------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: Re: craft project [ Tom Spaulding ] Re: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest wort [ Fmplautus ] unsubscribe [ James McCollough ] Re: buckethead ------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: Re: craft project [ Tom Spaulding < ] Re: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest wort [ Fmplautus < ] unsubscribe [ James McCollough < ] Re: buckethead [ Mark Sottilaro < ] Re: craft project [ Kim Flint < ] Re: buckethead [ innerspace@mediaone.net ] Vortex FS [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ] Re: craft project [ JT < ] Re: craft project [ "Scott Bullerwell" < ] Re: craft project [ "T.W. Hartnett" < ] Re: Time for digitech machine page [ Jeff Duke < ] A couple of things for sale.. [ MIvanBerk@aol.com ] funky vintage boxes.. [ CORROSIVE@aol.com ] midi 1/4 " switcher [ "andre" < ] glass eno [ bryan.helm@dinosaur.com ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:40:11 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<98Jan27.143731cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff- Thanks for the chuckle! We've got walls and walls of pointy guitars with extended cutaways and Floyd Rose whammies here in Nashville. We also have a bunch of vintage Oberheim, Ensoniq, Roland, etc. Probably due to the fact that this town is full of guys and gals who get free gear, and once they lose/change their gigs, the gear gets sold in used and pawn shops. Great shopping if you ever come by for a visit. Send me a wish list, I'll keep an eye out for whatever. BTW- If Mark's Vintage Synthesizers got you hot, stay far away from his "The Beauty of the B" The Hammond B-3 Story. Probably not the thing for the pedal-philes on this list, but if there is a latent organist in the crowd, enjoy!! Tom "Fattenin' up the Gear Fund" Spaulding At 12:48 PM 1/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey kids, >If you're like me, you have a big swarm of strange cables >running from your pedalboard to your rack. I don't mean >the usual pedalboard action where the signal goes in one >end and out the other, but the kind where you have >footswitches and controllers for a bunch of rack gizmos. >For example, I have three footswitches and a pedal for my >Jamster & Vortex (side note-how long do you think it'll be >before these suckers go up so much in price that I'll be >afraid to take 'em to the gig, like a flametop Les Paul?) >and a footswitch for a ProCo R2DU (two Rats in a 1 rack >space box), in other words, four 1/4" stereo cables and 1 >MIDI cable. I carry my crap around in a soft rack case, >tossing the pedals and cables in the back, since all the >devices are quite shallow. Needless to say, I had a >considerable spaghetti problem. >So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of >tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric >at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and >listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" >and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy >setup and teardown. >I suppose this little invention won't catch on because >it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller >that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does >everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook >with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart >moment with y'all. >Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage >Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was >filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. >Fortunately for my finances, the only used gear store in >town is full of Samick guitars and Peavey amps cast off by >frustrated post-grunge teenage boys... >-- >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:12:39 EST From: Fmplautus < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest worthy Looping device candidates Message-ID: <<12d913a8.34ce4dc9@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tom: The LoOpDoctOrs have no "John B" in residence. This doc's name is Kevin, but I will pass on the information to Oregon. :) Have fun at Namm. By the way, so far we are really excited about the new software in the 'plex. You guys did really good! Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:22:51 -0600 From: James McCollough < To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <<34CE5E3A.3F74D920@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe Jeff Duke wrote: > Hey ya'll, > R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am > going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some > looping with real and analog drums. > thanks much,Jeff > > R & T Cummings wrote: > > > Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. > > One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at > > 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and > > timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and > > gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all > > basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of > > relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six > > Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined > > with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. > > > > This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more > > feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not > > really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these > > sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. > > Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type > > of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? > > > > Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, > > actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:22:50 -0500 From: Jeff Duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe Message-ID: <<34CE6C4A.5DFAE5FD@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope that is'nt directed at me!Sniff,sniff Jeff James McCollough wrote: > unsubscribe > > Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Hey ya'll, > > R&T, or anybody, could you explain what gradual changes in phase means,I am > > going to look for Reich.It sounds cool and I have been wanting to do some > > looping with real and analog drums. > > thanks much,Jeff > > > > R & T Cummings wrote: > > > > > Some interesting ideas with the minimal music approaches, I think. > > > One of favorite pieces is Steve Reich's _Drumming_ which at > > > 1 1/2 hours length involves "changes of phase position, pitch and > > > timbre" (liner notes). In this piece they start on tuned bongos and > > > gradually introduce voice, marimbas and glockenspiels while all > > > basically using the same rhythmic figure (with gradual changes of > > > relative phase). Another approach that he used on some pieces (e.g. _Six > > > Pianos), was changing phase in discrete steps of eigths etc. combined > > > with addition/ subtraction/ replacement of notes. > > > > > > This latter technique seems to me to be simpler and maybe a more > > > feasible way of getting started (Although, I personally have not > > > really tried this to any depth). Any of you have some ideas on these > > > sorts of techniques, as applied to machine-aided looping. > > > Machine-aided looping (especially the 95% echo feedback type > > > of looping) basically uses similar concepts, doesn't it? > > > > > > Thanks for the posts in this direction - this induces some new (well, > > > actually old - let's say recycled) ideas! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:19:32 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buckethead Message-ID: < Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K It's amazing. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:40:44 -0800 From: Kim Flint < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buckethead Message-Id: <<2.2.32.19980128004044.007660ec@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I understood it, he had to use that "Death Cube K" anagram due to a trademark infringement problem with the rap group called "The Bucketheads." Bummer, huh? kim At 07:19 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Hey, > >If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K > >It's amazing. > >Mark _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:53:17 -0800 From: Kim Flint < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<2.2.32.19980128005317.007621c0@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think there are various cheap-o plastic products around to do this sort of thing as well, generally for household extension cables and such. You can probably find them in hardware stores. We have them in various strategic parts of the house to prevent pet rabbits from chewing through cables. The plastic slows 'em down a bit. (never could figure out how they don't electrocute themselves, but they've almost killed me a couple times by leaving exposed wire around after an insulation snack...) kim At 01:34 PM 1/27/98 -0700, Scott Bullerwell wrote: >Jeff's scheme is solid, if you're into sewing. Also, there are >commercially available cable bundlers (shielded and unshielded) that can be >of use, as well as cheap garden hose (get the large diameter black rubber >stuff if possible--cut the ends off, thread your cables through--if they're >too thick to thread through, slit the hose longitudinally, stuff yer cables >in, seal it with black tape, and hey presto! instant snake.) _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: buckethead Message-ID: <<34CEB4BE.99C05200@mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DF2D23A305DA3F868400551F" Actually, I'm kinda more hip to the anagram than the whole buckethead thang, but then again thats just me. either way its all good... left As I understood it, he had to use that "Death Cube K" anagram due to a trademark infringement problem with the rap group called "The Bucketheads." Bummer, huh? kim At 07:19 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Mark  Sottilaro wrote: >Hey, > >If you like Buckethead, check out his ambient Axiom release Death Cube K > >It's amazing. > >Mark _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint                       408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research              <http://www.chromatic.com   ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:22:17 +0200 From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex FS Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Gearheads, Here's one off of rec.music.makers.market for ya.... >Lexicon Vortex Effects Processor for sale ($175 including foot switch and >manual). Also, Sunrise Pickup for acoustic instruments for sale ($150). >E-Mail serious inquiries to MEHAMRICK@AOL.COM. Good luck , Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:14:29 -0800 From: JT < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<3.0.5.32.19980127221429.0094da50@pop.nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >...Probably due to the fact >that this town is full of guys and gals who get free gear, and once they >lose/change their gigs, the gear gets sold in used and pawn shops. Great >shopping if you ever come by for a visit. Send me a wish list, I'll keep an >eye out for whatever. I've always got my eye on free gear. Please contact me directly so we can work out the shipping details. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:34:54 -0700 From: "Scott Bullerwell" < To: < Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<199801272038.NAA19499@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff's scheme is solid, if you're into sewing. Also, there are commercially available cable bundlers (shielded and unshielded) that can be of use, as well as cheap garden hose (get the large diameter black rubber stuff if possible--cut the ends off, thread your cables through--if they're too thick to thread through, slit the hose longitudinally, stuff yer cables in, seal it with black tape, and hey presto! instant snake.) I would however suggest the following: Don't bundle signal cables and power cables in one snake if you can avoid it at all. In fact, don't run signal and power cables next to each other under any circumstance where it can be avoided--cross one over the other at 90 degrees if you must and keep the gaffer tape handy. By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a 1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, the fog machine and the disco ball...) Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:01:55 -0600 From: Tom Spaulding < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The LoOpDoctOrs suggest...OB-1 Listens Message-Id: <<98Jan27.165909cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr. Kevin- All props to Kim and Co. for the update. We are but the cash-crazy crass commercializers that bring it to you in an attractive package, nicely displayed. Albeit in a creamy tint. Thanks for tracking the Oregon Trail for us. Keep On Beige-ing (Bejing?) Tom "Oral Looping is not really Looping" Spaulding ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 18:55:25 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" < To: "Looper's Delight" < Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<199801280054.QAA27824@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in >February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that >open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a >1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That >might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my >Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, >the fog machine and the disco ball...) I've been using the Rockman MIDI Octopus for that. I've got two, they're half-rack units, really easy to use. They're out of production, but they're easy to find used for under $100. And no wall-wart. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:28:19 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: craft project Message-Id: <<199801281428.JAA14496@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:48 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey kids, SNIP >considerable spaghetti problem. >So, I decided to build my own snake. After a variety of >tape/twist-tie configurations failed, I got $.50 of fabric >at Ben Franklin and spent an afternoon sewing and >listening to Paul Bley albums. I made a tube 7.5'x 1.5" >and threaded my cables through it. Presto-quick and tidy >setup and teardown. >I suppose this little invention won't catch on because >it's getting easier and easier to get one big controller >that can run all your stuff or one gadget that does >everything and then some (G-Force? Eventide? Powerbook >with MAX?), but I figured I'd share my Martha Stewart >moment with y'all. Jeff, was wondering if you'd consider doing a lace doily for the top of my rack ;) Seriously, you're going to make some lucky loopette one heck of a catch someday ;0 if you added velcro, you could use it as a wrap--make getting the cables in and out easier (yeah, I know it's being done commercially, but in a LIGHT BLUE SILK CHENILLE to DIE FOR) . . . I've been meaning to check out the drainage field hose section of Home Depot and look for a practical diameter thaat I could slit and pack with cables >Oh yeah, under no circumstances read Mark Vail's Vintage >Synthesizers book. It's worse than pornography. I was >filled with an unstoppable violent lust for gear. I'm on a post-gear orgy, 12-step program at the present time. Please respect my WEAKENED state . . . no more references to LOVELY, LOOOOVVVELY, gear (drool) >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html > > > drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:00:47 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: "Looper's Delight" <, "T.W. Hartnett" < Subject: Re[2]: craft project Message-ID: <<00080189.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I use the Digital Music GCX Expander. It has 8 switchable relay audio loops (send and return) which also have inputs and ouputs. Very flexible. It only responds to CONTROL CHANGES though, so for some of you with cheesy stripped function midi pedals LOOK OUT! This has been a very reliable product which has NEVER betrayed me. That's nice in a product! No matter how much I like the other whiz bang stuff in my rack, nearly all have gone south at one point or another. It's part of their Ground Control product line. I use the Digitech PMC-10 midi pedal though. The Ground Control just didn't seem to have enough memory. They sell a memory upgrade which at least approaches the capacity of the PMC-10. They have another product called the System Mix. A 1sp rack mixer with buffered inputs, 2 parallel busses with mix controls on the front panel, a midi through port... and a stereo Cab Tone speaker emulator which received favorable reviews recently. (I believe in Guitar Player.) It also has 2 midi controlled VCA's for volume control of the mixer without the long cable runs. I have to see and test one for any further impressions. (I'm always skeptical.) Cheers, -Miko - ------------------------------ >By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in >February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that >open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a >1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That >might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my >Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, >the fog machine and the disco ball...) I've been using the Rockman MIDI Octopus for that. I've got two, they're half-rack units, really easy to use. They're out of production, but they're easy to find used for under $100. And no wall-wart. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:17:36 From: james rhodes < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Buckethead and fried chicken Message-Id: <<3.0.2.16.19980128071736.304fd73a@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hello,,,personally, i do not like MOST of what Buckethead does,,,however i find his all acoustic guitar playing on Jonas Hellborg's "Octave of the holy innocents" to be outstanding (mike shrieve on drums) if you want a sample of this in real audio try: http://netbeat.com/products/cd91.htm i must also confess,,,eating fried chicken DOES make you a better player,,,i know,,it sounds crazy,,but there is a cosmic connection between the consumption of well prepared fried chicken, and the creation of music...just keep plenty of napkins around,,,or you might discover nature's "fingerease" > >well till my next bucket of KFC,,, james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:13:32 -0500 From: Jeff Duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time for digitech machine page Message-ID: <<34CFAD8C.A1EFF58D@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been looking for a book and I finally found it.It's the Digital Delay Handbook by Craig Anderton.(Amsco#38985)It goes into the uses and way to control non midi gear using control voltage inputs and outputs that came on some old gear. I took 3 projects in the book and put them in a volume pedal and added a power supply.I've had more fun as you say "bouncing off of pluto" with this thing! Well,if you use this you can send the pics of the rcgfkt to me. Jeff Duke jmar@bellsouth.net CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > Although I am just the owner of a lowly PDS-8000, I'd love to hear more > feedback (ouch), tips & stuff regarding time machines... i personally feel > lo-res looping is equally as kool as hi-res!! I would love it if the Plex > pro had a switch (or mod) so you could do 4 bit sampling (ala > electro-harmonix super replay), cause the lo-res grain makes it sound like > your loops were shot into space & bounced off Pluto before behind detuned & > returned to your pitched down psyche... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:20:01 EST From: MIvanBerk@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A couple of things for sale.. Message-ID: <<605355df.34cfd943@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thought I'd post this to the group before going to Harmony Central. Anyway, I'm streamlining my rig a bit (quasi-significant financial woes, rationalized as wanting to cut down to an easily portable affair for NYC). Digitech RDS 8000, you're all familiar with it, 8second delay, with LFO for modulation of delay time. With two Hosa pedal switches for bypass and hold/trigger functions (which I won't separate, 'cause I've got no other use for them). I even have a manual! Excellent condition. $250.00 MAM (Music-And-More) RS3 Resonator. Based on the ol' Korg PS-3100 filter section, 3 bandpass filters plus an LFO plus an envelope follower, filter frequency sweepable via front panel knob or external CV pedal of your choosing. Sort of an extremely wacky Uni-Vibe and a Mu-Tron III crammed into one rack space. All analog...the sweet sound of slowly-moving Vactrols...mmm, and quacking if you want it. Great for coloring your loops. Like new. also $250.00 Prefer NYC buyer. If somebody wants 'em both, I'll throw in a two-space SKB rack, which is where they reside now. -Michael Berk mivanberk@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:10:38 EST From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Fmplautus@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: funky vintage boxes.. Message-ID: <<1025b804.34cfe520@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O yeah, speaking of manuals-anybody out there have a manual for the Roland Dimension D??- I'd love to get a copy, if only to read the instructions badly translated from Japanese.. thanks >>>>gregor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:44:38 -0500 From: "andre" < To: < Subject: midi 1/4 " switcher Message-Id: <<199801290243.VAA03729@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > By the way, MIDI Solutions will reportedly be shipping the R8 in > February--it's a 1U rack-mounted midi-controlled giz with eight relays that > open and close eight 1/4" jacks. Thus, you can control stuff that uses a > 1/4" phone-plug footswitch via midi. (http://www.midisolutions.com). That > might be a solution to rack spaghetti for some of us. (I want one for my > Mesa/Boogie V-Twin, and there'll still be two jacks left over to run, like, > the fog machine and the disco ball...) also - vegetarian/genius (like Albert Einstein) Tom Scholz has sold the midi rockman OCTOPUS for years it's a HALF space device that will control 8 devices also.... and with a add-on for $75, you can set up a midi controllable effects loop....... i see these used a lot. Lake butler/midigator also mad a few diff. 1/3 space units that did this. save $$$ buy used andre' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 19:36:47 -0700 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: glass eno Message-ID: <<9801281936.0RJWZ00@dinosaur.com> The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in 1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature the overwhelming impression left on most audience members as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed amplified music in a public performance context though to be fair to them, the volume WAS high. Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl "Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for us, but not for you". Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells ......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... Bryan Helm "Loop is pool backwards and pool starts with P which rhymes with T that is the first letter in the word....TROUBLE!" --------------------------------