http://www.symbolicsound.com/ BTW, Kyma runs on both Macs and PCs. Capybara is the DSP box. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:35:33 -0400 From: Curtis Bahn To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Curtis Bahn wrote: > >> Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can easily >> design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> personal sound design and performance interaction. >> crb >> > >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you >wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I >suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How >hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? Unfortunately you need a powerpc macintosh to run MAX/MSP. On Intel machines, I don't know of anything that is as powerful, general and inexpensive as MAX/MSP for simple, graphical development of interactive audio processing. Some possibilities may be "Pure Data and GEM" which would run under windows NT - and allows realtime video/graphics processing as well as digital sound processing, or, the MARS digital audio workstation environment which has a max-like graphical programming environment as a "front-end" to a very powerful audio engine (you could loop for hours on this thing, filtering, reversing, scrubbing, reverberating etc. and all you would have to cart around would be one computer instead of racks of gear.) Information on these developments, and other musical software of varying degrees of interest to loopers, are listed on my software resources page at the Electronic Music Foundation - http://www.emf.org/sites/software.html. I'll continue to add to this page as new software for performance becomes available. cheers, crb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Bahn iEAR Studios, DCC 135 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York, 12180 office (518) 276-4032 fax (518) 276-4780 email crb@rpi.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:32 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980121150932.00a615b0@global.california.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:50 PM 1/21/98, Michael P. Hughes wrote: >>Do you have any info on the MIDI solutions pedal? > >Try www.midisolutions.com The pedal costs $100 and is programmed via SysEx >messages. Or they'll preprogram it for $20. Check out http://www.midi-classics.com/hardm.htm#53 for discounted pricing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:53:36 -0800 From: Sean Echevarria To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE:www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980121125336.00a81eb0@global.california.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As PC users, you and I are out of luck unless MAX gets ported from Mac :( At 03:42 PM 1/21/98 -0500, innerspace@mediaone.net wrote: >hey there... I'm new to PC...home PC that is, recording. What you wrote about >this site and these programs is way too interesting to pass up... but I suspect >its a bit over my head. >I've got a P2 266/mmx w/ 6gb, and a few years experience in a studio. How hard is >this? I don't think I'm dumb, I should be able to figure it out. Any advice? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS-8000 Message-ID: <980121211834_1363974257@mrin53> just wondering if there are any differences (other than rack mountness) between the RDS-8000 & the PDS-8000. I love my Jamman & Oberheim DEP, but consistantly find myself groovin on the lo-res loopsound of the PDS-8000 & especially the Electro Harmonix super replay! >>>thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:49:39 EST From: Fmplautus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa Message-ID: <4d316eaf.34c6fa15@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks John: Our powerbook won't work but we'll download the software for the 7100. Great stuff. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:15:22 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: digitech phone number???? for manuals Message-Id: <199801211615.IAA6731202@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >how does one reach digitech (i know, i'm lazy, but it's easier to ask >rather than swim thru the voice mail/menu stuff. no time) - > >i need a time mach manual , fro the fun of it, if they're free. They're no longer free. According to Digitech: "Thanks for your request. We are currently working on putting all DigiTech owners manuals on the web site. Unfortunately we don't have a format that can be read by both formats (IBM and Apple). In the mean time, you can receive a manual by sending $5 cashiers check or money order to: HARMAN MUSIC GROUP 8760 SO. SANDY PKWY SANDY, UT. 84070 ATTN: KIMM" Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:46:11 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-Id: <199801211845.KAA11158@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Travis: >>What do you mean by a "fade" function? > >A way of dropping the feedback level. The JM has three non-unity feedback >settings - "short","medium" and "long" fades. Unfortunately, they're only >available via MIDI which rather hampers operation, hence my search to find >a pedal which activates one of the Fades. BTW, thanks to everyone who >responded about the MIDI pedal - I think the MIDIsolutions pedal looks ideal. There's a feedback parameter that you can edit on the Zoom. Travis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:58:33 EST From: Marzzz To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kyma (was: www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-ID: <3405dcd8.34c6c3ef@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/98 6:36:58 PM, Paolo wrote: >Since you have a PC and not a Mac, maybe you should check out Kyma/Capybara >by Symbolic Sound. The beauty of Kyma/Capybara is that it runs on a >separate box loaded with DSPs instead of directly on your computer so it >doesn't rob processing time from your computer. The computer mainly serves >as a controller for the box. Symbolic Sound just started offering a >PCMIA card so that you can run Kyma on a laptop. I don't know if it has >looping/overdubbing functions like the Echoplex but maybe it's worth a look. >From what I know about the Kyma system, it should be able to perform looping and overdubbing functions in real time, it is extremely flexible.....the only downside is that a system would cost a little over $4000 right now, but then again that isn't so bad if you compare it to an Eventide..... Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:12:19 -0500 From: Steve Cowan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: sc@magic.ca Subject: can't find an echoplex in Toronto area Message-ID: <34C6AB01.4A24@magic.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anybody else having similar problems? Any suggestions where to go, or why have they been on back order at the major stores for over 6 months? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:35:46 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: www-cycling74 wow.:) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:38 PM -0800 1/21/98, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> Curtis Bahn wrote: >> >> > Also check out MSP, David Zicarelli's signal processing extensions to MAX >> > at http://www.cycling74.com. If you have a powerpc computer you can >>easily >> > design custom looping and overdubbing algorithms (amoung many other >> > things). It's great ! Programs like MSP and LiSa are taking looping away >> > from the restrictions of commercial hardware, to a whole new level of >> > personal sound design and performance interaction. >> > crb One thing kind of troubling about the computer based systems for real-time use is the latency problems. (meaning the time it would take for audio to be sent in and sent back out again.) On the MSP site some typical latencies are actually listed as: Audio input to audio output latency on a 9600/300: Using the Digidesign Audiomedia III: 46ms Using the Sound Manager: 294ms that's definitely in the range where you would notice it in some situations, especially with looping and trying to maintain precise grooves. And this is on a very fast (and expensive) system! I know that PC's suffer from the same problem. The audio has to go through a lot of operating system to get to where it's useable, and a lot more operating system to get out again. So those of you using systems like these for real-time audio I/O, how do you deal with that? Are you able to operate it with any timing precision for real-time audio events? And I don't mean hard disk recording where the system has opportunities to compensate for the latency. I mean audio really going in and out, like you might have on a typical stand alone audio processor. Anyone? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:48:25 -0800 From: cstecker@ovenguard.com (Chris Stecker) To: analogue@hyperreal.org, snuggles@kuci.org, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bay Area Event Saturday! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attention Bay Area AH'ers, snugglers, and loopers: you may be interested in the event below. Plenty of your fellow analogue enthusiasts, experimental sound-collage artists and loop freaks will be performing, and having a great time. Come on out and meet us! Apologies, of course, to those not local to the Bay Area, or not interested. -Chris ------ AirSickBags Omnimedia+(NOISIA) & Ovenguard Music Present: [OMNIMEDIA v.03] ~An Evening of Overlapping Experimental Electronic Mayhem~ Featuring electronic musicians, visual artists, and modifyers of technology in a massive train wreck of son-optic proportions. Saturday, January 24th, 8pm-1:30am @ cell 2050 Bryant St, between 18th/19th $7-10 slide (all proceeds benefit the cell video projector fund!) come early, there's a lot to see/hear ******electronix musicians: Space Mesa-gourmet blend of sauteed samples gently tossed on a crisp bed of vintage analogs, served with fresh-baked beats moderately sprinkled with freshly-filtered reverb univac&modrn-mind-controlled drum machines, modified toys, proximity detector, powerbook, and analog madness Gustavo and His MetaGraph-multi-armed, multi-output turntable, minimalism through 16mm Bran Flakes-Fractured Fragmented Formatted Flavor, featuring Rev. Otis F. Odder, Das (of Big City Orchestra) and Phineas Narco Wobbly-the workers' movement unites with the looming spectre of children's stories for a twisted march toward a brighter, wobblier tomorrow Involution-The "Hall & Oates" of experimental noise return from their travels east with tantalizing textures and sizzling soundbits for a rare San Francisco appearance Wet Gate-multiple 16mm projector foundsoundsource collage ******electronix installations: Wild Vectors-examine stark naked system software up-close and personal. Presented LIVE in ACTION! -for your viewing pleasure, by Chris de Monterey and Mike Kan Memory Tank-languid dreams projected like memory onto your frontal lobes; an audiovisual representation constructed by David Washington Peter King-life-sized analog fractals, step on up! Dan Doerner-Visual Sampling; Projections of Digital Art & Animation...courtesy of Steinberg's Expose EyeTribe-live multisource kaleidoscopic video degeneration Imaja-the creator of "Bliss Paint" Greg Jalbert mixes up some algorithmic goo for your visual pleasure OptikalNutraSweet-a bucket of slides and a barrowful of 16mm PLUS: Drive the Video Feedback Tractor!! info: univac@sirius.com, cstecker@ovenguard.com All acts and exhibits embrace the tenet of Trickle-Down Technology: The tech you covet today, you'll find at a swap meet or garage sale tomorrow... ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:58:51 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: sc@magic.ca CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: can't find an echoplex in Toronto area Message-ID: <34C7266A.35411A45@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, I just got a catalog in the mail from Thoroughbred Music,out of Forida.They have the Echoplex for sale at 639.95 w\12.5 sec.They can be called at 800.800.4654,or e-mailed at sales@tbred-music.com,they also have the 508 pedal for 99.00. Jeff sr. Steve Cowan wrote: > Is anybody else having similar problems? Any suggestions where to go, > or why have they been on back order at the major stores for over 6 > months? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:46:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: music you dont hear on the radio Message-ID: <34C696E8.988DEE85@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had to pass this on,I just found out that wrek,a local collage station is in ra.well,just check it out!Ive listened to this station for 20 yrs.(no wonder!)Jeff Duke sr.http://www.gatech.edu/wrek/wrek.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: some torn live stuff Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been meaning to mention I've recently been enjoying "Polytown", thanks to a lead from this group. David, if you're listening, this is awesome stuff! Does anyone have any leads on other Torn titles? I find "Cloud About Mercury" everywhere, been scouring closeouts and used shops and found "Door X" once, but someone swiped the CD from the jewel case. The combo of Torn, Karn, and Bozzio on "Polytown" is absolutely amazing. Stew Benedict --------------------------------