------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: Re: "Door X" worth checking out [ Jeff Duke ] I can't find CDR870 information [ David White ] Re: digitech RDS-8000 [ PMimlitsch ] Re: New to looping/processing [ Mark Sottilaro ] Re:door X [ Malhomme Olivier ] Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/pro [ Os ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ Jeff Duke ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ Kim Flint ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ Kim Flint ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ ZeplinSoup ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ Jeff Duke ] Re: looping over the Internet - one [ Kim Flint ] midi cable lenght induced latnecy? [ ZeplinSoup ] Re: midi cable lenght induced latnec [ Kim Flint ] RE: Hello... [ Grover Sheffield To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: "Door X" worth checking out Message-ID: <34C7C42A.C006216D@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Travis,Door x,while not Cloud About Mercury was a great album(yes I have the vinyl)Torn is one of the great loopers of our time(whoa, profundity!).The vocals were a surprise to me but I wish that I could sing like that! Jeff Duke sr. T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >However, I hated Door X. Trite rock music with none of what I > >consider Torn's distinctive stylings. I think I remember singing. > >It's on Windham Hill, which used to be an OK label, but not known for > >their rock music. > > I'd seen "Door X" slammed for years, but hadn't been able to find a copy > to complete my Torn collection. Recently I found one, and I like it. If > you don't like the singing, skip every other track, but I had no problem > with the vocals. > > In no way would I describe this as "trite rock music". > > Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:53:33 -0500 From: David White To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I can't find CDR870 information Message-Id: <98Jan22.155535est.18817@thicket.arbortext.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was discussed recently. Does anyone know if this Philips made analog/digital input capable CD R/RW recorder is available for sale in the US? Where? Any other brand names with equivs in the same price range? Tanks, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:19:45 EST From: PMimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: digitech RDS-8000 Message-ID: <272b12be.34c7c603@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/98 2:55:38 AM, you wrote: <> The main difference between the PDS and RDS 8000s, I've found, is not in the physical features (knobs/settings etc) but in the decay of the repeated/looped signal. Seems that the decay on the RDS is a little longer than that of the PDS when both are at 8 sec.delay. - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: New to looping/processing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, For what the JamMan does for the money it sold for ($350 new) it was a great product and nothing touched it or touches it for anywhere near that price. On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, T.W. Hartnett wrote: > >I think (and we could do this to death) that unless you're _really_ going > >to get into looping (and get an EDP), the JM was just too expensive at its > >original price. Sound quality apart, most people don't want a helluvalot > >more functionality than the Zoom 508. If it had more memory and a "fade" > >function, I'd trade my JM for a 508!!! > > What do you mean by a "fade" function? > > Travis Hartnett > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:03:05 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Torn and Door X -- an apology Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980123000305.006ae16c@mail.interagp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Based on the positive reactions which Door X got earlier today on this list, I dug up my old copy and listened to it again, and it was *much* better than I remembered (although I still prefer his more experimental work). Thanks for the admonishments which got me to listen to it again. I also noticed a couple of listings for it at www.gemm.com, a clearinghouse for various new and used CD dealers. They also had the oop CMP albums, at ridiculously high prices. There is a web site on Torn at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/, although it doesn't appear to have been updated lately. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:14:03 -0500 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: David Torn loop CDs Message-ID: <199801230214_MC2-305B-1413@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline okay, talking about DoorX and Torn's other CDs - maybe not everyone on the list is aware of Torn's awesome loop CDs 'Tonal Textures' and 'Pandora's Toolbox'. The Tonal Textures cover says: >Unusual sonic landscapes and unique >atmospheres for use as musical >backgrounds in multi-media, >film scoring, composition, >and music production. About Pandora's Toolbox, Torn wrote, >'pandora' is a bit different: >much more material than t.t., >so it had to be set-up a little more >efficiently for sampling-peoples. The problem with these 2 CDs is that they're not regular audio CDs (although they can be played on regular CD players) but supposed to be sample CDs - they are available from Q-Up Arts (check their website) for a *very* high price which kept me from buying Pandora's Toolbox, but I spent the money for Tonal Textures because Torn played it before his 'Slipping over God' solo concert and I immediately fell in love with it. Very beautiful, you'll sure like it if you are into, say, Enoesque atmospheres. Definitely recommended stuff. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 1998 10:36:56 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: FS: JamMan $350 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" lexicon jamman / micro moog / juno 60/ mackie 1202 Asking Price: US$350 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: i am wanting to sell the following equipment: Lexicon Jamman - $350.00 (phrase sampler / delay) Micro Moog - $200.00 (single voice analog synth) Mackie 1202 - $300.00 (12 channel mixing board) Roland Juno 60 - $200.00 (analog synth) all work great...contact either by phone or e-mail for further info... ph - 702-322-7986 (ask for vance) e-mail - dvinn@usa.net Seller: vance christiaens, 702-322-7986 E-mail: dvinn@usa.net Location: RENO, NV Post Date: 1/22/98 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 1998 11:29:08 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" To: "Loopers Delight postings" Subject: FS: Vortex Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" FS: Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Good Age: 3 months Description: Lexicon Vortex A few scratches. Power supply, footswitch, and manual included. Please email serious bids to jfm3@acm.org. Seller: Joe Miklojcik, 7324453026 E-mail: jfm3@acm.org Location: SOMERSET, NJ Post Date: 1/21/98 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:06 +0000 From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Message-ID: <34C86972.5B9F9061@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Trueman wrote: > > OK, I found the specific link you need: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/lisa.html > > Pretty cool; I've used it a lot in performance. It has never crashed, > and it is quite flexible... You can download a demo from them. Got a friend with a Power Mac to download this & we had a play last night. Very impressed! I'm sure it has loads of possibilities I haven't even thought of yet. Achieved a nice effect by having a 20 second sample buffer with three overlapping zones, all recording (looping with 90% feedback), and also a zone covering the whole buffer playing it at double and half speed. I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. If it had more inbuilt DSP effects, or you could run it alongside Cubase VST, I think my friend would buy it. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:17 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:door X Message-ID: <34C878F3.7DA2@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, a litle word about door X I consider a good album. It is certainly song oriented (is that bad) and a piece like the second track with M. Karn on bass is (to me) a jewel... This has the exact value of 2 cents Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:20:01 -0700 From: William Moyer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: JamMan $350 Message-ID: <34C86EC7.72EB770C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm interested in the Jamman . Does it have the memory upgrade? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:22:58 -0500 From: Darcy Clark To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. Hmmmm... I've abused it for literally 100s, maybe 1000s of hours, without a single crash. > If it had more inbuilt DSP effects, or you could run it alongside Cubase > VST, I think my friend would buy it. Did you try running it along with Cubase? It runs in the background nicely with Director (also playing lots of audio) or Max. Also, the Patterns offer a wide variety of customizable, albeit crude, effects that can really mangle stuff. Fun... Cheers, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:51:43 -0500 From: Rich Rath To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980123105143.00d13a60@mail.dev-com.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I used to mess around with reel-to-reels in the late seventies to try to get looping echoes...A friend had a deck with the record and playback heads widely separated and you could get about a 3/4 sec. delay that could either build up by using a physically looped tape or get just one feedback cycle on a regular tape. The one-cycle version would feed the playback head signal back into the record signal instantly and let you play along with a delay. But because the playback head was a couple of inches away, you would get a 3/4 second latency time between when you played a note and when you heard it. This had a very peculiar effect--It was like you were constantly playing off of somebody elses riffs (which were in fact what you just played) while never actually hearing your own playing playing against a 3/4 sec echo of itself...It was annoying for a while, but the mind is a curiously adaptable thing, I think, and I found that I would play more thoughtfully in some respects--it helped me become more aware of the listening and thinking parts of playing, and the timing offset (i.e., latency) made interesting loopish connections happen...Alas it was my wealthy army brat friend's deck, and he moved away... Rich Rath At 12:22 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet >jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and >by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All >we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > >>Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >>latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >>with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >>seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... :..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::.. :.::.. rcr@way.net :..::.:.::.. http://way.net :..::. :..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::..:..::.:.::.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:04:00 +0000 From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LiSa (was Re: New to looping/processing) Message-ID: <34C8BF70.47DBA06D@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Trueman wrote: > > > > > I have to say though that the demo version crashed repeatedly. > > Hmmmm... I've abused it for literally 100s, maybe 1000s of hours, > without a single crash. So we see the difference between buying hardware and buying software... you never know quite what the software will do for you, because there are so many other variables. The thing that seemed to crash it was manually releasing the midi sustain on a channel (by clicking on the green box). But I don't want to put people off - it's a fantastic bit of software. -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:35:00 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-ID: <34C90D03.1850A304@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small g) Jeff Duke sr. Darcy Clark wrote: > It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet > jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and > by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All > we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > > >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE > >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed > >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 > >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... > > Darcy Clark > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Materials Science and Engineering Department > University of Michigan > Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 > USA > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Room 2130, Dow Building > Phone (734) 764 3377 > Fax (734) 763 4788 > E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ > http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:59:46 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980123215946.0094b800@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We were working on this idea at g-wiz several years ago. It's an interesting concept, with some unique challenges and possibilities. Unfortunately, most of the people working on it got fired right about the time they were about to produce some initial demos, so nothing came of it. Gibson never had a clue what they lost when they did that. too bad.... kim At 04:35 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about >jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small >g) >Jeff Duke sr. >Darcy Clark wrote: > >> It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet >> jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and >> by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All >> we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) >> >> >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE >> >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed >> >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 >> >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... >> ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:46:53 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124014653.00ce3ce4@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:26 PM 1/23/98 -0500, Jeff Duke wrote: >the future of the direction and >possibilities are ultimately up to the ones who go ahead with or without any >support. That pretty much defines all of the developments that have happened with looping up to this point. Certainly all the ones I've been involved with. Hasn't exactly been a get-rich-quick scheme.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:20:29 EST From: ZeplinSoup To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit last year sometime I think Cakewalk music software,in collaboration with thunder fingers himself (John Entwitsle) sp huh oh well..anyway they did the first Live Internet Jam using ISDN lines in two remote locations.sorry guys I had a magazine article somewhere---I just looked for it ---that had a midi internet jam with many people. we have seen some pretty amazing music technology which is very new.I am thrilled with possibilies---like wouldnt it be cool to control stage lighting effects via midi and midi sequencing so that colors swirl and undulate in precision with the music.Some very starling performances to a future surprised ( dessert anyone?) audience as I am convinced that art + music will be one of the next frontiers.... Reeve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:53:49 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-ID: <34C91F7D.65BB21FB@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow I can see it now;a loop heard round the world(sorry).But really the delay(latencies) could be the beauty of the thing!It could be recorded from different points around the world and then mixed in various ways by all concerned.Tell me it could'nt be done,no don't. Jeff Jeff Duke wrote: > I have been pondering how this could be accomplished myself.I have heard about > jamming with midi over the internet but audio?hmmm,maybe bandwith is god(small > g) > Jeff Duke sr. > Darcy Clark wrote: > > > It occurs to me that looping would be particularly suited to internet > > jamming, as latency could be accommodated by using longish loop times, and > > by only adding contributions to the loop at the start of the next loop. All > > we need now is a TCP/IP-aware Jamman upgrade !!! ;) > > > > >Some people of been exploring the musical possibilities of HUGE > > >latencies through internet jams. Last month some folks in NYC jammed > > >with some other folks in Japan where latencies where up around 10 > > >seconds, at least! It's a feature, not a bug... > > > > Darcy Clark > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Materials Science and Engineering Department > > University of Michigan > > Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 > > USA > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Room 2130, Dow Building > > Phone (734) 764 3377 > > Fax (734) 763 4788 > > E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu > > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 > > http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ > > http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ > > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:04 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping over the Internet - one day hopefully ! Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124031004.008d1640@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:20 PM 1/23/98 EST, ZeplinSoup wrote: >last year sometime I think Cakewalk music software,in collaboration with >thunder fingers himself (John Entwitsle) sp huh oh well..anyway they did the >first Live Internet Jam using ISDN lines in two remote locations.sorry guys I >had a magazine article somewhere---I just looked for it ---that had a midi >internet jam with many people. hmm. I think this was first done longer than a year ago, actually. I recall a san francisco based technology/performance artist doing something like this, with multiple musicians in different locations, playing over the net. Seems like it was at least two years ago, but I'm not real sure. >we have seen some pretty amazing music technology which is very new.I am >thrilled with possibilies---like wouldnt it be cool to control stage lighting >effects via midi and midi sequencing so that colors swirl and undulate in >precision with the music.Some very starling performances to a future surprised >( dessert anyone?) audience as I am convinced that art + music will be one of >the next frontiers.... You could do that now, with Midi Show Control and typical lighting rigs. Also, I once talked to a guy at a laserium show who said all his laser stuff was controlled by midi. So there ya go, no reason to wait. You could probably set up Max patches that react to musical events by doing particular things with the lights, and then improvise it all. My neighbor does really creative lighting for raves and clubs as a hobby, I'll ask him about that sometime. He'd probably know what gear is available. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:11:35 EST From: ZeplinSoup To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: midi cable lenght induced latnecy? Message-ID: <3c11caed.34c969f9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit should I buy a new cable??my current cable wraps around 3 football fields! ...or is a midi cable like an electricity wire where the transfer is instant beacue it entering one elctron on one end simply pushes the last one out on the other end..... Reeve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:50:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: midi cable lenght induced latnecy? Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980124045055.008f68cc@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:11 PM 1/23/98 EST, ZeplinSoup wrote: >should I buy a new cable??my current cable wraps around 3 football fields! wow! I'm feeling very inadequate. >...or > >is a midi cable like an electricity wire where the transfer is instant beacue >it entering one elctron on one end simply pushes the last one out on the other >end..... It IS an electrical wire. As such, there is a delay for any waveform to travel from one end to the other, but that delay is going to be extremely short. (nothing is instant.) In fact, you would probably need thousands of miles of cable before you would even begin to notice it. This cable delay is waaaaaaaay smaller than midi delays incurred by the processors in the thing transmitting and the thing receiving the midi data. With very long cable you do risk problem with signal loss. The resistance of a very, very long cable might cause the signal to get too small and the receiver at the midi in jack might not be able to pick up the data. You'd notice that, because stuff wouldn't work. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:21:02 -0600 From: Grover Sheffield To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Hello... Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980124052102.009e2be0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laurie, good to see you. Hope your rack (and mind and heart, of course) expansion is going well. I really like reading your stuff. Later...Grover At 04:45 PM 1/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >I play bass, mostly. Just recently started making more elaborate loops with a >"plex n' tex" rack expansion. (As in echo- and vor-. Sounds like something >that is done at a neo-gothic plastic surgeon's joint. Yikes.) > >You've certainly come to the right place to talk loops. (Does that mean we end >up repeating ourselves a lot?) There are some incredibly knowledgeable and >helpful people hangin out here, if a little twisted. %^) Moebius Strippers? > I'd better stop now. > >ciao -- >laurie > > > > > > --------------------------------