------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: Re: Hello... Hello! [ erich kory ] Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! [ erich kory ] JamMan For Sale!!!! [ JFOG10 ] Re: Data compression, twitch factors [ "T.W. Hartnett" ------------------------------ Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: Re: Hello... Hello! [ erich kory < ] Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! [ erich kory < ] JamMan For Sale!!!! [ JFOG10 < ] Re: Data compression, twitch factors [ "T.W. Hartnett" < ] Re: Looping with sequencers.. [ "T.W. Hartnett" < ] Re: Looping with sequencers.. [ "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." < ] Re: [ Floyd Miller < ] Re: Looping with sequencers.. [ mark sottilaro < ] Re: Looping with sequencers.. [ William Moyer < ] Re: Roland Paraphonic 505 in need of [ breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) ] Re: Echoplex functions ? [ Kim Flint < ] Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade [ david friday < ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:41:05 GMT From: erich kory < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello... Hello! Message-Id: <<199801162241.WAA16269@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey there Corynne, My history is about the same except i play the cello and have been very successful at touring here and in Europe with solo concerts using looping as a base for alot of my compositions-improvizations..... If you like check out my site at http://kspace.com/kory i just saw an echoplex for sale yesterday on this chat-email line. if you have trouble to find it ,let me know. good luck and have fun! erich@interlinx.qc.ca >> >> Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week and >have been listening to some the conversation back and forth. Now that I >have some time, I wanted to write and just say "hi". I've been involved >with looping for at least seven years now and am glad to have been made >aware of this list. I think it can be a wonderful resource... >> My first introduction to loops was from hearing Brian Eno and Robert >Fripp with Frippertronics. I'd beeen working with delays before that >point, however, they were not long enough to do any substancial loops in my >opinion. I unfortunately didn't have the money or the sources to find a >couple of tape machines I could use so, I was still out in the cold... I >then heard about the electro-harmonix peddal that had 16 seconds of >sampling time and was reversable. From that point on, I was on a quest to >find a peddal which was afordable and could achieve what I needed. What I >found was the PDS8000 from digitech which worked quite nicely for a while >but did not have the frequency response I was looking for. I then moved up >to the RDS8000 which is the rack-mounted version of the same. It actually >has a few more features than the peddal... Oh, by the way, for those who >aren't familiar with those two things, they had a sampling time of eight >seconds. I then heard about the Jam-Man and got one immediately when they >came out and proceded immediately also to upgrade it fully. I've used the >Lexicon ever since and I love it! I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim >Echo-plex digital pro. >> Anyway, enough about the gear... I am currently living in Boulder >Colorado and don't find to many people here who know much about, or do much >with looping. I work in a music store and currently teach guitar there >also so if there's any place to meet musicians here, I'm there... If >there's anyone in my area, please don't hesitate to write me. I like lots >of different types of music so I'm open to just about anything... >> Thanks again for the existance of this list, as loopers seem sparce to >me where ever I am in the country. It's nice to hear that there is some >sort of meeting place for us. I look forward to more interesting e-mail... >> >>smiles, >> >>Corynne >> >>P.S. Are there any other women on this list? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:55:05 GMT From: erich kory < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello... Hello!...hello!! Message-Id: <<199801162255.WAA16919@phyleus.interlinx.qc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain now that i see that everyone gets these messages........ i will introduce myself. i play electric cello and have been an addict of many things, the only remaining being looping. Started about 12 years ago with the digitech double footpedals and now with a combination of jamman and echoplex. Hooked up with Moszé Loredo- bass and sampling freak (made demo for the Akai samplers) and we're having some hot times up here in cold Quebec! Love to hook up with any recording projects that might need a little spice. i've been doing session work for many years and can play with just about anything. luv to all you crazy Loopers erich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:33:28 EST From: JFOG10 < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan For Sale!!!! Message-ID: <<45281c50.34c07aea@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well....I debated whether or not to post this here, as I don't want to fill this list with commercial crap.....but I figured you folks would want to know about this....if this offends....I apologize...and understand Well....it's time for me to move on...I like my Jamman and everything, but am saving for an echoplex......so.....THIS is the one you've been looking for!!!! Full 32 second memory loaded Jamman with pedal, adaptor and manual, near perfect condition ( may have a TINY scratch when I take it out of rack)....hardly used..... Best Offer over $300(plus shipping from Philadelphia) Thanks!!!!! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 11:03:01 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" < To: "Looper's Delight" < Subject: Re: Data compression, twitch factors, knee jerks and God Message-Id: <<199801161702.JAA07292@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>All compression, analog or digital, represents a loss of information. >>All professional recordings are compressed in several ways before the >>final product reaches the consumer. Despite this, music still finds its >>way into the world. > >I don't actually care very much about this particular debate, but this >sounded a little confused. I suspect you're not actually confused, but >anyway: > >The kind of compression appearing in all those professional recordings is >dynamic compression, normally inflicted by a box called a compressor. >Usually rather useful. You're right in that I'm not confused about the differences between computer-file type compression, lossy or otherwise, and analog compression, but I do mean that there is a loss of information either way. When you use an audio compressor, such as a dbx unit, you're discarding the dynamic information in the original signal to even out the overall level. This is neither good nor bad, just desirable or undesirable depending on the situation. You gain smoothness while losing touch dynamics. Anyone who's recorded a singer, particularly a singer with poor mic technique has discovered that compression can be used to get rid of annoying level jumps as the singer's mouth moves closer or further from the mic. Likewise, many a drummer has found the dynamics of their playing obliderated by zealous compression and gating of the kit in order to give a punchier, constant drum sound. I also agree that the MD discussion is taking on the "digital vs. analog" overtones, but I also don't want to see a very useful technology maligned unnecessarily. Most of the technology I use in looping is 8-10 years old. I'm talking eight and twelve-bit sampling delays, eighties-era preamps, sequencing software that runs on a Mac Plus, etc. I get plenty of work done with the old stuff, even with its sonic and design limitations, and sometimes because of those limitations, so to see someone dismiss MD with "Lossy compression? I'll have none of it!" disturbs me. I found an old issue of Musician the other day, and there was an article about the advantages and disadvantages of mixing and mastering to DAT. Actually, it was more about how DAT was a completely unprofessional format which produced results which pained the engineers to discuss. How times change. Even though there is a movement back to (and some people never left) mixing to two-track analog, DAT is accepted as a professional option for mixdown. Now, I'm not saying that MD is a professional mixing option, but it's quite definitely a valid tool for home recording, despite the compression scheme. Peace, love, and lots of feedback, Travis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:22:19 +0100 From: Leonardo Cavallo < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Message-ID: <<19980117102218921.AAA182@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Another example, I downloaded the Rebirth demo a while back, which is >basically a simulation of 2 TB-303's and a TR-808, with some filtering, >distortion, and delay effects. It has the same basic, stupid kind of >sequencing that those boxes had in their day. And it's great for real-time >looping stuff. (assuming you like the very well-worn sounds that it makes.) >You just start it up and begin adding things to the sequence, taking them >out again, playing with the filters, changing levels, etc. Pretty fun. > >kim HI Kim Try Seq 303 (if you have a PC) for more filters and infinite sounds. I discovered the prog last night and it's a killer. E-mail privately if you're interested. ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 10:32:44 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" < To: "Looper's Delight" < Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Message-Id: <<199801161632.IAA08526@scv3.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where >the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > >I just hit record (like kicking on one of my delays) on a roland msq100 or >700, play a live, usually spontaneous idea till i want..(end of loop) - >then i hit stop and play, then let the material loop once or >indefinitely.... > >is it looping??? i'd like to hear some thoughts on that, some >opinions...maybe i've missed it, but haven't heard of anyone using this >tool, sequencers have a bad name due to madonna and certain rush songs on >stage, etc I started doing this recently, that is, using a sequencer for looping. It's a good way to build up drum tracks, particularly if you're not a drummer. You're limited as to the number of notes you can have present (well, I guess you always are), since you have to have enough voices on your sound module to play back all your midi loopage, so things might not get as dense as with a delay recording the actual audio, but the advantages of being to sync, edit, and store the loops definitely makes it worthwhile. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:02:24 -0300 From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" what does " " mean? Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:12:35 -0500 From: Jeff Duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <<34C09223.8F1A6643@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is an escape for "" in html isn't it? Matthias Grob wrote: > what does " " mean? > Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:48:45 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Message-Id: <<3.0.1.16.19980117124845.0e975676@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering where >>the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. I used to use the looping sorta feature on my Roland MC50 (mk1) - hit record, play a few notes, then hit a few buttons together and it loops. Can't layer (that I can recall). Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:50:57 From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland ME30 Message-Id: <<3.0.1.16.19980117125057.0e97c970@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know this has been discussed a while ago, but a quick sift through the archives has proven fruitless - did anybody actually try using the Phrase Sample feature on the Boss ME30? I see that they're actually using the word "loop" in their webpage... Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:34:16 -0500 From: Jeff Duke < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MicroSynth Message-ID: <<34C09738.97AF3FA2@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen brother,thats the one I'm waiting for,I had one once,but it died!For all it's limitations it's the Holy Grail of delay's.J.D. CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > Tom-what's the other EH unit scheduled for re-issue? the 16 sec delay?? > when?!! gimme!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:19:02 -0500 From: Floyd Miller < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Message-id: <<3.0.5.32.19980117081902.007ba1f0@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At 06:12 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: > is an escape for "" in html isn't it? > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> what does " " mean? >> Does the guy type that in or is it some code incompatibility thing? > > Nope. It is a non-breaking space. If not used properly, the can come through uninterpretted. Quite often HTML escape codes need to be terminated with a semi-colon. For example, Hello would appear just like that. It should be coded as Hello. " is the " character. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:59:32 -0500 From: mark sottilaro < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Message-ID: <<34C0B943.9E0FB05@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > >>does anyone use a sequencer for looping???? I do, and i'm wondering > where > >>the line is, i mean, most of our delays are digital, too...hmmmm. > Yes I use a sequencer (the on board sequencer on my Ensonic TS-10 keyboard) a lot for determining the length of my loops. The Lexicon JamMan (and I'm sure others) will use the midi clock to determine the end of the loop once you've manually started it. Aside from a few quirks, it works really well. Due to a small "popping" problem that happens at the start/end of the loop due to midi jitter, I'm reconfiguring my rig so that my synth recieves sync from my JamMan after I start a loop. I've done this before and it works well, but you need to be aware of the tempo and loop length if you don't want some crazy tempo surprises. -- -- Mark @ ř??? IAMNOTHERE c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:28:03 EST From: PMimlitsch < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan For Sale!!!! Message-ID: <<64465949.34c0ea25@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/98 4:37:41 AM, you wrote: <<<> DAMN!!! (or "Gosh Darn" for the PG crowd). Just picked up another one a couple weeks ago- mint condition/good price but no 32 sec upgrade. I'll spread the word but I would guess that by the time you read this you would have already had it sold-hot item. BTW- How's it going? - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:43:31 -0700 From: William Moyer < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencers.. Message-ID: <<34C109E3.7849@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't have a Roland MC50 seq., but if its any thing like my computer seq., setting the track length before hand, and using an overdub rather than replace mode should work, particularly if it already has something to fucntion as a click, if you care. ciao, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:07:59 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Roland Paraphonic 505 in need of love... please re: Message-ID: <<34C12BBF.E0B3B87E@mediaone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------14574A915A07D216B4E303AC" hello everybody, what's happenin'... I'm a relatively new addition to the loop-grooop and I'm in need of a synth-oriented individual to assist me in my synth education. Let me tell-ya about my stress: A couple of years ago my brother gave me an analogue synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday. I thought that was pretty cool of him. I haven't stopped playing it since. I think this thing was built in '72, which is four years before I even came into existence... so, somewhere along the line I got a girlfriend..... I thought she was pretty cool too, until she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I guess??) on that same very keyboard I loved so much.... now, I've still got the keyboard, got rid of the girlfriend, but things still don't feel the same... My hope is that I will have the good fortune of becoming acquainted with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my blind and stumbling 21 year old body through the mind bending world of synth repair and maintenance... The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't bother everyone with the complete stress. However, if anyone is familiar with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs stop making noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily handled dosages of synth-stress... help... innerspace@mediaone.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:09:40 +0100 From: Le Quan Ninh < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex functions ? Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I must confess that I have no experience in using loopers... My questions are : Is the Echoplex allowing to record different loops separately which can be triggered, stopped and retriggered separately ? If not, are there other available machines more powerful in this special function ? Thanks in advance ! Ninh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:37:14 +0200 From: breakz@hom.net (David Ferguson) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland Paraphonic 505 in need of love... please re: Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" analogue@hyperreal.org Email these folks, they can help! Daniel >hello everybody, > what's happenin'... > I'm a relatively new addition to the loop-grooop and I'm in need >of a synth-oriented individual to assist me in my synth education. Let >me tell-ya about my stress: > > A couple of years ago my brother gave me an analogue >synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday. I thought that was pretty >cool of him. I haven't stopped playing it since. I think this thing >was built in '72, which is four years before I even came into >existence... > so, > > somewhere along the line I got a girlfriend..... I thought she >was pretty cool too, until she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I >guess??) on that same very keyboard I loved so much.... > > now, > > I've still got the keyboard, got rid of the girlfriend, but >things still don't feel the same... > > My hope is that I will have the good fortune of becoming acquainted >with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my blind and stumbling 21 >year old body through the mind bending world of synth repair and >maintenance... > >The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't >bother everyone with the complete stress. However, if anyone is >familiar with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs >stop making noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily >handled dosages of synth-stress... > >help... > >innerspace@mediaone.net > > >hello everybody, > what's happenin'... > I'm a relatively new addition >to the loop-grooop and I'm in need of a synth-oriented individual >to assist me in my synth education. Let me tell-ya about my stress: > > A couple of years ago my >brother gave me an analogue synth(Roland Paraphonic 505) for my birthday. >I thought that was pretty cool of him. I haven't stopped playing >it since. I think this thing was built in '72, which is four years >before I even came into existence... > >; >so, > > somewhere along the line >I got a girlfriend..... I thought she was pretty cool too, until >she dumped (of all things) jack and coke (I guess??) on that same very >keyboard I loved so much.... > > > >now, > > I've still got the keyboard, >got rid of the girlfriend, but things still don't feel the same... > > My hope is that I will have the good fortune >of becoming acquainted with a "kindred soul" who will happily guide my >blind and stumbling 21 year old body through the mind bending world of >synth repair and maintenance... > > The list of actual "minor" problems is somewhat staggerring, so I won't >bother everyone with the complete stress. However, if anyone is familiar >with this synth and how to make keys stop sticking and knobs stop making >noise e-mail me and I'll be glad to hand out small easily handled dosages >of synth-stress... > > help... > > >innerspace@mediaone.net > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:36:06 -0800 From: Kim Flint < To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex functions ? Message-Id: < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:09 AM +0100 1/18/98, Le Quan Ninh wrote: >Hi, > >I must confess that I have no experience in using loopers... My questions >are : > > >Is the Echoplex allowing to record different loops separately which can be >triggered, stopped and retriggered separately ? yes, the Echoplex can have nine separate loops in memory, which can all be triggered, retriggered etc. like with a sampler. When triggering with midi you have velocity sensitivity and several different types of triggering options. There are also copy, control, and sync options for multiple loops that are very useful for performing with them. It is effectively monophonic, so only one loop plays at a time. Unlike a typical sampler though, the functions like overdub, multiply, and copy let you add things to the loop in real time in such a way that you get a sort of limited polyphonic effect. On most samplers, overdubbing in real-time is either not available or very difficult, which is why looping devices like jamman, echoplex, boomerang, etc are very popular for performance applications. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:10:29 -0500 From: david friday < To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" < Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Message-ID: <<34C21B63.F965F88E@umich.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7099D0D9198B8A4E2C435A06" dmgraph wrote: > Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? > Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that > they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment > I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. > Kim? Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for david friday Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Attachment converted: shards o' data:vcard.vcf 1 (TEXT/R*ch) (00000BA4) --------------------------------