------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 29 Today's Topics: Sustainer retrofit [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM [ "Ott, John" ] Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM [ "Peter Thompson" ] Re: SIMMs [ David Myers ] Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... [ dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) ] Simm sound [ Fmplautus@aol.com ] Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... [ dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) ] RE: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the in [ "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Sustainer retrofit Message-Id: <199802021706.JAA18578@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ><<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a retro-fit? > >Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> >Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about retro-fits >and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up >correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't >guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. The Sustainiac system is available as a retrofit, but it also goes for about $400. You send them your pickguard and pickups, they wire everything up and send it back, or you can send them the whole guitar. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:08:28 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Location. Message-Id: <199802021707.JAA19402036@scv1.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you >think >> we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we could >all >> get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. If you look at the Looper's Delight homepage, most people have included their location in the Loopers of the World section. Travis Hartnett Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:09:26 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Back in the Saddle Again Message-Id: <199802021708.JAA17854@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I don't >think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have been >pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of gear? I kept >wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been out of >place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was waiting for the >right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended to--or didn't >know how. Yeah, that's probably it. >It seems that he believes he's doing >something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is presenting a >rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely unfamiliar >with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily reminicent >of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected "Red", and >if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this is part of >what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it "inviting them >to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to me that it's >mostly just self-indulgence. I know what you mean--I hate it when artists indulge themselves instead of indulging me. >Also, I must say that you guys who can tolerate "Door X" must have a screw >loose. What the hell was David thinking? Did you ever hear the albums on >which even Herbie Hancock decided to sing? Please! The nerve. And remember when Miles stopped playing bebop? It was all downhill after that. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:20:41 -0500 From: Darcy Clark To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Location. Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ann Arbor, MI here also ! only been looping for about 6 months, but loving my jamman/vortex combo ;) Darcy Clark University of Michigan --------------------- >Ann Arbor, MI > >Dave White >Tortoise Studio Productions > >mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey Loopers. >> >> Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. Do you >>think >> we could all give an email with a location to the list? That way we >>could all >> get an idea of what kind of dispersion there is among us. >> >> I'm living in Syracuse NY at the moment. >> >> Later, >> >> Mark Sottilaro Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (734) 764 3377 Fax (734) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://mseadmin.engin.umich.edu:591/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 1998 17:26:33 -0000 From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: location Message-ID: <19980202172633.23808.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. > Do you think we could all give an email with a location to the list? > Valley Forge, PA. That's about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, where George Washington and the Continental Army hid from the British not too long ago. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:37:13 -0800 From: Chris Chovit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Vortex & Ibanez delay Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's some gear for sale: Lexicon Vortex: xlnt cond. w/ footswitch, cable, p/s & manual Ibanez DM-1000 digital delay, ~1 sec max delay time I'll take offers for ~ 1 week - chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:49:51 -0600 From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Message-ID: >>>>quote>>> > From: Dpcoffin@aol.com > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:42 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: Re: Fernandes Sustainer > > <<>1) Is the Fernandes or any other sustainer available as a > retro-fit? > > Yes, but Fernandez charge a wallet-smasking 272UK for it ($400)!!!>> > Interesting...I asked the guy at the Fernandes NAMM booth about > retro-fits > and he said absolutely not, too complicated getting the thing set up > correctly and since it interacts with the bridge pickup, they couldn't > guarentee that it would work well with all other pickups. > dpc >>>>> end quote >>>> I think the Fernandes guy is clueless. I have a catalog from Fernandes that has the sustainer in it. Reeves Gabriel had one put in a Parker Nitefly, But had Ken Parker give him a body that was not fully milled. The standard Nitefly body is too thin to hold the sustainer. How do these sustainer sound? I've heard from guys that have tried some and said the pickup sound was not good. I notice that both Fripp and Gabriel don't use the sustainers for sound but use a Roland GK-2 pickup into a GR synth or VG-8 to get sounds. later John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:59:26 -0000 From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re: RE:Fernandes guy at NAMM Message-ID: <000701bd3004$4d41c400$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice that > both Fripp and Gabriel don't use the sustainers for sound but > use a Roland GK-2 pickup into a GR synth or VG-8 to get > sounds. > > > later > John > > Robert Fripp is now using a Sustainer-equipped Fernandes Les Paul and has been at least since I saw King Crimson in London a couple of years ago. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:00:25 EST From: Ahanning@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Different EBows Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rumour has it they were going to be bringing about an Ebow kinda thing aimed at acoustic guitars sometime this year. Anyone else know anything about this? Alex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mackie product literature --was: Mackies and Loopers Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Oh, and their owners manuals are a picture of clarity, without being >stuffy--actually humorous in stretches--NONE of these incomprehensible, >labored translations, e.g. "for bestest sound clearness, traffic wires >ending in XLR outlets give lasting shiny mix, Imperialist,round-eye . . ." > >No, Mackie DID NOT put me up to this--Yes, I wuv Mackie > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net And when was the last time you got a manual that gave detailed instructions for doing mods on the unit to more accurately address your particular needs?! I also wuv my 1202 VLZ. I wondered if two effects sends would fulfill my deepest desires, but this puppy allows so many routing alternatives that I don't think I'll ever come up short. Support these guys. David Myers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:24:32 -0500 From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: SIMMs Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an >>interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is >>it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for >>samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as >>for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe >>they've had music people return RAM more often? > >Try: "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound >will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones >that nobody else will buy." > >kim Kim: No doubt this is at play often, but my actual scenario was even weirder. The girl on the line actually admitted to me that they were selling the SAME SIMMs to computer people for $15, but as sampler memory the price was $25. SAME SIMMs. Wow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:08:20 -0700 From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >hello all, > sorry to jump in on a converstion, but in regard to the mackie vs >soundcraft thing: mackies are cheap, quiet and they have excellent customer >support. i highly reccomend them for settings where size, reliability and >money are concerns. they should be commended for great products. True. True. >But, they >just don't sound as good as your average soundcraft ( not the new plastic >boards, either). Sad, but also true. >i have owned and used lots of mackie gear and have no >complaints other than that the mic pre's sound thin. (oh come now, you're being very generous) >period. i dare you to >A/B them with any old soundcraft or MCI or API console. sorry, but i mostly >produce records for a living and think we shouldn't confuse reliability, >price and customer service (all very important) with plain good sound. of >course it is entirely subjective, but i've yet to hear otherwise from anyone >who has checked it out. All good points. My studio experience with the Mackie has been mostly positive, though the preamps don't have NEARLY enough gain. This is, in part, how Mackie achives such stellar specs. I've been working with a studio equiped with a 32x8 w/ a 24 chanel expander, and for most aplications, we have been bypassing the Mackie pres altogether, using the board only for tape returns. This means two racks full of Focusrite, Brent Averil, Grace, Summit Audio, and Avalon front end. So, in our application, the Mackie has saved no space over other consoles, though the clients are REALLY impressed by the front end. For what it's worth. . . Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:22:41 EST From: Fmplautus@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Simm sound Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim wrote... "gee, musicians are actually dumb enough to believe that their sound will be affected by the simms they use! Let's unload these expensive ones that nobody else will buy." The LoOpDoctORs can here the difference between different batches of SIMMS in both the Echoplex and the Jammen. We've come to prefer the Vintage Malaysian Simms from 1994...buttery mids and clear, warm highs, kind of like taking a dip in a waterfall on the road to Mandalay. And we turned Eric Johnson onto the Duracels you know. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:27:13 -0700 From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mackie? vs. soundcraft... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This summer, I convinced Chapman Stick artist Steve Hahn >(http://www.deepchocolate.com) that he needed a new mixer to replace his >antique Tascam. We tried out a borrowed Mackie (very good, but not as much >bang for your buck as...), my Carvin (a really good value, but I'm gonna be >replacing it with...) and finally a Behringer 2642. With the Behringer it >was like the clouds parted and the light came shining down. Initially I >was skeptical because they're made in China, but after six months of >reliable use in the studio and on the road Steve's a believer (and I'm off >the hook)--plus, we opened it up and the boards, traces, wave soldering, >point soldering, wiring harnesses, etc. are gorgeous. Not a cold joint or >dodgy-looking component to be found. > >I looked into a few others: Spirit and Peavey, to be precise. Yuk. >Flimsy, scratchy sounding faders. Yeah, they've always made crap, and they always will. >How's it sound? Transparent. He's using it with an ADAT-XT, and mixdowns >to DAT made via the 2642 sound pristine. The quality of the discrete >preamps is supa-fine, the EQ section is sweet and subtle, and the power >supply is rugged and isolated from the board (and thus your rack should you >choose to rackmount it. Most all of the 1/4" connections are balanced (and >all of the XLR conns are, of course), so you can do some long distance >runaround and not worry about the electric motor in the fog machine makin' >line noise. > >The local deal on it was 550 bones (USD). This sounds like a great deal, and I've never had a problem with Behringer's product. I DO have a problem with their politics. For Behringer, R&D seems to stand for Reverse-engineer and Deviate (just enough so they can't get sued for stealing their desings) The units are prototyped in Germany, and the production cycle is fine tuned. Then, Behringer engineers detool in Germany and tool up at plants in Asia where they can pay SKILLED solders (as your experience would support) and assembly workers a few cents an hour. Before I get on my Kathy Lee soap box, if this is the American way of doing business, count me out. Their products hit great price points. (Their version of the Ramsa 31 band EQ is great, (beautiful soft interface) and is dirt cheap, but I'd rather save myself the bad karma). Just thought that you ought to know. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:34:39 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291F6B8D@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Dear Sean, It seems like your machine is confused. Try resetting it as follows:Warning! This will erase user registers and replace them with the presets. Power the unit on while holding the REGISTER/PRESET and A/B buttons. When the display reads "d" release these buttons. Press the REGISTER/PRESET button once. Turn the REGISTER/PRESET knob to 13, display reads "OC". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button once, display reads "PA". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button again. Turn the REGISTER/PRESET KNOB to 10, display reads "09". Press the REGISTER/PRESET button. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 > ---------- > From: buzzard@world.std.com[SMTP:buzzard@world.std.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 7:36 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Selling stuff over the internet > > [buying used through the mail] > >Never have I had a bad piece of gear. > > Obviously this is anecdotal. Some people > won't get burned and some people will. > > I appear to have gotten burned with my > Vortex. It's possible that this problem > has only recently developed, but I'm quite > sure I'd never bothered trying this before. > > I finally (four months after buying it!) > decided to give its morphing capabilities > a work out--until now I just morphed between > existing patches. (And mostly I didn't > morph at all because I use it as a post-loop > processor.) > > So I was going to morph between a patch > and "itself" (a variant of itself), so I > copied the patch from an A register to > a B register. > > Lo and behold, I have discovered that this > Vortex flakes out on exactly this operation > (goodness knows this doesn't make any sense > as either a hardware problem or a software > problem, as far as I can see). If a patch > is copied from A to B, it comes out entirely > messed up (and non-musical) in B--generally > either extremely muted and in (apparent) mono, > or loud and horribly (digitally?) clipped, > generally in a different way in L & R channels, > or it self-oscillates in some way producing > very loud randomly squiggling unmusical noise. > Sometimes, switching away to another patch and > then back changes the mode of the behavior. > Powering the Vortex down and back up doesn't > make any difference. > > Copying from B to A does not exhibit this problem, > I believe. I'm not sure how exhaustive my > testing was at the time. Hmm, I'm not even > sure I ever copied from one B to another B. > > Anyway, obviously, for Vortex and Jamman > you've got to buy used. Caveat emptor, I > suppose. > > Sean Barrett > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:29:46 -0800 From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com Subject: Re[2]: location Message-ID: <000847EA.----@wj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I Loop in the Santa Cruz area of Californ-eye-a. South of San Francisco. -Miko > Hey Loopers. > > Every once and a while I wonder if I'm near anyone on this list. > Do you think we could all give an email with a location to the list? > Valley Forge, PA. That's about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia, where George Washington and the Continental Army hid from the British not too long ago. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:13:10 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'David Myers' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: What / who is on the forefront of looping music? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain David Myers' observations of Fripp at the Bottom Line brings prompts me to ask a question of all my fellow loopists. I think in the contemporary art world, a great deal of the value conferred to a "piece" is derived from it's "moving forward" or expanding an idea beyond a previous state -- puns, meanings and craftsmanship aside. So, in that context, David Myers' complaints that Fripp's "new" soundscapes aren't all that new, nor are they really "moving forward" the greater looping "oeuvre" are quite valid. Granted, that may not be Fripp's Aim. While I guess confined to a Fripp-y world, Soundscapes, or as they are recently termed, Space Music, probably *are* an expansion of the Frippertronic idea. That said, I think Fripp's concerns while he is playing his loop-based music are more to do with the Process (of improvisation and surprises) and the Setting (breaking up the audience / artist separation), than any concerns with "art." Seems to me that's more Eno's territory. *So, just for giggles, it raises the question, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based music"?* Somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe worth bashing around for a while. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [SMTP:dmgraph@bway.net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 1998 3:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Back in the Saddle Again Cripes, annihilist wouldn't let me in since Dec. 13th; my ISP just figured out how to fix the problem, whatever it was. Anyway, hope no one will mind my playing catchup a bit, posting about some older stuff, etc. What was really curious is that the day I was cut off was when I posted the following: ------------------------------------------ Robert at the Bottom Line Saturday night; saw the early show. I don't think even the people at TC Electronic or Eventide would have been pleased--this is all that can be done with 20 grand worth of gear? I kept wanting to shout, "OK, Bob, now HIT IT!". (Wouldn't have been out of place: LOTS of people were shouting.) It was like he was waiting for the right moment to break loose, but never did and never intended to--or didn't know how. I well realize that when you make a goof in a looping situation you are in deep trouble, but his timidity was appalling; 5 minutes of what we heard would have been impressive, but he more or less just let it limp along for two hours. I love everything Crimson has done, and the "Let The Power Fall"-type Frippertronics are kind of minimalist masterpieces, but listen to what somebody like Paul Dresher did on "Liquid and Stellar Music" many years ago and you begin to see that Fripp really doesn't have much to offer. Nor do I sense that he is even aware of Dresher, Terry Riley, etc.--or perhaps any work outside rock or the rock fringe. It seems that he believes he's doing something unprecedented. What he's doing that IS different is presenting a rather inept sort of ambient music to crowds which are largely unfamiliar with even Eno's "Discreet Music" (which this show was uncannily reminicent of), and pissing them off. I think 90% of this crowd expected "Red", and if I were one of them I'd be screaming, too. But I think this is part of what Robert wants to do: mess with people. He will call it "inviting them to expand their horizons" or some such thing, but it seems to me that it's mostly just self-indulgence. Yeah, the inevitable flashbulb went off--and so did Bob. He returned, but without the promised "Q & A" period afterward. I would have asked, "can we go now?". A technical speculation. Since all Fripp's sounds are synthesized (on this occasion he played two short phrases which just MIGHT have been actual guitar sounds), couldn't one forego the pricy TC audio looping and just feed MIDI info from the guitar into a looping sequencer? Then even more radical sound alterations would of course be possible (not to mention structural gymnastics), though the gee-whiz factor involved with a 6-foot-high rack of gear would be lost.... -------------------------------------------- BTW, I wanted to put in my .02 regarding a desert island looper's list: 1) Paul Dresher "Liquid and Stellar Music" 2) Terry Riley "A Rainbow in Curved Air" or "Descending Moonshine Dervishes" 3) Robert's "Let The Power Fall" or "Evening Star" w/ Eno 4) David Torn "Tripping Over God" (anyone have a copy of "What Means Solid" they'd like to sell?) 5) I agree that Sylvian's "Gone to Earth" is full of great looping-mostly Robert's doing, I think.... Also, I must say that you guys who can tolerate "Door X" must have a screw loose. What the hell was David thinking? Did you ever hear the albums on which even Herbie Hancock decided to sing? Please! -------------------------------------------- More BTW: I just ordered more RAM to max out my Echoplex and discovered an interesting phenomenon. Several of the memory companies asked me, "what is it for?", and in one case I told them. They said, we sell so-and-so for samplers and music equipment--bottom line, the very same 30-pin SIMMs as for a Mac SE30, etc., but a jacked-up price. Reason? I dunno--maybe they've had music people return RAM more often? Anyway, if you get this question concerning 30 pin SIMMs, just tell 'em it's for a Mac Classic or something. A place called Mohawk Memory sold me 4 meg SIMMs for $14 each. -David Myers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Different EBows Message-ID: <980202141326_1107993386@mrin39.mx> I've been hearing rumors about a multiple string e bow for years now, but.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:11:08 -0700 From: "frivolous" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: new Markus Reuter CD Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1840 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- >If you enjoy listening to ambient music in the tradition of Eno, Sylvian,= > >or Fripp, you will love Markus Reuter's first solo CD 'Taster'. (Markus i= >s >one of the few masters and teachers of the 8-string Warr Guitar. He is al= >so >known for his complex compositions and virtuoso playing with the Europa >String Choir.) > >'Taster' contains seven long ambient pieces recorded at a live concert. >Markus played his Warr Guitar, using a guitar synthesizer and two >unsynchronized loop delays for a technique he calls 'orchestral >soundscaping'. = > > >The result is a collection of utterly fascinating atmospheres - >crystal-clear minimalism, vast, slow spaces, completely void of new-age >pathos, but nonetheless extremely evocative and full of this rare thing >that is so difficult to achieve or describe - magic. > >Check out Markus' homepage at > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm > >-Michael Peters > > > I've just received a message from Markus about this, and I'm certainly looking forward to hearing it. I had the pleasure of meeting Markus at one of the "projeKCt one" concerts at the Jazz Cafe (Camden Town, London) last December, and he was carrying his Warr with him then... Funny you should mention Fripp: Amazing Sounds sent me this: "On February 19, the live multimedia concert Explorations in Space" will be held at the Langford Auditorium at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, USA. The headliner for the evening will be Robert Fripp and his Frippertronics." See you around (in a loop)... frivolous frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com --------------------------------