------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Re: funky vintage boxes.. [ TritoneDW ] Re: Dinosaur sighting [ djdowling@earthlink.net ] One more thing... [ MIvanBerk ] time machines/electro harmonix! [ CORROSIVE@aol.com ] Death Cube K Origin [ Todd Madson ] Re: Selling stuff over the internet [ "Matt McCabe" ] Re: Selling stuff over the internet [ Stew Benedict ] Re: Selling stuff over the internet [ "Scott Bullerwell" ] Re: Selling stuff over the internet [ Len Seligman ] Re: glass eno [ "Jesse Kudler" ] RDS 8000 sighting [ Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Message-ID: <8e9dd97b.34d02218@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <> The only pedal I am completely enamored with right now is the Electro-Harmonix Small Stone phase shifter. It's a texture machine. As cool as it is, though, I'd give my left eyeball to find the Bad Stone I used to own. It was WAY cooler--you could set the mid-point of the phase sweep, or disable the modulation and set up a "stationary" phased sound with a manual knob. And what beautiful knobs they were; huge black monster knobs. Other than that and a decent reverb (and the JamPig, of course), I don't use much, although I may soon get my hands on a Vortex, in which case it will probably become an indispensible box as well. Hey, just to add the the gear thread (don't you love talking about toys?), I just got a Parker Fly, and I LOVE it. Anyone else out there play one of these things? (This is gratuitous toy talk, I know, but I can't help myself.) Have a loopy day, Drew W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:13:16 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dinosaur sighting Message-ID: <34D001DC.2255@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just saw an old green Echoplex at Cambridge music (Porter Sq, Cambridge MA). The guy at the shop didn't seem to know if it worked or not. That's all D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:26:36 EST From: MIvanBerk To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: One more thing... Message-ID: <7b1889e4.34cfdace@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'd also like to sell a Boss SP-202 Dr. Sample, which I bought for a project that never happened. It's a 4-voice baby sampler that uses SmartMedia cards for memory/storage. Has two nifty filters and a ring modulator, which can be applied to external audio sources. This is a product aimed at DJ's, so while you can't loop per se (press record, then stop, and immediately hear a loop), you can configure it so as to always have external audio running through it, and sample from that audio stream. It's pretty good for that sort of thing. And it is polyphonic, and it's tiny (looks like a grossly overinflated HP calculator, or one of those Star Trek tricorders), which makes a neat little tabletop looper if you're interested in that kind of thing. Like new, w / original box, manual, a Boss power adapter, and an extra 4MB SmartMedia card. this is also $250.00 -Michael Berk mivanberk@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! Message-ID: <980128203434_1716487033@mrin54> hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could scan it if anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody out there have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool to check out >>>>gregor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:42:36 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Madson To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Death Cube K Origin Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Actually, it was not a conflict with the group the Bucketheads, who came out after Buckethead's stuff was released. Rather, he had wanted to do some ambient stuff and he was under contract to Sony in Japan who wanted him to be releasing full-on shredfests or they wouldn't release it in the U.S. So, an Editor at Keyboard magazine came up with the anagram and the name stuck. His more musical stuff in a rock context is on the Praxis, "Transmutation" recording. The Death Cube K stuff is fine for the ambient-loopheads among us. -Todd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:51:08 -0800 From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Message-Id: <199801291635.IAA20873@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Ed Drake > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. Ed, Definitely ship COD. Trust no one. There are many flaky people out there with internet access. I've sold and bought a number of things over the net via COD. It has worked without a flaw everytime. The only bummer is that it can take up to a month to get your money if you ship COD via UPS. Good Luck! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII COD has worked well for me, both buying and selling. I only had one instance out of about 15 where the buyer changed his mind, and the shipper had to ship the items back to me. Stew On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Ed Drake wrote: > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:17:38 -0700 From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Message-Id: <199801291725.KAA30288@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.tradesafe.com Your buyer sends them the dough. They hold it in escrow. You send your buyer the merchandise. They then have a short period of time to evaluate it and either send it back to you or keep it. I've got a few friends who have used tradesafe more than once, and they're very happy with it. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com ---------- > From: Ed Drake > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Selling stuff over the internet > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 09:36 > > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:13 -0600 From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Selling stuff over the internet Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC07@migarexch01.maritz.com> I think that COD is great, have done it many times. > ---------- > From: Ed Drake > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:41 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: Selling stuff over the internet > > I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 > midi > controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was > wondering > what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that > shipping > COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way > but > does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? > Pardon my > naivete concerning this. > Thanks! > Ed > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:17:43 -0600 From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC08@migarexch01.maritz.com> P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when? Does anybody have any info on this? steuart > ---------- > From: Liebig, Steuart A. > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:14 AM > To: Liebig, Steuart A.; 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix! > > I second the request for an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy > who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . . > > steuart > > ---------- > From: CORROSIVE@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM > To: LiebigSA@maritz.com > Subject: time machines/electro harmonix! > > hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could > scan it if > anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody > out there > have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool > to check out > >>>>gregor > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:46:28 -0700 From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Signal Path Necromancy Message-Id: <199801291754.KAA30553@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's like a puzzle, only not fun: My setup consists of a guitar w/midi pickup and two outboard synths controlled by same. All signals (dry guitar, synth 1, synth 2) are routed into a mixer. All signals have their own volume pedal between the source and the mixer. Signal processors are mounted in FX loop of mixer (Aux 1). Whole lotta syrup added here: chorus, detune, delay, doppler panning, flange, harmonizer, sodomizer, transmogrifier, little plastic box that goes "bing!" etc. Looper is mounted thus: mixer's "Tape Out" to looper's input. Output from looper goes into empty channel on mixer. I want to be able to send the signal of my choice (guitar, synth 1, synth 2, or any combination thereof) to the looper. Problem: the looper records wet signal in this configuration. The looper is plugged into the board, and to get the loop back into some semblance of a stereo image I bring up the FX level on that channel AGAIN. Nasty comb filtering, squealing, etc. Solution: run only dry signal to the looper. But HOW? There's three signal sources, and all of them are stereo even when dry (stereo guitar preamp, stereo synths). I can pull half-inserts off of the mono channels... what about a resistive mixer? Hey, that just might work! Patch the three mono dry half-insert signals into a resistive mixer and into the looper, then out of the looper into the board and through the stereo FX bus for some syrup. Anyone got a more rational/elegant/simple/prudent idea than this? I'd love to hear it! Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:15:46 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: , "Matt McCabe" Subject: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet Message-ID: <00081687.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Ed Drake ... >> I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 >>midi controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was >>wondering what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that >>shipping COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best >>way but does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? >>Pardon my naivete concerning this. >Matt McCabe said... >Definitely ship COD. Trust no one. There are many flaky people out there >with internet access. I've sold and bought a number of things over the net >via COD. It has worked without a flaw everytime. The only bummer is that >it can take up to a month to get your money if you ship COD via UPS. UPS is usually a little on the slow side. 2-3 weeks for them to mail you your check... It usually goes OK. Once I received a cryptic piece of paper which sort of looked like a check. I took it to the bank and 'deposited' it. The bank didn't even know if it was a check or not! It bounced. It took me around 4-6 months to straighten this out with UPS. Bummer. No one at UPS could help me at all until I started writing threatening letters to their corporate collection department. I've had good success with FedEx COD. You get it overnight or in 2 days usually. Have the buyer cut a money order or cashier check for the correct amount. FedEx will just forward that to you. A couple of times UPS has had the buyer write the check to *them*, then processed that through their accounting department, and then written *me* a check! That takes a long time as well. A way around this is to definitely have the buyer hand them a money order made out to your full legal name. They can't cash that and usually just forward it to you. Much Better! Never have I had a bad piece of gear. Good luck -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:59:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: glass eno Message-ID: <34D0D180.D5911764@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope everybody knows that my "remark" about Eno and Glass was a joke from The Glass Pages, there are more too.However jokes are only funny if there is an element of truth to them. I loved the Fripp and Eno concert story, now thats funny. Jeff bryan.helm@dinosaur.com wrote: > The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass > vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > > My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given > at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in > 1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble > was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his > opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did > selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a > few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the > ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature > the overwhelming impression left on most audience members > as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. > I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed > amplified music in a public performance context though to be > fair to them, the volume WAS high. > > Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp > relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a > bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had > it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting > Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing > the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they > played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then > they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which > they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered > out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this > fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl > "Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for > us, but not for you". > > Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells > ......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > Bryan Helm > "Loop is pool backwards > and pool starts with P > which rhymes with T > that is the first letter in > the word....TROUBLE!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:47:42 -0500 From: Len Seligman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980129154742.00709b4c@dharma.mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another option is Trade Direct at http://www.trade-direct.com. They seem a little cheaper than tradesafe, but it's basically the same idea. (5% fee for up to $1000, with a minimum of just $5). Also, they offer a pay by credit card option, though there's an additional 3% charge for that. -Len At 10:17 AM 1/29/98 -0700, Scott Bullerwell wrote: >http://www.tradesafe.com > >Your buyer sends them the dough. They hold it in escrow. You send your >buyer the merchandise. They then have a short period of time to evaluate >it and either send it back to you or keep it. > >I've got a few friends who have used tradesafe more than once, and they're >very happy with it. > >Scott Bullerwell >tanelorn@dimensional.com > >---------- >> From: Ed Drake >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Selling stuff over the internet >> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 09:36 >> >> I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 >midi >> controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was >wondering >> what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping >> COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way >but >> does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon >my >> naivete concerning this. >> Thanks! >> Ed >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:00:32 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: glass eno Message-ID: <01bd2d01$51723ba0$714c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A side note: Phillip Glass was recently parodied on the highly over-rated South Park on comedy Central, and he once got a reference on the Simpsons. "An evening with Phillip Glass. Just an evening?" -H. Simpson -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:02 AM Subject: glass eno > >The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass >vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > >My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given >at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in >1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble >was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his >opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did >selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a >few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the >ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature >the overwhelming impression left on most audience members >as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. >I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed >amplified music in a public performance context though to be >fair to them, the volume WAS high. > >Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp >relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a >bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had >it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting >Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing >the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they >played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then >they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which >they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered >out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this >fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl >"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for >us, but not for you". > >Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells >......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > Bryan Helm > "Loop is pool backwards > and pool starts with P > which rhymes with T > that is the first letter in > the word....TROUBLE!" > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:44:12 -0500 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: glass eno Message-ID: <34D1063C.A43846CF@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Over rated South Park!I'd beg your pardon but it's out of the context of this group.E-mail me privatly and I'll chastise you soundly. I mean this in the best possible way, Jeff Jesse Kudler wrote: > A side note: Phillip Glass was recently parodied on the highly over-rated > South Park on comedy Central, and he once got a reference on the Simpsons. > > "An evening with Phillip Glass. Just an evening?" -H. Simpson > > -Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:02 AM > Subject: glass eno > > > > >The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass > >vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > > > >My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given > >at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in > >1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble > >was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his > >opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did > >selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a > >few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the > >ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature > >the overwhelming impression left on most audience members > >as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. > >I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed > >amplified music in a public performance context though to be > >fair to them, the volume WAS high. > > > >Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp > >relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a > >bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had > >it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting > >Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing > >the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they > >played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then > >they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which > >they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered > >out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this > >fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl > >"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for > >us, but not for you". > > > >Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells > >......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > > > Bryan Helm > > "Loop is pool backwards > > and pool starts with P > > which rhymes with T > > that is the first letter in > > the word....TROUBLE!" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RDS 8000 sighting Message-Id: <199801300301.WAA29931@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" RDS 8000 we know it, we wuv it NM condition (whatever) $225 Trevor e-mail Van Eyck@interlog.com drone on~~~~Tom ps--contributions to the Digitech/Loopers web page? Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Selling stuff over the internet Message-Id: <199801300240.VAA23159@cliff.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ed: Ever since i made the costly error of joining this newsgroup ;) there has been only one means of satisfying my wanton lust for black boxes . . . the Net--I've purchased everything COD (unless it was about $ 50 or less and I had a good vibe from the buyer) havent' been burned yet (tosses Boss flanger pedal over left shoulder)--I basically put together my whole setup from the Net and sold some of it as well I've heard Fed X is the best to do COD from the seller's standpoint cuz' the check comes right back Fed X . . . of course it's not cheap Priority Mail is cheap, but I've lost packages AND IF YOU DO IMHO you are screwed!--though a guy shipped me a Juno 6 keyboard COD in hte mail cuz' he claimed he got his money faster from the USPS I like UPS and Fed X cuz' you can track hte package by shipping # on their Web sites--if the blip diappears from the screen, at least you can point the finger at someone good luck Tom hmmmm . . . a MIDI controller . . . Naaah, don't want to get involved in that crazy MIDI stuff . . . .still . . .it's probably cheap . . .HOW MANY RACK SPACES IS IT? At 11:36 AM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi >controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering >what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping >COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but >does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my >naivete concerning this. >Thanks! >Ed > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: funky vintage boxes.. Message-ID: <980130003700_811123688@mrin52> hey Drew, thanks for the reply- i love talking about toys too! i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i have a bunch o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision is an issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live, hence the Parker interest. As for Electro Harmonix stuff, i have TONS of their pedals & they are totally the shit! never had a BadStone, but have small stone, electric mistress, clone theory, etc... both the small clone & polychorus R way cool in terms of modulation efx- big muff pi (not the deluxe big muff, tho-it doesnt sound nearly as great ) & graphic fuzz are my alltime fave distortion devices... and if U ever see a super replay, BUY IT! 4 seconds of crazy lo res looping from outer space...the attack delay is way outta control, too >>>>>>gregor --------------------------------