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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 6

Today's Topics:
  Re: CD recorders                      [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]
  Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders        [ Adam Levin <alevin@ari.net> ]
  Re: CD recorders / Kim                [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Gig listings on the web               [ pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) ]
  Re: Gig listings on the
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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 6


Today's Topics:

  Re: CD recorders                      [ Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net> ]

  Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders        [ Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net> ]

  Re: CD recorders / Kim                [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]

  Gig listings on the web               [ pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) ]

  Re: Gig listings on the web           [ Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com> ]

  Re: CD recorders                      [ Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com> ]

  Monsters of Grace                     [ Joe Cavaleri <<cavaleri@simi-valley. ]

  Re: CD recorders...MD too??           [ andre <<andre@monmouth.com> ]

  Loopy, loopy, loopy                   [ ZOM <<zom@txdirect.net> ]

  Re: Echoplex For sale                 [ "Eric R. Fischer" <<efisch@artnet.ne ]

  Re: Loopy, loopy, loopy               [ CORROSIVE@aol.com ]

  Re: Re: Loopy, loopy, loopy           [ Fmplautus <<Fmplautus@aol.com> ]

  RE: CD recorders...MD too??           [ Michael Peters <<MPeters@compuserve. ]

  Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground      [ Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@wayneswo ]

  Re: Help Vortex Knob                  [ Todd Pafford <<todd@galen.dyn.ml.org ]

  Re: CD recorders...MD too??           [ "T.W. Hartnett" <<hartnett.t@apple.c ]

  Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground      [ Joe Miklojcik <<jfm3@acm.org> ]

  Re: CD recorders...MD too??           [ Jonathan Brainin <<jbrainin@interact ]

  New Echoplex Pro owner                [ "Thomas W. Roady" <<tomroady@telalin ]

  Re: CD recorders...MD too??           [ Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net> ]

  Re: CD recorders                      [ Jason Secord <<innerspace@mediaone.c ]

  Data compression, twitch factors, kn  [ Fmplautus <<Fmplautus@aol.com> ]

  Re: CD recorders...MD too??           [ Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@wayneswo ]


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:01:42 -0500 (EST)

From: Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders

Message-ID: <<Pine.SGI.3.95.980114105247.25452A-100000@ari.ari.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kim Flint wrote:


> uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box

> records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio

> I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new,

> same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now

> and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you

> feel happy.

> 

> For me, as someone beginning to contemplate a serious home studio, I had

> been wondering when abouts I should seriously consider getting a DAT deck

> for master mix downs, live recordings, etc. I would much rather get

> something that can go directly to CD. With that I can easily listen to it in

> the car, in the boom box at the park, in the stereo, at a friend's house,

> etc, none of which I can do with DAT or hard disk. I can store it in a

> shoebox in the garage and not worry about tape oxidation. I can pop it in

> the computer and pull up the data directly and easily. Why would I ever

> consider DAT now? 


As someone who just bought a CD-RW drive, I'll tell you why. With a DAT,

if you screw up, you can just hit rewind and start again with minimum

fuss. Or if you want to pause for a few seconds (or days) and then

continue recording where you left off, you can. With CD-RW, you only get

one pass through. If you screw up, you have to perform an erase on the

media and start all over again. There's no hitting a pause button while

you switch guitars or your drummer leaves his throne to visit the ...um...

throne.


The way I see it, DAT is the tool for initially capturing the material. 

The CD-RW is the tool for putting it on the CD when you are relatively

happy with your results. 


-Adam


---

       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,

       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 

                           becomes a Hearer."

                           - Chandrakirti


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:05:57 -0500 (EST)

From: Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: simm upgrade/ CD recorders

Message-ID: <<Pine.SGI.3.95.980114110227.25452B-100000@ari.ari.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Stephen P. Goodman wrote:


> What does anyone have against 'regular old' CDR?  :)  It would

> seem that the media cost (or costs incurred by the media, like perhaps

> speed/capacity) is still the issue.


My drive does both CDR and CDRW. I'm using the CDRW disc that came with

the drive to do test pressings before I commit them to the CDR discs. 

Because of the reusable nature of the CDRW disc, If I didn't have it, by

now I would have wasted 3-4 CDRs getting things just right. 


-Adam


---

       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,

       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 

                           becomes a Hearer."

                           - Chandrakirti


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:45 -0300

From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders / Kim

Message-Id: <<v03007801b0e1f11ef25b@[200.223.91.25]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


>uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box

>records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio

>I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new,

>same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now

>and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you

>feel happy.


Thats a good point, I admit.


>... Why would I ever consider DAT now?


I agree completetly with all those points exept that I love the portability

of a tiny DAT. And it encurages me to give the work a clean up before I can

listen to it on CD.


OH, I just realize that I am talking to Kim - how are you once again?

Can you guys imagine that we exchanged 1400 serious and sometimes long

mails to keep the thing going? 5MB of text and a lot of code and list and

reports. The back bone of Aurisis. With me on the lower end :-)

And once a year we talk on the phone.


Kim is great.

Matthias


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:35:11

From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley)

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Gig listings on the web

Message-ID: <<1976@mainstring.win.net>


Hi Loopers,


As was discussed here several months back, the Music-Cal musical events

calendar system  http://concerts.calendar.com   has indeed added a

"looping" category to their system. What that means is that when

loop-based gigs are posted there, anyone interested in finding out who's

playing where and when can search system-wide by "category" and see all

the loop gigs everywhere.


It's also possible to post things there that are not your own gigs, i.e.

if you know of an upcoming appearance by one of the more known artists

that is not already posted there, you can do the favor of posting it, as

long as you're sure your data is correct.


This service is free to all and it's excellent. Go take a look if you

haven't already. The more this system is used, the better it will become.


Kim, you can now set up a page on the LD site with an HTML fragment that

will execute an automatic search and let visitors to LD check all the

loop gigs without even knowing that they are using the Musi-Cal system!


loop on,


PK


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:35:43 -0800

From: Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Gig listings on the web

Message-Id: <<v03102800b0e2b4f571aa@[207.171.198.43]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


>Kim, you can now set up a page on the LD site with an HTML fragment that

>will execute an automatic search and let visitors to LD check all the

>loop gigs without even knowing that they are using the Musi-Cal system!


hey Pat, I do have a page like that on the web site! It's been there for a

while:


http://www.annihilist.com/loop/gigs/performances.html


I encourage you all to use it, it's a nice resource!


kim


______________________________________________________________________

Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight

kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html

http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:58 -0800

From: Kim Flint <<kflint@annihilist.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders

Message-Id: <<v03102801b0e2b64fc27b@[207.171.198.55]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


At 11:01 AM -0500 1/14/98, Adam Levin wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kim Flint wrote:

>

>> uh, did you guys somehow miss the point that this particular Philips box

>> records directly to both CD-R and CD-RW? With both digital and analog audio

>> I/O? And only costs $600? CD-RW media is expensive now because it is new,

>> same as CD-R disks were three years ago. So you could use the cheap CD-R now

>> and switch over whenever the price and extra convenience of CD-RW makes you

>> feel happy.

>>

>> For me, as someone beginning to contemplate a serious home studio, I had

>> been wondering when abouts I should seriously consider getting a DAT deck

>> for master mix downs, live recordings, etc. I would much rather get

>> something that can go directly to CD. With that I can easily listen to it in

>> the car, in the boom box at the park, in the stereo, at a friend's house,

>> etc, none of which I can do with DAT or hard disk. I can store it in a

>> shoebox in the garage and not worry about tape oxidation. I can pop it in

>> the computer and pull up the data directly and easily. Why would I ever

>> consider DAT now?

>

>As someone who just bought a CD-RW drive, I'll tell you why. With a DAT,

>if you screw up, you can just hit rewind and start again with minimum

>fuss. Or if you want to pause for a few seconds (or days) and then

>continue recording where you left off, you can. With CD-RW, you only get

>one pass through. If you screw up, you have to perform an erase on the

>media and start all over again. There's no hitting a pause button while

>you switch guitars or your drummer leaves his throne to visit the ...um...

>throne.


Ah, I didn't realize that CD-RW works that way too, like CD-R I guess. Well

that sucks! Oh well, I guess I'm back to where I was before, wondering if I

need a DAT machine now.....


kim


______________________________________________________________________

Kim Flint                   | Looper's Delight

kflint@annihilist.com       | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html

http://www.annihilist.com/  | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:00:10 -0800

From: Joe Cavaleri <<cavaleri@simi-valley.ate.slb.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Monsters of Grace

Message-Id: <<3.0.32.19980114095914.006b28cc@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


		Hi all,



	Philip Glass and Robert Wilson will be preforming "Monsters of Grace" at

UCLA's Royce Hall.		


	Dates:  April 15 - 26

	

	Price: $35


	Info:  (310) 825-2101



		Listed as ....


	Three demsional animated images combine with live amplified music and a

quartet of voices to create a breathtaking sensual experience.



		


				See you there...


					joe


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:26:03 -0500 (EST)

From: andre <<andre@monmouth.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too??

Message-Id: <<199801142226.RAA19374@shell.monmouth.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


any thoughts on MD and where it's headed??

here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em...


i recently got a MD , a sony mz1 walkman recording MD (minidisc) - it's a

technology that died a few yrs back, but sony and i think, phillips has

tried to keep it alive... anyway - i'm totally blown away by how good it

sounds - even just recording a band rehearsal in basement - great, quiet

sound. and very convenient - it's kind of a happy medium betw. DAT and CD

burners:


-same time limit 74 minutes

-same technology, more or less, same durability, maybe more, you can hardly

scratch these MD discs, they are housed in a plastic case, like a 3.5"

computer disc...

- iknow, ikno, someone will say the dynamic range is smaller, sample rate

etc - but 'i'll tell ya - most of us are deaf, (kidding) but really, i A/B'd

some stuff recorded from a CD, and .... couldn't tell.


- you can pause , stop, etc just like a tape.

- you can, within seconds, delete a poor take or wasted time betw. songs,

etc, thus releasing the disc space for usage..

- most MD players will let you display song/disc title, set track points

wherever you want (great for a live/gig tape or a rehearsal - i can jump to

the 7th tune we worked on in 1 second...


so - check out this option folks - there are new home models coming out

regularly, the blank 74" discs cost me 6.49 on the low side, 9.99 on the high.


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:48:07 -0600

From: ZOM <<zom@txdirect.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Loopy, loopy, loopy

Message-Id: <<3.0.1.32.19980114194807.006a12bc@txdirect.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Are there any loopers on the list from the Texas area like me? Curious. I'm

looking for some looopers who might want to play a show in San Antonio with

me...It would be a small gig, underappreciated, to be sure, but a lot of

fun and would make for an interesting evening meeting some of you. 


my private addy--

zom@txdirect.net


Also, got more Real Audio versions of some loopage at my site, URL below.....

send me YOUR URLS and we can trade links!

Real Audio Zombie Project Music! Paisley Babylon, more coming....

http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:30:41 -0700

From: "Eric R. Fischer" <<efisch@artnet.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Echoplex For sale

Message-ID: <<34BD66C2.266B@artnet.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Thanks for all the interest folks, I sold it first thing this mornin.



Eric R. Fischer wrote:

> 

> I am selling my Echoplex and footswitch. It has 50 sec of memory, a

> brand new curcuit board from Oberheim, 5.0 software, and the gain

> increase mod on the LD web page. I have all boxes and manuals - $650.00,

> buyer pays shipping.

> 

> Eric R. Fischer

> (213)664-5632


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:03:07 -0500 (EST)

From: CORROSIVE@aol.com

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  Loopy, loopy, loopy

Message-ID: <<980115000307_989605908@mrin53>


hey!!@ any loopers in the Portland, OR area interested in starting a

downtempo triphoppy gtr loop & analog synth project? email

me>>corrosive@aol.com     thanks


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:19:23 EST

From: Fmplautus <<Fmplautus@aol.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re:  Re:  Loopy, loopy, loopy

Message-ID: <<78426705.34bdaa6d@aol.com>

Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit


Hi Corrosive:


The LoOpDoctOrs would be interested in playing in Portland.  Let us know what

you're up to.


Best,

The LoOpDoctOrs


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:12:16 -0500

From: Michael Peters <<MPeters@compuserve.com>

To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>

Subject: RE: CD recorders...MD too??

Message-ID: <<199801150212_MC2-2F60-51A7@compuserve.com>

Content-Type: text/plain

Content-Disposition: inline


>i recently got a MD , a sony mz1 walkman recording MD (minidisc) - it's a

>technology that died a few yrs back, but sony and i think, phillips has

>tried to keep it alive... anyway - i'm totally blown away by how good it

>sounds - even just recording a band rehearsal in basement - great, quiet

>sound. and very convenient - it's kind of a happy medium betw. DAT and CD

>burners


I heard that many people eventually encounter problems with MD which are

related to dust which gets into the machine and especially into the media.

(And apparently there is no MD cleaning disk available yet.)


___________

Michael Peters   

        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters

HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want"

        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:03:47 -0800 (PST)

From: Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground

Message-Id: <<199801142303.PAA08995@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


> Thunder is actually designed to be played with two hands, but there is

> nothing really to preclude you from using just one. Or three, or your toes,

> or perhaps as a musical serving platter for unexpected dinner guests. 

> 

> kim


I probably got that "one-hand" impression from Emil "Dr.T" Tobenfield

when he was describing his use of the Thunder under one hand, a MIDI fader

box under another, and various foot pedals to play electronic music.


Cheers,


Paolo Valladolid

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:01:46 -0500 (EST)

From: Todd Pafford <<todd@galen.dyn.ml.org>

To: Jesús Cuevas-Cardona <<jcuevasc@mail.giga.com.mx>

cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Help Vortex Knob

Message-ID: <<Pine.LNX.3.95.980115015608.297A-100000@galen.dyn.ml.org>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, [iso-8859-1] Jes™s Cuevas-Cardona wrote:


> Hi everybody!

> 

> I bought a Vortex in in a retail price. Its a wonderful machine but the

> right knob (preset selection) only works for presets 1 to 4. The

> anothers  presets I only can acces with a footswitch. Anybody knows what

> can I do to:

...

> 

> Jesus Cuevas Cardona

> 

> 


Hi, sounds like the exact problem I had a short while ago.  I contacted

Greg Hogan from Lexicon (he's on the list) he got me the info on repairing

the unit. It turned out to be a faulty part.  Lexicon fixed it right up

for me free of charge (my unit was still under warranty). 


While I'm at it, thanks a bunch for your help Greg.  Lexicon really knows

how to treat it's customers. :)


---

"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear

 to man as it is, infinite."  -- William Blake


Todd Pafford   galen@erols.com 


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 17:38:59 -0000

From: "T.W. Hartnett" <<hartnett.t@apple.com>

To: "Looper's Delight" <<Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>

Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too??

Message-Id: <<199801142338.PAA08902@scv4.apple.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"


>

>any thoughts on MD and where it's headed??

>here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em...


I've got the Tascam MD 4-track and the Sony 2-track home unit, and I like 

them both.  The Sony is great for recording gigs and practices (also has 

a mono mode which doubles the recording time to 144minutes--great for 

archiving rehearsal jams, since you can later edit out all the bad bits 

and insert markers).


Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence 

of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening 

to the spec sheet instead of with their ears.  


For the money, I'd say they can't be beat.


Travis Hartnett


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:58:56 -0500

From: Joe Miklojcik <<jfm3@acm.org>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: Elliot Sharp - Figure Ground

Message-ID: <<34BE2430.83052FF0@acm.org>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Interesting that it would come up on this list.  The Buchla Thunder is capable

of "algorithmic looping" or "MIDI looping" with a fair degree of complexity.  (I

own one.)  This is a much different animal than playing into a delay.  Is this

an apropriate forum for that synth-o-centric kind of stuff?


Kim Flint wrote:


> At 04:53 PM 1/13/98 -0800, Paolo Valladolid wrote:

>

> >Sharp uses just about all the instruments with which he has been associated:

> >guitars, some of which are self-designed; saxophones, computers, samplers,

> >synths, probably the Buchla Thunder (a MIDI controller designed to be played

> >by one hand), other self-designed instrments, etc.

>

> Thunder is actually designed to be played with two hands, but there is

> nothing really to preclude you from using just one. Or three, or your toes,

> or perhaps as a musical serving platter for unexpected dinner guests.

>

> kim

> _______________________________________________________

> Kim Flint                       408-752-9284

> Mpact Systems Engineering       kflint@chromatic.com

> Chromatic Research              http://www.chromatic.com


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:51:43 -0500

From: Jonathan Brainin <<jbrainin@interactive.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too??

Message-Id: <<1.5.4.32.19980115155143.006746cc@interactive.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


At 05:38 PM 1/14/98 -0000, you wrote:

>>

>>any thoughts on MD and where it's headed??

>>here are a few of mine...humble as i can make 'em...

>Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence 

>of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening 

>to the spec sheet instead of with their ears.  


Well, actually, the sound of a MD is compromised in relation to a CD

DAT or reel to reel.  However, in the real world, it's a irrelevancy.

The sound of a MD at its worst is significantly better than the analog

cassette.   Given the choice of a 4 track cassette studio or a 4 track

MD studio, I'd grab the MD with no hesitation.  

Jonathan Brainin	

jbrainin@interactive.net


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:00:31 -0500

From: "Thomas W. Roady" <<tomroady@telalink.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: New Echoplex Pro owner

Message-ID: <<34BE329E.6FC1@telalink.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Hi,

	My name is Tom Roady. I am a studio percussionist in Nashville Tn. 

I just picked up an Echoplex Pro at Gibson here yesterday. Tom Spalding

at Oberheim hipped me to your page. He had nothing but praise for your

webbsite. He said I should definitely check it out and here I am.

	I play drums and percussion with Chet Atkins also and I am the

Clinician for the ZENDRUM Corp. I have been using a JAMMAN for 2 years

to do clinics and live solo Zendrum gigs. I am very anxious to get into

the Echoplex. Looking forward to hearing back. Tom Roady


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:08:08 -0500 (EST)

From: Adam Levin <<alevin@ari.net>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too??

Message-ID: <<Pine.SGI.3.95.980115120521.12900H-100000@ari.ari.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jonathan Brainin wrote:


> Well, actually, the sound of a MD is compromised in relation to a CD

> DAT or reel to reel.  However, in the real world, it's a irrelevancy.

> The sound of a MD at its worst is significantly better than the analog

> cassette.   


Yep, I own the Sony MDM-X4 multitracker and it's one hell of a step up

from my old Tascam cassette multi-tracker. No analog tape hiss!


-Adam


---

       "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue,

       out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one 

                           becomes a Hearer."

                           - Chandrakirti


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:05:34 -0500

From: Jason Secord <<innerspace@mediaone.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders

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Kim Flint wrote: 

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Ah, I didn't realize that CD-RW works that way too, like CD-R I guess. Well 

that sucks! Oh well, I guess I'm back to where I was before, wondering if I 

need a DAT machine now.....


kim

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     the whole subject seems to beg the question, "is all this thought going to kill me before I get the chance to recieve my first royalty check or what?".  The whole subject of CD-R and CD-RW can't be answered very easily today with DVD and god knows what other interesting phenomena lurking around the "consumer-corner".  A friend of mine just got hold of a pretty interesting piece, a <italic>consumer-grade</italic> Cd doooper (that only allows single copies to be made)... its got a digital i/o and all, but for $1000.00 what's the point...  On a brighter note, I have heard good rumors concerning (of all things) an OLYMPUS CD-RW (<italic>if</italic> I heard'em right) that wholesales at about 500 bones.   That's probably old information to all of you, but a guy's got to contribute to the cause, ya know?


     rock on.......... 

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:40:18 EST

From: Fmplautus <<Fmplautus@aol.com>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God

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<<<<Many people seem to have developed a knee-jerk reaction to the presence 

of data compression, but I think that a lot of that is people listening 

to the spec sheet instead of with their ears.  

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The LoOpDoctOrs don't agree...we listen with our ears and we hear that hard

disc recording kills what we can afford for analogue and we love the freedom

allowed by our computer.  


However, we find it alarming that manufacturers will play God with recorded

human history.  And we have been around recording long enough to remember

"perfect sound forever," the initial hype when Phillips/Sony introduced

digital.  It turned out to be far from perfect and the forever part only

applies to the painful aural butchery that that was made immortal in early

digital recordings.


In short, we trust our ears and nobody's spec sheets.  And we are HIGHLY

suspicious of faux scientific explanations as to why we should accept "less"

as "more."  That includes marketing/compression schemes.  Bang for the buck is

one thing, but don't tell our ears they're related to jerky knees.   The

"twitch factor" for marketing types with profit line incentives is much higher

then the 

"knee jerk" factor in musicians.


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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:15:16 -0800 (PST)

From: Paolo Valladolid <<pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu>

To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com

Subject: Re: CD recorders...MD too??

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A friend of mine got an MD player so that he could play the bootleg recordings

he got from Japan.  Apparently using MD recorders for bootlegging is now

a common practice over there.


Cheers,


Paolo Valladolid

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