------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: Re: Back in the Saddle Again [ Kim Flint ] Re: Mackies and Loopers [ Kim Flint ] Re: Another NAMM Report [ Kim Flint ] Re: Mackis cusomer service--was: Mac [ Tom Lambrecht ] Re: desert island disk: Jesus Blood [ Peter Thompson ] The new ebows [ tbajus ] Re: Mackies and Loopers [ tbajus ] Re: Another NAMM Report [ tbajus ] Re: Different EBows was Re: Another [ "Stephen P. Goodman" ] Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: The new ebows [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:42:55 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle Again Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Meyers wrote: >Cripes, annihilist wouldn't let me in since Dec. 13th; my ISP just figured >out how to fix the problem, whatever it was. very glad this is fixed! My ISP claims to have made some changes as well, I guess something worked. >BTW, I wanted to put in my .02 regarding a desert island looper's list: > >1) Paul Dresher "Liquid and Stellar Music" I was quite amused to find that Paul and I both have a very special fondness for Ministry. He says he likes to play their cd's while setting up for performances, and listens to them quite a bit. "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" would be one of my favorite loop albums ever. I'm praying for a Paul Dresher/Al Jourgensen collaboration..... >More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an >interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is >it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for >samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as >for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe >they've had music people return RAM more often? Try: "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones that nobody else will buy." kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:31:19 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: usonian@bellsouth.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:59 PM -0500 2/1/98, Samuel D. Burns wrote: >Incidentally, I was losing at Scrabble a few weeks ago when my opponent >said that >"loopers" was a word. I challenged, and lost. Check the dictionary...it may >surprise you what a "looper" is according to Webster. It took me a while to figure out why I was getting spam from pesticide and agricultural equipment manufacturers after I started this thing, but was really quite amused when I figured it out...;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:10:20 -0800 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain At 8:06 PM -0500 1/31/98, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >2. The Signature 284 All tube Class A Stereo Guitar Amplifier, optimized for didn't listen to this one, but a fellow on a guitar tone obsessed list I follow described it as "a transistor radio with the batteries going dead." Presumably that's a bad thing. Why Lexicon is trying to produce all tube guitar amps is a bit baffling...... >When asked about looping, my contact claimed that they’d been >kicking>themselves over dropping the Jamman, since they started getting >big orders>shortly thereafter, and would “definitely” be back in the >looping game “soon.” I guess that's why they've done nothing with Bob Sellon's JamMan upgrades? >Electro-Harmonix guy told me that the 16-sec delay was still in the works, >and>would be “exactly the same...” exactly the same, except "this time it won't break down ever." Which of course, means it won't be "exactly" the same. The vintage market will undoubtedly find some way to prove that there is still a reason to pay $1200 for the old one. >tc electronic’s FireworX multifx looked extremely powerful, like a >second-gen>G-Force that even includes a MIDI-addressable mono synth, has >programmable>“insert” capabilities--like an fx loop using either the >digital or analog i/o>that you’re not already using, as far as I can >figure--programmable feedback>loops, modulatable modulators (including a >kind of mini sequencer called>“freeform”), and you can divide up the dsp >horsepower any way you want, using>multiple blocks of any algorithms that >use less than 50% of the resources. The>front-panel block buttons include >Dynamic, Filters, Formant, Distort, Vocode,>Synth, Pitch, Chorus, Delay, >Reverb, Pan, and EQ...and there are ring mod,>noise, and reverse delay >options, altho the delay times didn’t appear to be>any longer than on the >G-Force (well under 2 sec). This thing is extremely cool! Pricey, but definitely a sound designer's dream toy. >Roland had some neat stuff (a 24-bit 8-in, 16-out version of the VS-880 >with a>bigger screen, a super phrase sampler that caches directly to a >zip drive for>about 26 minutes of stereo sampling and used 2 simultaneous >Dimension Beam>controllers to modulate fx or control audio....), but >nothing new on the>guitar front. The VG-8 is still in the catalog, tho... The roland SP-808 groovesampler is my vote for the coolest thing I saw at the show. Oriented towards remixing, but full of cool sounding features. However, roland has a knack for making stuff that is incredible at first glance but problematic and disappointing in practical use. (MC-303, GR-30, etc....) So, I'll wait for the jury to come back on this one. >Believe me, it was PAINful to have to leave the show before I saw more! Believe me, it was PAINFUL to stay there long. The damn LA convention center is very spread out and has too many different levels. After a few days of walking for miles, my legs and feet were killing me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:07:44 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackis cusomer service--was: Mackies and Loopers (also used gear by Net) Message-Id: <199802021307.IAA12152@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trevor: I don't specifically have an opinion about Soundcraftsman mixers,but this thread prompts me to share a recent experience I had with Mackie . . . bought one of the M1200 power amps over the Web for a great price--arrived nestled in an SKB two space, both in excellent shape--plugged it in . . . green power light and nothing else---no FAN, no CRANK :( contacted the seller who was mortified and assured me that it worked the last time he had it powered up--he had FedX CODed it to me and picked up most of the freight and I sincerely believed he wasn't pulling a fast one ( had that difficult-to-describe GOOD VIBE about this seller--who turned out to be a fellow hobbyist user who designs custom ORGANIC MOLECULES) . He offered to return my cashier's check and to pay for return freight for the amp OR to pay for the freight to ship to Mackie for warranty (amp was less than 9 months into a 3 year transferrrable warranty) I opted for the latter--he volunteered to hold the check till all was resolved without going into ALL the details, Mackie's customer service was among the VERY BEST I have ever encountered ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Someone from the Service Department who I had called to get an RA # (and see if I could get it serviced locally) late Friday afternoon was gone for the weekend--I left a message in his voice mail, making a mental note to call back on Monday to harangue-----He apparently retrieved his messages while HANGGLIDING or whatever these NW types do and had one of his subordinates call me back about three hours later at about 6PM PDT??!!! FRIDAY !!!!! (REMEMBER--this is about a non-revenue generating, pain in the ass, repair on a second-party warranty) I made two more calls while the amp was in the que--(word of explanation--you ship air to the Warranty Department--your piece goes to hte head of the line--turns over in two days and they NEXT DAY Air it back to you--if you send it Ground (which I did) it goes in the que (mine took two weeks and they Two Day Air it back to you)--both calls were returned by the appropriate people withhin hours Got the amp back worked perfectly, but no indication on hte invoice of what was wrong--called warranty and left a message--guy called me back in two hours--told me a limiter circuit component was replaced and without making a big deal of it, let me knoww that they went ahead and upped the internal fuse to 20A and upgraded another circuit to current production spec. Brothers and Sisters--I hate to type so you can tell how this experience has moved me--I'm not a "BUY USA" cheerleader-tyoe but these guys are ON THE BALL and being a toy lover, I've had to deal with alot of companies that were NOT--I won't name names . . . but most recently . . . IBM, Dell, White-Westinghouse (I've been looping the noisy compressor for that pleasing grungy INDUSTRIAL sound) But, I digress--MIXERWISE--picked up a used 1202VLZ (while the amp was commuting to the NW) which has blown me away with it's quiet operation, smooth pots and GOBS of GAIN on the first four channels (it cleared up a low output hum problem from an old Roland Juno 6--since when does adding more cables and another device IMPROVE the sound ;) and extremely flexible routing (incidentally hold out for the VLZ) there is a reason why the BIG BOYS use these things drone on~~~~~~~~~Tom PS Trevor--thanks for the offer to send the scans of the manuals for the much ballyhooed Time Machine Loopers page--I'll let you know as soon as I figure out who can/will pprocess this stuff into the finished jewel. At 06:03 PM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > > On a slightly different note, does anyone have an opinion RE >Soundcraft boards vs. Mackie? > > Thanks, > TREVOR. > >> I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other >> mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:22:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackie product literature --was: Mackies and Loopers Message-Id: <199802021322.IAA14349@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, by the way--i can spell--both "customer" and "Mackie" . . .just seeing if anyone reads these things Another thing I just thought of for those who are mixer shopping is their free totally EXCELLENT catalog (dude) which is more informative than some manufacturors owner's manuals I learned a lot about mixing cables, input levels and effects routing when I got one not to mention why their mixers are a litlle more $ and why alot of people try to copy their designs . . . call 800.898.3211 Oh, and their owners manuals are a picture of clarity, without being stuffy--actually humorous in stretches--NONE of these incomprehensible, labored translations, e.g. "for bestest sound clearness, traffic wires ending in XLR outlets give lasting shiny mix, Imperialist,round-eye . . ." No, Mackie DID NOT put me up to this--Yes, I wuv Mackie Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:21:28 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V98 #27 Message-ID: <34D5D668.7407@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To add a little more, the famous fernades sustainer uses also the same magnetic field excitation system, and you can switch on it form root/octave up/ fifth above the octave up (12th). So;;; >> The New E-Bow has an octave-up switch... >> > >What? E-Bows set up a magnetic field which excites the string. It's the string >length and taughtness that controls the pitch not the magnetic field. Or am I >missing something? Well, I guess you're missing a copy of Heet Sound's "Next Generation EBow" flyer and the riveting experience of hearing the new EBow in person....and, OK, they call it "a gruesome harmonic position just a switch away," but essentially it's an octave-up switch. You can take it up with them at 213-687-9946 and hear a demo at 213-625-3269. dpc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Message-Id: <199802021325.IAA14750@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How about an E-Bow or clone that actually works on bass ??? field activated<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Tom At 10:53 PM 2/1/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>Ok, so what are the differences between the old EBow and the new one? I am >>just about to order one, does the new one sound different? I have heard the >>original EBows had a more mellow tone, the current ones more "harsh" or >>overdriven. Please elaborate!!! >> >>Marshall > >As far as I know there are 3 previous generations of EBow, not including >this new "octave up"one, which are distinguishable by physical >characteristics as well as sonic ones. The original ones were the chrome >ones, which I've never tried but I hear were the mellowest in drive and >weakest in sensitivity (starting the string vibrating). These are very hard >to find and I don't have any idea what the price would be if you did. The >2nd generation EBows (my first) were distinguished by being made of black >plastic with a red EBow logo. These had more drive and a higher >sensitivity. The most recently available EBow (3rd gen) are also black >plastic but with a white logo on the outside. These have about the same >drive as the red EBows but have even more sensitivity. I have a red and a >white model. This sensitivity difference between the two is noticeable, as >I use one a lot with an acoustic electric steel string guitar, and the >white one starts the string vibrating much more quickly than the red >without having to hammer the left hand notes down as hard. > >I don't know if this new "octave up" one is even available yet, as I know >often at NAMM, companies demo new gear and take orders for it but you don't >actually see it for sale for a while. Does any one know when it will be >available and what the price will be and are there any other differences >other than the "octave up"? > >Ed > > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:41:12 -0000 From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Fernandes Sustainer Message-ID: <001001bd2fe0$3b3bda80$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, two q's: 1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? 2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? Cheers Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:03:16 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: desert island disk: Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet Message-ID: <19980202140316125.AAA92@LARCH.interagp.com> This weekend I listened to Gavin Bryars masterpiece 'Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet', which never fails to affect me emotionally. It occurred to me that, even though it's not the traditional looping music (i.e., no live interaction or modification of the loop), it does have a loop at its heart. For those unfamiliar with the piece, it is built around a loop of a tramp singing one verse of an old hymn, and Bryars adds several layers of orchestral accompaniment. The piece was first released on Brian Eno's Obscure label twenty years ago, but for the CD release on Philip Glass's Point Music, Bryars extended the piece with more flavors of orchestra. And as it turned out, Tom Waits was a big fan of the piece, so Waits sings along with the tramp at the end. Waits is in top form, some of his best work ever. Plus, how many orchestral looping pieces are there? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Message-ID: <980202095845_576314003@mrin51.mx> hello all, sorry to jump in on a converstion, but in regard to the mackie vs soundcraft thing: mackies are cheap, quiet and they have excellent customer support. i highly reccomend them for settings where size, reliability and money are concerns. they should be commended for great products. But, they just don't sound as good as your average soundcraft ( not the new plastic boards, either). i have owned and used lots of mackie gear and have no complaints other than that the mic pre's sound thin. period. i dare you to A/B them with any old soundcraft or MCI or API console. sorry, but i mostly produce records for a living and think we shouldn't confuse reliability, price and customer service (all very important) with plain good sound. of course it is entirely subjective, but i've yet to hear otherwise from anyone who has checked it out. peace, r. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:41:17 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980202164117.18c7219a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!! I'm currently trying to build one myself, as soon as I get the cash for the pickup together.... >2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? Yes, but it's a secret! ;b But really, I'm not sure if it's anything more than a sustainer -type system with a bit more control over the cct via a footswitch. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:10:18 +0000 From: Os To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: zoom effects units/vocoding Message-ID: <34D5E1DA.8581BD7D@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any experience of the Zoom 1201 and/or 1204 effects units? Anyone ever combined looping with vocoding? I'm wondering what would happen if you vocoded a loop with itself, somehow.... -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:15:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Thompson To: Caleb Deupree cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: desert island disk: Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Plus, how many orchestral looping pieces are there? > > > I suppose I am stretching the definition of looping to an extreme here, but the repetition of a musical figure or harmonic progression is a standard device in classical, if not orchestral music. Think of Bach's Chaconne in D minor, Pachelbel's Canon, Ravel's Bolero etc. There is a piece for solo lute by John Dowland (ca 1600) which consists of a repeated descending chromatic scale around which he weaves various harmonic and melodic threads. If only he'd had a JamMan.... Peter Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 10:18:36 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re: test Message-Id: <9802028864.AA886432864@chadbourne.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: test Author: at -fabrik/internet Date: 01/30/98 07:14 PM test ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:36:52 +0000 From: tbajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The new ebows Message-ID: <34D5A1C4.10AD@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fortunately for me, I am ready to get a new Ebow (having almost distroyed my third one)... Anybody ever have on of the old, metal chassis Ebows? I just can't get mine to sound as good a Daniel Ash's (it must be the gear, right? Right?) Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:39:02 +0000 From: tbajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackies and Loopers Message-ID: <34D5A246.461@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VanEyck wrote: > > On a slightly different note, does anyone have an opinion RE > Soundcraft boards vs. Mackie? > > Thanks, > TREVOR. > > > I agree...I also use this Mackie...amazing sound quality improvement over other > > mixers...I did not realize what a difference it would make. I have heard that the Soundcraft boards are a bit noisier, but significantly warmer. I have an old 1202 and a 1604, and I have always found them to be a bit sterile. Trevor Bajus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:43:18 +0000 From: tbajus To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another NAMM Report Message-ID: <34D5A346.4F9B@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be nice if they would make one that could drive 2 or three strings at a time. I have not yet felt the need to go out and buy a fernandez just for this, but my irresponcibility is legendary. Trevor B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:53:13 -0800 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Different EBows was Re: Another NAMM Report Message-ID: <001c01bd2d97$2da45d20$2222dacf@stepheng> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tom Lambrecht >How about an E-Bow or clone that actually works on bass ??? It's interesting given all this chatter - when I exchanged a few emails over a year ago with the folks at E-Bow, they said that a unit that works on bass is their Highest Request, the second place going to a multiple-string unit. Alas. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:51:39 -0700 From: "Scott Bullerwell" To: Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Message-Id: <199802021557.IAA18745@hyper.dimensional.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This summer, I convinced Chapman Stick artist Steve Hahn (http://www.deepchocolate.com) that he needed a new mixer to replace his antique Tascam. We tried out a borrowed Mackie (very good, but not as much bang for your buck as...), my Carvin (a really good value, but I'm gonna be replacing it with...) and finally a Behringer 2642. With the Behringer it was like the clouds parted and the light came shining down. Initially I was skeptical because they're made in China, but after six months of reliable use in the studio and on the road Steve's a believer (and I'm off the hook)--plus, we opened it up and the boards, traces, wave soldering, point soldering, wiring harnesses, etc. are gorgeous. Not a cold joint or dodgy-looking component to be found. I looked into a few others: Spirit and Peavey, to be precise. Yuk. Flimsy, scratchy sounding faders. How's it sound? Transparent. He's using it with an ADAT-XT, and mixdowns to DAT made via the 2642 sound pristine. The quality of the discrete preamps is supa-fine, the EQ section is sweet and subtle, and the power supply is rugged and isolated from the board (and thus your rack should you choose to rackmount it. Most all of the 1/4" connections are balanced (and all of the XLR conns are, of course), so you can do some long distance runaround and not worry about the electric motor in the fog machine makin' line noise. The local deal on it was 550 bones (USD). Scott Bullerwell tanelorn@dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fernandes Sustainer Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You may not believe this but a friend of mine who has used Daniel Lanois infinite guitar (given to him by Michael Brook), noted that there is a huge cavity shaved out of the back of the guitar that holds: are you ready for this? A modified Electro Harmonix Memory Man. Best, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > >1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? > > Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!! > I'm currently trying to build one myself, as soon as I get the cash for the > pickup together.... > > >2) Does anyone know how Michael Brook's Infinite Guitar works? > > Yes, but it's a secret! ;b > > But really, I'm not sure if it's anything more than a sustainer -type > system with a bit more control over the cct via a footswitch. > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer Message-ID: <980202113640_372078400@mrin53> <<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about retro-fits and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. dpc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 10:33:11 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: The new ebows Message-Id: <199802021632.IAA19135142@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anybody ever have on of the old, metal chassis Ebows? I just can't get >mine to sound as good a Daniel Ash's (it must be the gear, right? >Right?) They weren't metal, they were chrome colored. Slightly bigger than the current ones, and a phenomenal pain in the ass. Or maybe it was just the two that I ran into. They had a built-in battery-saver feature, which mean that they would switch themselves off whenever it decided that it wasn't being used, which always seemed to coincide with when you were using the damn thing. They were a lot more difficult to use, but worked on the same principle. You probably need to get one of those H&H solid-state amps like Ash always uses. They sound real, uh, unique. Travis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:55:14 -0500 From: David White To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location. Message-Id: <98Feb2.115812est.18832@thicket.arbortext.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann Arbor, MI Dave White Tortoise Studio Productions mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you think > we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could all > get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. > > I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. > > Later, > > Mark Sottilaro --------------------------------