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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 25

Today's Topics:
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ Goddess <thefates@concentric.net> ]
  Re: glass eno                         [ Goddess <thefates@concentric.net> ]
  oops...                               [ Goddess <thefates@concentric.net> ]
  my date stamp...                      [ Goddess <thefates@concentric.net> ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ "future perfect" <artmusic@gte.net> ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ CORROSIVE@aol.com ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@eart ]
  Desert Island Discs                   [ "Peter Thompson" <pt205@hermes.cam. ]
  Weird. SGE Unhappy.                   [ Todd Madson <crash@waste.org> ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) ]
  Selling stuff over the internet       [ Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com> ]
  RE: time machines/electro harmonix!   [ "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Mari ]
  jamman update chips?                  [ Monkici@aol.com ]
  Re: Signal Path Necromancy            [ Texture444@aol.com ]
  Re: funky vintage boxes..             [ tbajus <nyfac2@nyfac.com> ]
  Top 5                                 [ Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu ]
  RE: time machines/electro harmonix!   [ "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.c ]
  Re: Signal Path Necromancy            [ "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimens ]
  Re: jamman update chips?              [ Nick Ring <nick@simons-rock.edu> ]
  Re: Re: funky vintage boxes..         [ "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimens ]
  Stick/Loop Gig                        [ PMimlitsch@aol.com ]
  re: 5 loopin' choices                 [ doina@juno.com (doina o o) ]
  RE: Re: funky vintage boxes..         [ "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Mari ]
  Re: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the in  [ buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barre ]

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:08:18 -0700
From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029220818.007a4a80@pop3.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

		  Hey there, I just had to reply cause I thought your message was so
cute...  I don't usually get into talking about gear.  But anyway, I play a
Steinberger GL2T into a Marshall jmp1 midi preamp.  The signal then goes
through a volume peddal and into an SE-70 efects processor which I like
very much.  Finally, it goes into the jam man and out to a board or to an
RA 100 reference amp and to two Tube works 12 inch cabinets.  I think that
the parkers are wonderful instruments however in my opinion, they're not
designed with women in mind as they've got that really annoying pointed
horn thing that comes up and gets me in a really "inconvienient" place.
It's quite painful at times... Aside from that, I think the fly classics
are nice instruments if I can get it placed just right...  Have a nice day...

smiles,

Corynne

At 01:30 AM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote:
><<i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old
stomp
>boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be
>interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping.>>
>
>The only pedal I am completely enamored with right now is the
Electro-Harmonix
>Small Stone phase shifter. It's a texture machine. As cool as it is, though,
>I'd give my left eyeball to find the Bad Stone I used to own. It was WAY
>cooler--you could set the mid-point of the phase sweep, or disable the
>modulation and set up a "stationary" phased sound with a manual knob. And
what
>beautiful knobs they were; huge black monster knobs. Other than that and a
>decent reverb (and the JamPig, of course), I don't use much, although I may
>soon get my hands on a Vortex, in which case it will probably become an
>indispensible box as well.
>
>Hey, just to add the the gear thread (don't you love talking about toys?), I
>just got a Parker Fly, and I LOVE it. Anyone else out there play one of these
>things? (This is gratuitous toy talk, I know, but I can't help myself.)
>
>Have a loopy day, 
>
>Drew W.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:21:57 -0700
From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: glass eno
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029222157.007a6100@pop3.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

  That's a GREAT story!!!

smiles,

Corynne

At 07:36 PM 1/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass
>vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following:
>
>My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given
>at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in
>1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble
>was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his
>opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did
>selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a
>few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the 
>ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature
>the overwhelming impression left on most audience members
>as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented.
>I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed
>amplified music in a public performance context though to be
>fair to them, the volume WAS high.
>
>Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp
>relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a
>bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had
>it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting
>Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing
>the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they
>played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then
>they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which 
>they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered
>out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this
>fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl
>"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for
>us, but not for you".
>
>Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells
>......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?.....
>
>                                      Bryan Helm
>                                      "Loop is pool backwards
>                                        and pool starts with P
>                                        which rhymes with T
>                                        that is the first letter in
>                                        the word....TROUBLE!" 
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:14:07 -0700
From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: oops...
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029231407.007a5910@pop3.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:48:45 -0700
>To: loopers
>From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
>Subject: oops...
>
>  Oh yeah, I also forgot the GK2A and the GR1.  like I said, I don't
usually talk about this stuff.  I've got an ovation Legend as well as  a
partridge in a pair tree...
>
>smiles,
>
>Corynne
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:12:23 -0700
From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: my date stamp...
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029231223.007a3890@pop3.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:41:47 -0700
>To: looper
>From: Goddess <thefates@concentric.net>
>Subject: my date stamp...
>
>  As some of you may have noticed, my date stamp is off by about four
months...  NO,k I'm not in a time warp or looping my calendar concepts,
Unfortunately, I've done this on purpose to deal with a rather annoying
situation which I won't go into here.  So for the moment, it is
necessary...  Hopefully this will change soon.  Anyway, I forgot to mention
in my response about the gear, that I control the whole lot with an ART
X-15 midi foot controller.  hope everyone is well...
>
>smiles,
>
>Corynne 
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:28:41 -0500
From: "future perfect" <artmusic@gte.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-ID: <05e901bd2d59$12e24580$a7f1ffd0@default>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Corynne, do you like the X-15??? I traded mine in on a Ground Control
because I believe the X-15 essentially can control only one midi
channel...is your whole rig on one midi channel?? Lucky, lucky!!!

Dave Eichenberger
*********************************************************************
'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:33:03 -0500 (EST)
From: CORROSIVE@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-ID: <980130033302_1493250286@mrin39.mx>

Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody listing
their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs...

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:24:37 -0800
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@earthlight.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-ID: <003101bd2d71$a6d3e1a0$2722dacf@sgoodman>
Content-Type: text/plain
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>Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody listing
>their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs...


Okay then!  :)

Rhythm Devils - The Apocalypse Sessions
Robert Fripp - Let The Power Fall
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Sylvian/Fripp - The First Day
Grateful Dead - Infrared Roses

I think those could be the bearably listened to with repetition, though I'd
rather just have my rig with me on a desert island, frankly. :)

Stephen Goodman       * Download The Loop Of The Week and more!
EarthLight Studios         * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:30:17 -0000
From: "Peter Thompson" <pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Desert Island Discs
Message-ID: <002301bd2d7a$d3157220$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk>
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Here are my five faves, for what it's worth:

1    Gone to Earth (Instrumental) - David Sylvian
Why does no-one ever mention this album?  It is truly the most beautiful
looping album ever made, yet is roundly ignored, even by people who should
know better.

2    A Blessing of Tears - Robert Fripp
This is the first Fripp album to achieve something emotionally and is a
billion times better than those dull solo Frippertronics things.

3    Cathedral Oceans - John Foxx
Check this one out - a cross between Fripp's aBoT and Harold Budd.

4    Tripping Over God - David Torn
A great variety of textures and some bottom-punting guitar playing.

5    Evening Star - Fripp and Eno
Frippertronics weren't so bad when Brian lent a hand.  An Index of Metals is
possibly the first monumentally great looping piece.

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Date:	Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:08:38 -0600 (CST)
From:	Todd Madson <crash@waste.org>
To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Weird.  SGE Unhappy.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980130070227.14111B-100000@waste.org>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Weird.  My secondary delay/looping rack is inoperative, sort of.
It's almost like its on strike.

My ART SGE (who most people hate but I like it's delay/modulation
reverb FX) seems to still work as far as its analog effects, but
all the delay/modulation/reverb effects produce this kind of sound
if you put something through it:


GGGhhHhhhSfhfffffxxxxxx....................

It's like an instant grungifier.  All of the controls still seem
to work, I tried resetting to factory defaults and that didn't
work either.  

The sound is best described as a combination of: 60 hz hum, white
noise, and and horribly distorted jiggling.  

If I use the analog effects (compressor, eq, etc) they seem to work.
I guess I should write the ART people and ask them what's happening.

I get catalogs in the mail from new and used gear companies all the
time and still see the damn things for sale for about $250 or so,
so I guess it's worth getting fixed.  

Plus, Trey Gunn has one and I can hear on his albums when he uses it.
He uses it for the same things that I do, oddly enough.  The digital
chorus is especially nice.

I still have my Vortex of course.

Maybe I should go to a local gear emporium and look at the cast off
guitars by frustrated teens who couldn't master the Eaug9 chord.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:24:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lambrecht <hideo@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. 
Message-Id: <199801301424.JAA28902@mcfeely.concentric.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Old Ross AC powered flanger pedal--flange isn't as extreme as my Boss, but
the tone is really nice

also have been playing with a Boss LMB-3 (bass
enhancer--compressor-limiter)--not vintage, but kind of a quick and dirty
soltution to cleaning up muddy didgeridoo and bass without resorting to  . .
. THE RACK

and of course the RDS 8000 wonderbox--it slices, it dices, it slaps back . . . .

thanks for sharing,

Tom

" . . . thin . . CRUMMY . .disharmonic . . .NOISE . . . . . DAOOOOOOOHHH!"




At 01:27 PM 1/29/98 -0800, you wrote:
>At 9:10 PM 1/28/98, CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote:
>>i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp
>>boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be
>>interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O
>
>I have 2 current faves, an original Electro-Harmonix Memory Man analog
>delay, and the DOD Gonkulator distortion/ring modulator. The MM is a great
>source of sounds on its own, by twiddling with the delay and feedback
>knobs, and has a very seasick-sounding chorus mode. The Gonkulator is a
>pretty lousy ring modulator, it only gives you a fixed 500hz modulating
>frequency, no external input, and it emits a constant 500hz buzz when it's
>engaged, whether there's any input signal or not, but, still, it's great
>for thin, crummy disharmonic noise. And we all love that, don't we?
>
>________________________________________________________
>Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/
>
>"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
>gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
>your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
>type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
>together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
>together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
>                                            -Sun Ra
>________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
Tom Lambrecht  hideo@concentric.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:27:08 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-Id: <v01510104b0f6a2525726@[128.193.5.194]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 9:10 PM 1/28/98, CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote:
>i know this is slightly off-topic, but...I almost always use funky old stomp
>boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be
>interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping. O

I have 2 current faves, an original Electro-Harmonix Memory Man analog
delay, and the DOD Gonkulator distortion/ring modulator. The MM is a great
source of sounds on its own, by twiddling with the delay and feedback
knobs, and has a very seasick-sounding chorus mode. The Gonkulator is a
pretty lousy ring modulator, it only gives you a fixed 500hz modulating
frequency, no external input, and it emits a constant 500hz buzz when it's
engaged, whether there's any input signal or not, but, still, it's great
for thin, crummy disharmonic noise. And we all love that, don't we?

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:36:36 -0500
From: Ed Drake <ejmd@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Selling stuff over the internet
Message-Id: <l03130302b0f65e62d009@[207.172.61.219]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I had a question for anybody out there in loopland. I have an ADA MC-1 midi
controller for sale and I've had a response via the net, so I was wondering
what is the best way to avoid being ripped off? I've heard that shipping
COD via one of the package carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, etc) is the best way but
does anyone have advice or experiences they would like to share? Pardon my
naivete concerning this.
Thanks!
Ed

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:14:38 -0600
From: "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Maritz.com>
To: "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Maritz.com>,
        "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix!
Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC06@migarexch01.maritz.com>

I second the request for  an EH 16-second delay manual. There's a guy
who sells copies for $1.50 a page, but that seems a little high . . .

steuart

> ----------
> From: 	CORROSIVE@aol.com
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:17 AM
> To: 	LiebigSA@maritz.com
> Subject: 	time machines/electro harmonix!
> 
> hey, I just found my manual for the RDS-8000...spose i could scan it
> if
> anybody cares. I also have one for the EH super replay- anybody out
> there
> have the EH 16 sec dig delay manual scanned?? that would be cool to
> check out
>    >>>>gregor
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:27:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Monkici@aol.com
To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com
Subject: jamman update chips?
Message-ID: <980130122757_975142935@mrin52>

could someone please e-mail me directly the phone/address for inexpensive
upgrade memory for lex jamMan.  any help is greatly appreciated...
rich
513 861 1687

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:25:43 EST
From: Texture444@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Signal Path Necromancy
Message-ID: <6d0b0fb7.34d1e2ea@aol.com>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

am i missing a piece of yer puzzle, here? or:
why dontcha just patch the looper input on a pre-fader fx send, so's ya can
selectively send channel signals to it?
in the case of stereo channels being sent, you could:
	a) use yer ganged stereo channels, ifya have 'em (w/single-control sends for
stereo),
	2) send only one side of the stereo pic, asyer gonna be mucking all kindsa
phase to/inside yer mono looper, anyhow.....
	*) make a physical bridge tween 2 of yer adjacent channel sends, so whenya
move one, ya moves de udder.
but:
did i understood yer question correctly?
dt

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:35:25 +0000
From: tbajus <nyfac2@nyfac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-ID: <34D1ACEC.C48@nyfac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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I have to say one of my favorite toys is my ancient pink Ibanez analog
delay pedal. Crank the feedback all the way up and twiddle the time knob
and the thing just goes berzerk. Great overtones on the runnaway, as
well- The little bastard won't evolving the sound.

Makes you wonder how long the loop is on that- .01 sec?



Trevor

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:17 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@earthlight.net>
CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Top 5
Message-ID: <34D1FA3D.3972@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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James Brown-Star Time
Public Enemy-Fear of a Black Planet
Golden Rain: Balinese Gamelan Music/Ketjak: the Ramayana 
Monkey Chant
Jaco Pastorius-Honestly
Elliot Sharp (w/ Mike Watt & George Hurley)-Bootstrappers 

-- 
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 10:23:37 -0000
From: "T.W. Hartnett" <hartnett.t@apple.com>
To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: time machines/electro harmonix!
Message-Id: <199801301623.IAA26866@scv3.apple.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>P.S. I've heard that EH is going to reissue the 16-second, but when?
>Does anybody have any info on this?

I called the EH folks about this a couple of months ago, and they 
confirmed that it's going to be reissued, but could only say sometime in 
'98.

Travis Hartnett

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:15:43 -0700
From: "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimensional.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Signal Path Necromancy
Message-Id: <199801302021.NAA02845@hyper.dimensional.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
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Doktor Dave said:

> am i missing a piece of yer puzzle, here? or:
> why dontcha just patch the looper input on a pre-fader fx send, so's ya
can
> selectively send channel signals to it?

Hmm... that IS pretty simple and elegant.  In fact, I had it set up that
way initially and now I can't remember why I changed it.  FX send to looper
in, looper out to vacant channel on the mixer, then bring up the FX level
on that channel.  All I gotta do is bring up the master send level on the
FX send and the return level on the channels in question.  That indeed
sends dry signal to the looper which solves the puzzle.  

Thank you, kind sir.

Okay, here's another puzzle:  What the hell was I thinking?

Scott Bullerwell
tanelorn@dimensional.com
Boulder, Colorado, USA

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:30:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Ring <nick@simons-rock.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: jamman update chips?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980130152944.27133A-100000@plato>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 Monkici@aol.com wrote:
> could someone please e-mail me directly the phone/address for inexpensive
> upgrade memory for lex jamMan.  any help is greatly appreciated...


rich, I don't have a jamman, but I saved this info in case I ever got one.
I don't know what the latest is, but:

This might be old news, but I just bought the 32 second upgrade for my
JamMan
 at a place called L.A. Trade (800-433-3726) for a measly $44. My friend
paid
 over $100 for his 2 years ago.


	that was dated in october.  Hope it helps.

					-nick

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:46:33 -0700
From: "Scott Bullerwell" <tanelorn@dimensional.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-Id: <199801301652.JAA01998@hyper.dimensional.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
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gregor wrote:

> i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i have a
bunch
> o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision is an
> issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live,
hence
> the Parker interest.

I like the overall feel and playability of Parker's Fly.  However, I found
the piezo pickups made the entire instrument extremely microphonic and
sensitive to handling noise, esp. the noise my admittedly ham-fisted
handling of the vibrato arm generates.  Also, the piezos tended to squeal
at modest volumes.  Apart from that: it's very lightweight, has a nicely
resonant tone (with the piezos blended into the mag pickups), and stays in
tune like crazy.  In that respect it's comparable to the Carvin Holdsworth
(which would make a strong man cry, it's so sweet).

Scott Bullerwell
Boulder, Colorado, USA
tanelorn@dimensional.com 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:41:35 EST
From: PMimlitsch@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, stickwire-l@netcom.com
Subject: Stick/Loop Gig
Message-ID: <b2bb19bd.34d25721@aol.com>
Content-type: text/plain

Sat. Jan. 31st 8:00pm w/"Adelante" at A.J. Muggas Uncommon Grounds, S. Park
St., Merchantville, New Jersey (609) 317-0199.  Adelante is: J.Jody Janetta
(Percussion/Treated Voice), Paul Mimlitsch (Chapman StickŪ/Loops), Michael
Robbins (Violin/Viola).
<<http://199.34.54.131/newcommunity/jazz/adelante.htm>>


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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:47:13 EST
From: doina@juno.com (doina o o)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: re: 5 loopin' choices
Message-ID: <19980130.104529.4951.0.DOINA@juno.com>

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:33:03 -0500 (EST) CORROSIVE@aol.com writes:
>Ok, cool- now that were being gear indulgent, how about everybody 
>listing
>their top 5 loop oriented desert island discs...>


              great idea !
..."discs"... can i change that to "works"?

1.  music of the pygmies of Central Africa 
                       (especially "choir yodels")  
2.  Steve Reich's work 
             (Piano Phase being the most seraphic)  
3.  Ingram Marshall  - Hidden Voices  
4.  Maurice Ravel  - Bolero  
5.  the choir of my "plex"ed voice  
           (i wasn't a narcist before the plex)  

Also, any of you has a copy of the first "loopers CD"?  

smiles !  (Corynne, can i use it, pleeeease! )  

Paparuda 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:12:59 -0600
From: "Liebig, Steuart A." <LiebigSA@Maritz.com>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Re: funky vintage boxes..
Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD014CC14@migarexch01.maritz.com>

I use 6-string basses with a piezo film pickup under each bridge. This
is precisely to GET body resonances/squeals, etc. In addition to the
already mentioned body resonance, you can play the body like a drum or
play the strings behind the bridge or behind the nut (particularly
effective when used with fuzz). This can lead to some really incredible
industrial sounding loops or other mayhem.

So . . . piezos are recommended.

steuart

> ----------
> From: 	Scott Bullerwell
> Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> Sent: 	Friday, January 30, 1998 1:46 PM
> To: 	LiebigSA@maritz.com
> Subject: 	Re: Re: funky vintage boxes..
> 
> gregor wrote:
> 
> > i've been wondering about Parker fly's (flies?) for a while... i
> have a
> bunch
> > o vintage guitars, but also have a Steinberger i use when precision
> is an
> > issue..but the lack of a headstock buggs me too much to use it live,
> hence
> > the Parker interest.
> 
> I like the overall feel and playability of Parker's Fly.  However, I
> found
> the piezo pickups made the entire instrument extremely microphonic and
> sensitive to handling noise, esp. the noise my admittedly ham-fisted
> handling of the vibrato arm generates.  Also, the piezos tended to
> squeal
> at modest volumes.  Apart from that: it's very lightweight, has a
> nicely
> resonant tone (with the piezos blended into the mag pickups), and
> stays in
> tune like crazy.  In that respect it's comparable to the Carvin
> Holdsworth
> (which would make a strong man cry, it's so sweet).
> 
> Scott Bullerwell
> Boulder, Colorado, USA
> tanelorn@dimensional.com 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:55:26 -0500
From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re:  Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet
Message-Id: <199801301655.AA16609@world.std.com>

[buying used through the mail]
>Never have I had a bad piece of gear.

Obviously this is anecdotal.  Some people
won't get burned and some people will.

I appear to have gotten burned with my
Vortex.  It's possible that this problem
has only recently developed, but I'm quite
sure I'd never bothered trying this before.

I finally (four months after buying it!)
decided to give its morphing capabilities
a work out--until now I just morphed between
existing patches.  (And mostly I didn't
morph at all because I use it as a post-loop
processor.)

So I was going to morph between a patch
and "itself" (a variant of itself), so I
copied the patch from an A register to
a B register.

Lo and behold, I have discovered that this
Vortex flakes out on exactly this operation
(goodness knows this doesn't make any sense
as either a hardware problem or a software
problem, as far as I can see).  If a patch
is copied from A to B, it comes out entirely
messed up (and non-musical) in B--generally
either extremely muted and in (apparent) mono,
or loud and horribly (digitally?) clipped,
generally in a different way in L & R channels,
or it self-oscillates in some way producing
very loud randomly squiggling unmusical noise.
Sometimes, switching away to another patch and
then back changes the mode of the behavior.
Powering the Vortex down and back up doesn't
make any difference.

Copying from B to A does not exhibit this problem,
I believe.  I'm not sure how exhaustive my
testing was at the time.  Hmm, I'm not even
sure I ever copied from one B to another B.

Anyway, obviously, for Vortex and Jamman
you've got to buy used.  Caveat emptor, I
suppose.

Sean Barrett

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